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Old 04-25-2008, 10:37 AM
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my RPM's high??

96 5 sp- So heres the deal about a week ago i had a rough idle due to a bank 3 misfireso i replaced the knock sensor (that sucked!), pvc valve, simply cleaned the spark plugs, sprayed down the maf with cnc and replaced the serpentine belt i recently noticed my rpms seem high? is 80 at about 3500 normal? btw My cel light is still on, but no rough idle and it seems to drive fine.

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So heres the deal about a week ago i had a rough idle due to a 3 bank misfireso i replaced the knock sensor (that sucked!), pvc valve, simply cleaned the spark plugs, sprayed down the maf with cnc and replaced the serpentine belt i recently noticed my rpms seem high? is 80 at about 3500 normal? btw My cel light is still on, but no rough idle and it seems to drive fine.
Yes, 80 at ~3300 is normal. Replacing engine parts is not going to change your gearing.
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Umm, at 80 my tach reads just a bit over 2500.
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Originally Posted by MorpheusZero
Yes, 80 at ~3300 is normal. Replacing engine parts is not going to change your gearing.


My thoughts:
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...95&postcount=3
http://forums.maxima.org/showpost.ph...42&postcount=4

Unless your tranny is fried / slipping, I still stand by my above links.
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Originally Posted by njmaxseltd
Umm, at 80 my tach reads just a bit over 2500.
Well clearly you need to be included in this discussion since your transmission is the only one offered in a 4th gen.
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Originally Posted by MorpheusZero
Well clearly you need to be included in this discussion since your transmission is the only one offered in a 4th gen.
Originally Posted by NmexMAX
4AT
Common sense seems to be missing in the 4th gen section lately.
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Originally Posted by njmaxseltd
Common sense seems to be missing in the 4th gen section lately.
Thank you NmexMAX
I don't get it. Was that really over your head or are you just playing along?
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Originally Posted by njmaxseltd
Umm, at 80 my tach reads just a bit over 2500.
kph!!!
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Old 04-26-2008, 07:18 AM
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btw im a 96 5speed and i was asking because before i did all that i remember my rpms being a tadbit lower but my car was running like **** for a while soO thanx for the input ........im reminded of a famous song sang by an elequent jackie chan and chris tucker and it goes a lil something like this.. . WAR ha what is it good for absolutely nothing say it AGAIN! VIVA LA
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Moral of the story: 4AT = less RPM vs 5MT @ highway speeds,
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Moral of the story: 4AT = less RPM vs 5MT @ highway speeds,
Yes... we know that...
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Moral of the story: 4AT = less RPM vs 5MT @ highway speeds,
Hey, just cause it's true doesn't mean Nissan was on crack when they picked the 5th gear ratio.
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
So then
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:50 AM
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eh- still driving 80 at 3200 in 5th gear...........
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Originally Posted by flyby
eh- still driving 80 at 3200 in 5th gear...........
I have an auto 4spd, and it drives at around 2850 at 80 MPH.
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Originally Posted by flyby
eh- still driving 80 at 3200 in 5th gear...........
We have been over this. Around 3300 is normal.

Originally Posted by tradical1
I have an auto 4spd, and it drives at around 2850 at 80 MPH.
is going on here

HE IS 5 SPEED

AUTO PEOPLE STOP CHIMING IN WITH USELESS DRIVEL
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Originally Posted by MorpheusZero
We have been over this. Around 3300 is normal.



is going on here

HE IS 5 SPEED

AUTO PEOPLE STOP CHIMING IN WITH USELESS DRIVEL
Chill out, dude! Everyone knows auto is different. I was surprised that there's 500 RPM difference - that seems like a lot to me.

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Originally Posted by tradical1
Chill out, dude! Everyone knows auto is different. I was surprised that there's 500 RPM difference - that seems like a lot to me.
Plenty of auto tards are lackadaisically chiming in only saying what their top gear engine speed is at 80, implicitly suggesting that the OP's gearing is off. This makes the thread potentially confusing and really isn't constructive in the least.

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Unfortunately it seems you lack the prerequisite of having something important to say...
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So he's a 5MT, what's the difference aside from a few RPM? It's still a mechanical relation so I still stand by my statement. The only amendment is that instead of the tranny slipping, we will say clutch slipping, other than that, it's the same, so what's the point of this thread?
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
So he's a 5MT, what's the difference aside from a few RPM? It's still a mechanical relation so I still stand by my statement. The only amendment is that instead of the tranny slipping, we will say clutch slipping, other than that, it's the same, so what's the point of this thread?
The difference is about 500rpm, which is enormous. Your previous statement is obvious to anyone who understands how a transmission works and is absolutely correct.

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Of course, we can revisit the first days of the org, and say that This is one of the only vehicles where the EPA rated the 5MT LESS than the 4AT on highway MPG ZOMG, this is why.
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Of course, we can revisit the first days of the org, and say that This is one of the only vehicles where the EPA rated the 5MT LESS than the 4AT on highway MPG ZOMG, this is why.
I suppose... as long as we note that the 5MT has passing power in top gear and the VQ is smooth and robust enough that it could sit at 4k all day long and no one would notice..
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There's a lot of slamming going on here, so I think I should clear something up...

A transmission type alone doesn't necessarily have a significant effect on the relationship between the engine RPMs and speed. What matters is final gear ratio.

Now that that is said, can't we all be friends?
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Originally Posted by tradical1
There's a lot of slamming going on here, so I think I should clear something up...

A transmission type alone doesn't necessarily have a significant effect on the relationship between the engine RPMs and speed. What matters is final gear ratio.

Now that that is said, can't we all be friends?
What matters is the final drive + current gear ratio + torque converter slip + rolling diameter. What matters to the speedo is everything save the rolling diameter, which is programmed in as a constant.

We are aware of this man.
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Hmm....I'm an auto and mine drives at ~3000 at 80mph...

Does that mean something's wrong w/ my tranny? or...?
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Mine is at ~6400 RPM at 80 MPH. Suggestions?


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im done thanx for the info guys
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1.) It is your gearing, as nmexmax said, nothing will change. Unless you physically alter the gears in your transmission, you will always turn the same RPM at a given indicated speed.

2.) Automatic transmissions are commonly geared taller than manuals and that is why automatic maximas turn less RPM at the same speed as a manual. I don't know why they do that, considering a manual doesn't have the same parasitic losses as an automatic, meaning in theory you should be able to to run even taller gearing than the auto, but whatever. That would be sweet if we could turn like 2500RPM at 80. That would be wonderful gas mileage. Oh well.

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Mine is at ~6400 RPM at 80 MPH. Suggestions?


Not in top gear you're not, if so thats some NASTY slippage goin on.
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Originally Posted by modenaf1
1.) It is your gearing, as nmexmax said, nothing will change. Unless you physically alter the gears in your transmission, you will always turn the same RPM at a given indicated speed.

2.) Automatic transmissions are commonly geared taller than manuals and that is why automatic maximas turn less RPM at the same speed as a manual. I don't know why they do that, considering a manual doesn't have the same parasitic losses as an automatic, meaning in theory you should be able to to run even taller gearing than the auto, but whatever. That would be sweet if we could turn like 2500RPM at 80. That would be wonderful gas mileage. Oh well.
Few reasons:

1) Autos of the previous century typically have one or two less gears than a manual. If they had a shorter first gear than a manual then the gearing would be really far apart which would lead to even worse acceleration at speed.

2) Autos of said era tend to focus more on luxury where manuals focus more on performance. Turning over ~2500rpm on the freeway is considered a lot more luxurious than turning over ~3300. The manual is geared shorter because people driving a stick will generally be more tolerant of that sort of thing (partially for reason #3).

3) It's important to have a usable top gear in a manual, since people are lazy and don't want to downshift every time they have to pass someone. With an auto you just go into kickdown, the torque converter unlocks and the transmission downshifts seamlessly for you, so the cruising gear need not be as usable as with a manual.

4) You want to turn over 2500rpm at 80? Do a 6 speed swap.

Not in top gear you're not, if so thats some NASTY slippage goin on.
yeah pmohr you're not joking or anything are you?
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Originally Posted by MorpheusZero
yeah pmohr you're not joking or anything are you?
Not at all. Then again, that is in second gear...
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Originally Posted by pmohr
Not at all. Then again, that is in second gear...
Missing a few gears? My old honda reved at like 7000 at 20mph...




...in 1st gear.
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Originally Posted by pmohr
Not at all. Then again, that is in second gear...
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with the overdrive on, my 95 auto can sit at 2500 going 80 no problem...seems normal to me....but my gas milage is still $hit...i do have an EGR Solenoid ECU code tho, maybe thats doing it to me...
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