5.7 gen swap with head work
10-21-2013, 08:38 AM
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5.7 gen swap with head work
Hi all
This is my build for my 2K2 max. She's started down the oil consumption path. I thought it was time to start planning for an implant. I was inspired by SuraTTs swap and decided to go his route. So this is the plan:
Engine from a 09, 10, 11 Maxima(Depending on price and mileage)
Port and polish the Heads
BC Valve springs and Retainers
Waiting on cams from JWT(hopefully they have them soon) I think 264s should be good enough for a DD. 272 for DD??? any input on that?
ARP rod bolts
Electronics and tuning stuff provided by SuraTT (i.e Haltech ECU and widebands plus Throttle body adapter and cam signal inverters
Fidanza Flywheel
Southbend Clutch Stage 2 Endurance (Should be enough)
I'll post pics as the project comes along....for now I'm still planning and gathering parts.
I will also have a pnp e-manage harness for sale in a few weeks if anyone is interested. Wired according to this http://forums.maxima.org/all-motor/6...en-review.html post (Made by SuraTT)
I would appreciate any feedback or comments. Hopefully all goes well and then I can repaint her.
This is my build for my 2K2 max. She's started down the oil consumption path. I thought it was time to start planning for an implant. I was inspired by SuraTTs swap and decided to go his route. So this is the plan:
Engine from a 09, 10, 11 Maxima(Depending on price and mileage)
Port and polish the Heads
BC Valve springs and Retainers
Waiting on cams from JWT(hopefully they have them soon) I think 264s should be good enough for a DD. 272 for DD??? any input on that?
ARP rod bolts
Electronics and tuning stuff provided by SuraTT (i.e Haltech ECU and widebands plus Throttle body adapter and cam signal inverters
Fidanza Flywheel
Southbend Clutch Stage 2 Endurance (Should be enough)
I'll post pics as the project comes along....for now I'm still planning and gathering parts.
I will also have a pnp e-manage harness for sale in a few weeks if anyone is interested. Wired according to this http://forums.maxima.org/all-motor/6...en-review.html post (Made by SuraTT)
I would appreciate any feedback or comments. Hopefully all goes well and then I can repaint her.
10-23-2013, 09:16 PM
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The vqhr has vtc on both sides I don't think 09 maxima has vtc on both heads.so we basically don't know how the senors on these cams look like.I have a pair of Romeo hr cams in my 3.5 swap with 3.0 timing and a pair of rev up tomei outside and the senors are different.
10-24-2013, 05:20 AM
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The 09 and above have vtc on both. According to SuraTT HR cams don't fit due to cams sensors angles being different...
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10-24-2013, 12:16 PM
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The vqhr has vtc on both sides I don't think 09 maxima has vtc on both heads.so we basically don't know how the senors on these cams look like.I have a pair of Romeo hr cams in my 3.5 swap with 3.0 timing and a pair of rev up tomei outside and the senors are different.
If that's the case, then you'll be waiting for a while because IO don't see JWT or anyone making cams for the Maximas.
The reason it was so easy to get cams back in the day for the VQ35 was obviously the market for RWD platforms.
And it took almost 7-9 years after the VQ30 was released to get cams for it. I wouldn't hold my breath.
10-25-2013, 03:11 PM
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Nice thread!!!
09max vq cams. The HR cam is not quite right, due to RWD HR deck height so there are aligned alittle different. Due to FWD HR is regular DE.
And ive had 09 maxima cams measured by JWT and the FSM is wrong on the information. I will make a separate thread regarding cams here soon. Ill be doing testing on some cams soon. These new cams will be for 09 maxima and 07+Altima.
09max vq cams. The HR cam is not quite right, due to RWD HR deck height so there are aligned alittle different. Due to FWD HR is regular DE.
And ive had 09 maxima cams measured by JWT and the FSM is wrong on the information. I will make a separate thread regarding cams here soon. Ill be doing testing on some cams soon. These new cams will be for 09 maxima and 07+Altima.
10-28-2013, 03:32 PM
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02-02-2014, 11:28 PM
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how are you speaking on me before i speak on me lol. damn new yorkers lol. she pulled strong to 7400 rpm (JUst for testing lol) but im sure cams can see a huge bump past the 330-340 range. Car actually peaked At redline lol
02-03-2014, 07:08 AM
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Winter is harsh this year. I have all the parts just sitting there minus cams and valve springs.
I might not go with the cams...no date on when or even if they will be available.
Just keep her as my daily driver perhaps. Reliability wise.
Thinking of a new project.... 240z with LS swap.... Maybe VQ if I wanna keep it all Nissan lol
Sigh... dunno yet... Time will tell
I might not go with the cams...no date on when or even if they will be available.
Just keep her as my daily driver perhaps. Reliability wise.
Thinking of a new project.... 240z with LS swap.... Maybe VQ if I wanna keep it all Nissan lol
Sigh... dunno yet... Time will tell
02-07-2014, 03:20 AM
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Lmao sorry guy, your car got me hype now!
03-29-2014, 01:04 PM
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Update
Update:
Have bought all the items I need...
Decided not to wait for cams. I dunno when they will be available...
Southbend clutch
Fidanza flywheel
Haltech and wiring
4" Intake piping
Larger injectors
Few repair Items --- abs sensor, EVAP vent control valve.
Replaced OBX flex pipe with a 3". Now its fully 3" from collectors all the way through
Next step is to pick up the engine. Most likely in beginning of May.
Hopefully I can start doing some REAL work soon lol
Have bought all the items I need...
Decided not to wait for cams. I dunno when they will be available...
Southbend clutch
Fidanza flywheel
Haltech and wiring
4" Intake piping
Larger injectors
Few repair Items --- abs sensor, EVAP vent control valve.
Replaced OBX flex pipe with a 3". Now its fully 3" from collectors all the way through
Next step is to pick up the engine. Most likely in beginning of May.
Hopefully I can start doing some REAL work soon lol
04-03-2014, 08:42 AM
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I wish I could do cams...
I have a thought on those but I could be wrong.
So according to the information provided by Darren....
The cams are 180 degree offset in 09 motor as compared to the 02 motor. The timing wheel is different.
Theoretically we could...modify old DE aftermarket cams. Cut down the timing wheel and throw on the timing wheel from the 09 cams. We can also make the proper timing notches. 8.5 degrees advanced. Install the new cams 180 offset as required...
This is what I came up with while commuting back and forth from work...
This is only an assumption without any kind of actual measurements. Once I get the motor I will try it out and swap cams and see if my idea works and if the timing is the same as with 09 cams.
I will put up a diagram later on to make things a bit visual.
Please chime in.
I have a thought on those but I could be wrong.
So according to the information provided by Darren....
The cams are 180 degree offset in 09 motor as compared to the 02 motor. The timing wheel is different.
Theoretically we could...modify old DE aftermarket cams. Cut down the timing wheel and throw on the timing wheel from the 09 cams. We can also make the proper timing notches. 8.5 degrees advanced. Install the new cams 180 offset as required...
This is what I came up with while commuting back and forth from work...
This is only an assumption without any kind of actual measurements. Once I get the motor I will try it out and swap cams and see if my idea works and if the timing is the same as with 09 cams.
I will put up a diagram later on to make things a bit visual.
Please chime in.
04-19-2014, 07:10 PM
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What about Rev-up cams? Those are technically DE cams with added exhuast VTC.
and i wont see the point of buying HR valve springs if that head technically already has HR valve springs that would be a useless spend of money. Unless you are going double spring'd and intend to rev to like 9-10K you should have to touch the valve springs. If your getting some big cams then change the springs to something made for the cams.
and i wont see the point of buying HR valve springs if that head technically already has HR valve springs that would be a useless spend of money. Unless you are going double spring'd and intend to rev to like 9-10K you should have to touch the valve springs. If your getting some big cams then change the springs to something made for the cams.
04-19-2014, 08:02 PM
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What about Rev-up cams? Those are technically DE cams with added exhuast VTC.
and i wont see the point of buying HR valve springs if that head technically already has HR valve springs that would be a useless spend of money. Unless you are going double spring'd and intend to rev to like 9-10K you should have to touch the valve springs. If your getting some big cams then change the springs to something made for the cams.
and i wont see the point of buying HR valve springs if that head technically already has HR valve springs that would be a useless spend of money. Unless you are going double spring'd and intend to rev to like 9-10K you should have to touch the valve springs. If your getting some big cams then change the springs to something made for the cams.
the fwd "hr" does not use rwd hr springs so they need to be upgraded if doing cams/high rpm.
09-26-2014, 12:45 PM
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Update!!!
The project is close to being done.
Reason it took so long was due to some extra maintenance things to be done.
But everything has been completed.
Wiring has been been added and routed for the Cam sensors and Widebands plus gauges.
Hoping to drop the engine in tonight and fire it up tomorrow.
Will post some pics soon.
Much respect to Darren for his help and patience with my questions. LOL
Thanks Darren!!!
The project is close to being done.
Reason it took so long was due to some extra maintenance things to be done.
But everything has been completed.
Wiring has been been added and routed for the Cam sensors and Widebands plus gauges.
Hoping to drop the engine in tonight and fire it up tomorrow.
Will post some pics soon.
Much respect to Darren for his help and patience with my questions. LOL
Thanks Darren!!!
10-08-2014, 08:30 AM
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01-24-2015, 01:38 PM
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Ok so update on this project...
I have installed everything (Engine, tranny, etc)
I now have a problem...well I had the problem since Sept but didn't have time to work on it.
The issue is keeping the car started
When the car is cold it will start and stay started for 1-2 mins @ 1700-1800 RPM
As it starts to warm up it gradually dies.
After that it starts and then dies.
I can keep it started by playing with the gas pedal and keeping the rpm at 3K.
As soon as I let go it stalls.
A sudden stomp on the gas pedal does not do anything but sputter and die
I suspect these things...need to narrow it down
Fuel pump (replaced it and still no good)
Crank Position Sensor??
Coolant temp sensor??
Throttle Body??
Ignition Coils?? (3 were sourced with unknown history)
Bad ground at relays?? (not sure about this one)
The current setup is as follows:
Haltech ECU running everything
WB O2 sensors hooked up to Haltech
Primary O2 sensors still in exhaust
4" Intake with gtr injectors
MAP sensor hooked up to Haltech
Battery Relocated to trunk
Starter solenoid in trunk with secondary 0 gauge running to starter
Multiple grounds with heavy gauge wires
New battery
Alternator output checked and it is good
Please help me find a solution. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Need my baby back on the road. Tired of looking at her everyday in the driveway
I have installed everything (Engine, tranny, etc)
I now have a problem...well I had the problem since Sept but didn't have time to work on it.
The issue is keeping the car started
When the car is cold it will start and stay started for 1-2 mins @ 1700-1800 RPM
As it starts to warm up it gradually dies.
After that it starts and then dies.
I can keep it started by playing with the gas pedal and keeping the rpm at 3K.
As soon as I let go it stalls.
A sudden stomp on the gas pedal does not do anything but sputter and die
I suspect these things...need to narrow it down
Fuel pump (replaced it and still no good)
Crank Position Sensor??
Coolant temp sensor??
Throttle Body??
Ignition Coils?? (3 were sourced with unknown history)
Bad ground at relays?? (not sure about this one)
The current setup is as follows:
Haltech ECU running everything
WB O2 sensors hooked up to Haltech
Primary O2 sensors still in exhaust
4" Intake with gtr injectors
MAP sensor hooked up to Haltech
Battery Relocated to trunk
Starter solenoid in trunk with secondary 0 gauge running to starter
Multiple grounds with heavy gauge wires
New battery
Alternator output checked and it is good
Please help me find a solution. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Need my baby back on the road. Tired of looking at her everyday in the driveway
01-24-2015, 02:14 PM
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it sounds that's exactly what the issue is to me, it needs some tuning done.
as the car warms up the coolant temp correction is coming out of adding fuel, how lean does it get when it cuts off?
if you want to email me i can help you more.
as the car warms up the coolant temp correction is coming out of adding fuel, how lean does it get when it cuts off?
if you want to email me i can help you more.
03-10-2015, 07:12 PM
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04-20-2015, 06:56 AM
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Finally Started
Hi all,
Update on the project....
I finally got the car started and idling.
Turns out that it is not a good idea to use VIAS vacuum port for MAP sensor input
I put in a new fitting for the map sensor vacuum hose and bingo. It started working perfectly.
I figured this out after checking for vacuum leaks and installing fuel pressure gauge. and checking all injectors and coils. What clued me in was when I removed the intake manifold the VIAS still had vacuum... I thought to myself wait a minute...there should be no vacuum. So I said what the heck lets put in a new vacuum access for MAP.
I had the car running for an hour. Then turned it off. When I started it again it shut off after 30 secs. Now it won't start. I am getting no reading anywhere. No RPM, Cam sensor or spark....I think it might be the crank sensor...
Getting a new one today. Hopefully it works.
Update on the project....
I finally got the car started and idling.
Turns out that it is not a good idea to use VIAS vacuum port for MAP sensor input
I put in a new fitting for the map sensor vacuum hose and bingo. It started working perfectly.
I figured this out after checking for vacuum leaks and installing fuel pressure gauge. and checking all injectors and coils. What clued me in was when I removed the intake manifold the VIAS still had vacuum... I thought to myself wait a minute...there should be no vacuum. So I said what the heck lets put in a new vacuum access for MAP.
I had the car running for an hour. Then turned it off. When I started it again it shut off after 30 secs. Now it won't start. I am getting no reading anywhere. No RPM, Cam sensor or spark....I think it might be the crank sensor...
Getting a new one today. Hopefully it works.
04-22-2015, 02:48 PM
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Yea I don't mind writing up the swap. Kinda poor on the pics as I lost my "rough" camera that had all of the pics in it
I will try my best to cover all issues that I encountered and things to watch out for during the swap
I finally got the car started again after replacing the crank sensor. Idles much better than before. Played around with fuel and throttle settings to have a stable idle.
Tuning is still new to me so there is much trial and error...
Now to put the rest of the interior back together and hopefully take her for a spin on saturday. Break in the clutch and test the tune under load.
Any local guys good with tuning? I could use a bit of help and tips any help is much appreciated
I will try my best to cover all issues that I encountered and things to watch out for during the swap
I finally got the car started again after replacing the crank sensor. Idles much better than before. Played around with fuel and throttle settings to have a stable idle.
Tuning is still new to me so there is much trial and error...
Now to put the rest of the interior back together and hopefully take her for a spin on saturday. Break in the clutch and test the tune under load.
Any local guys good with tuning? I could use a bit of help and tips any help is much appreciated
04-29-2015, 09:29 AM
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Finally got it running. It is loud and very responsive 
I had to change the Injector latencies which I thought was odd...since I am using the 570cc GTR injectors same as Darren so they should be the same
Also adjusted the Transient throttle async percentage and Base fuel map settings. Took me some hours of reading to understand this
Going for Dyno and final tune in May. I will be posting the few pics that I have soon. I will also post a final write up of the swap.
Next task is to install the new sound system and organize batteries in the trunk
It is loud and very responsive I had to change the Injector latencies which I thought was odd...since I am using the 570cc GTR injectors same as Darren so they should be the same
Also adjusted the Transient throttle async percentage and Base fuel map settings. Took me some hours of reading to understand this
Going for Dyno and final tune in May. I will be posting the few pics that I have soon. I will also post a final write up of the swap.
Next task is to install the new sound system and organize batteries in the trunk