mooseq30

This thread has been created for all maxima enthusiasts who need a power transmission option that is good for incredible abuse and power:


Now available:
!!!!!!!!FIRST EVER!!!!!!!!!!


Full first gear through forth gear set with input shaft and needle roller bearings for 3rd, 4th, and 5th, for the Nissan maxima made by PAR Precision Automation and Robotics;

helical cut set and straight cut is available as well!!

Set comes with superior design with gears ridding on needle bearings instead of metal on metal like stock design!

This set has been designed off my maximas transmission and is made to fit all the stock forks and assembly, the purpose of getting this set made was to have a set available to all those in need of a transmission for there high powered VQ's, this set is available for 4000$AUD and comes with a warranty that's good even if the gear set is used under drag or circuit racing conditions!

-This is the first ever full 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and input shaft set built for the Nissan maxima and the first to have the superior benefits of needle bearings! Fifth gear can be purchased as well and ratio can be adjusted!!


A GIANT THANKS goes out To PAR Engineering for making this set possible for all us maxima lovers who hate our garbage stock 5spd!!!

PM me if you need answers to any questions!

There are 15 sets available to be purchased on demand and others can be made if need be!

DETAILS ON SET
I'll give as much current info as I can and I'll try to update this thread whenever possible, or new info comes into play
(1/4 mile, dyno, video, audio, pictures)

So far first gear seems to be incredibly strong and very reliable in terms of engagement, just needed to be worked in a bit at first but after a couple kms it worked in great. 2nd gear is the only gear that hums loud enough to actually hear it in the cabin of the car(referring to the helical cut gear set, straight cut would be extremely loud in every gear). 3rd and 4th are just to easy to engage and I can put as much power as I want down so far and it just shifts every time. 5th gear is stock but I swear it feels like it spins easier since the introduction of the needle rollers to this set up, although the gear it self feels so weak when I shift to it and I plan on getting a fifth gear made eventually!


CONTACT INFO FOR PAR GEAR SET:


Gerard Chan
Precision Automation and Robotics
Ph: +61 2 9820 1100 Fax: +61 2 9820 1900
19 Saggart Field Road
Minto
NSW, 2566
Australia
www.par-engineering.com
email address; gerard@par-engineering.com






Here are some pics I've posted before but will post here for all future views;

mooseq30

mooseq30

Stock vs PAR





Stock vs PAR
notice here how the stock teeth are already bent, damaged and on the verge of going, these stock teeth are approximately 8000-10000kms driven! PAR teeth look more than twice the size;





Stock vs PAR





Stock vs PAR






Look how amazing the tooth profile is on this set compared to the garbage stock gears!

mooseq30

THIS SPACE IS RESERVED FOR MORE INFORMATION ON THE SET INCLUDING (1/4mile,dyno,video,audio...pics...)


So I went to the 1/4 tonight, best time 14 flat @ 107.2 (16C outside and a bit moist) but I couldn't stop the spinning, tires I have are 420 tread wear and don't stop spinning till I hit the brakes. I tried lowering the boost from 11psi to 7.5psi and I did my best trap and best 1/4 but still spun the hole thing till top of forth and at that point I already had to hit the brakes! Tried raising my 5way Illuminas to 5 from 3 and I still did the same time! cars just putting to much power to the floor for the tires I'm running! Next mod, Tires...lol

Anyways on to the PAR gear set;
I found the sound of second gear to be amazing, it shifts quick and easy through all gears, didn't miss a shift once, wish I had tires to appreciate the gain in power. The first second through just immediately lit the tires up. I was never able to push 11psi and that much power to the stock gears before, if I had good tires I'd assume on a good night @ 7.5 psi I'd do 13 flat, @ 11+psi I'd do 12's easy and maybe 11's with really good slicks! I truly do recommend this set after tonight, usually I'd be at the track scared of my gears but tonight I was worried about my VQ mostly and everything was perfect!

On the highway @ 11+psi tires spun in forth at 4000rpms? (wow tripped, but loved it at the same time)

doublea

iTrader: (7)

Does the gear set is only for manual tranny or is also for auto ?

MDeezy

iTrader: (27)

how is engagement. I assume on the stock gears, they are angled that way for a smoother less jagged engagement, are the PAR set very loud?

price??

mooseq30

The gear set is "angled" or helical, it can be bought strait cut as well! The gears are very quite only a light hum, not able to hear the gears unless ur superman, only gear that makes noise noticible is 2nd due to the enormous tooth profile and it is only noticeable as a light hum when driving low throttle and there is no other noise to rub it out(engine, turbo, exhaust...). Reverse does make a reverse noise, when it is engaged and its a little louder than the stock noise.

Gear set is Priced @ 4000$AUD
comes with warranty that allows circuit and 1/4 mile racing...

PAR gear sets are being used in cars with 500-600 hp all over the world and some set are use by cars that have 800-900+ and still functioning!

The teeth are noticeably made twice as large at the top of the tooth and and more than twice the size at the bottom of the tooth, they are made of much stronger materials and go through a very long many stage process that is perfected by many years of R&D and made by many specialists, even the teeth on the syncro part of the gears are much nicer in look and much stronger in material, with my clutch and flywheel set-up I now achieve the quickest least ruff engagement and shifts, the gears spin to engage at least two to three times as fast due to the superior design of needle rollers in the 3rd 4th 5th gears, the input shaft works well, it fit the stock bearings and reverse perfectly and everything about it is great so far! The only problem I had was engagement in first was a little tight at first, it was getting easier and easier every time, and now the engagement is perfect and no tighter than my stock first gear engagement used to be!

It feels so good to be able to rip first as hard as I want shifting to second and release the power of my VQ its just so nice to have those low gears built up to take the power(so easily), and those well made 3rd and 4th gears, only dilemma is the stock 5th but it rides so smooth now in gear and one day if I ever need to be 200kms+ on a track I'll get 5th built as well for an extra 1000 or less excluding labor and I'd be curious to see the shape of the gear set after a few years!

MDeezy

iTrader: (27)

$4000AUD is approximately $3788 USD.

this is fantastic I know many have replaced their trannies numerous times due to bearing, heavy use, high power, or it just failed under normal load.

The price on this is very high, it would be nice to know that you wont need to worry about your tranny breaking anytime soon, but that price is something to be sure of before making such a commitment. You can actually buy another (or couple if you shop right) 4th gens for that amount of currency.

still its good to know this is out there for the serious driver who wants to eliminate their transmission as a weak point in their setup

mooseq30

Yes it is fantastic to have this option available finally to those who want!
I've bought a used 5spd for 1000usd$ and got it installed but it lasted ~6000-7000kms, I bought a brand-new 5spd for 2000$+ and put it in ~8000-10000kms it was still working but after opening it I found that third was just about to go and would of taken the rest of the gears with it! So with labor even to change it two or three times is it worth it? even if they are all used and change it yourself, I just would rather drive my car than be scared of breaking my car!

And a general rule is if it breaks go better, and that's what I've done!

SPiG

iTrader: (7)

Just wondering what are the gear ratios for this gear set? Stock?

NmexMAX

iTrader: (22)

^^^ If so ... then how would they affect dynos?

mooseq30

drivetrain loss differences;
the new input shaft and gear weight difference and very slight difference in ratio for all the gears, plus the needle rollers! On top of that I changed the flywheel and clutch and my car is not NA its FI, so the constant isn't really there, so tests would only be to see overall change with everything that has been done! I'm curious to see the low end power difference and torque curves look... but its all just to give any information possible to those who'd like to see it.
1/4 mile I hope to do at this boost level(7.5psi) but who knows maybe I'll turn it up if I don't do such a good time for the first time this year and its been a long time not using my car! lol

mooseq30

added more info up top! 1/4mile time and trap...garbage tires, 420 tread wear rating....couldn't stop spinning...amazing gear set...lol

96blkonblkse

iTrader: (18)

Its great to know this.

I really appreciate it when people take on a big comitment like this! Being a pioneer and setting it up and all.

I will definately be considering this, as, because honestly, when i had all my NA mods, retuned and all at 205whp/200wtq, the tranny just doesnt feel like it can handle much more at all.

Roughly, how long did it take for you to get the gears in?

Also are you VLSD or open diff?

mooseq30

VLSD, gears are still awesome everything is still working great, still haven't been able to miss a shift even once, the gears just slide in like butter and engage whenever I need them, find the ratio in third a little shorter, maybe 2km/h shorter but that just makes it rip even harder, can't wait till I have tires to support all the power I'm capable of making.
I had to drop my boost from 11-12psi(too insane) to 6.5-7.5psi and still have no grip, with this clutch, flywheel, and gears I'm capable of making so much more power to the wheels! must be a 2-4% increase to the wheels, @ 9psi I made 335whp I feel like I'm making that same power now at 6-7psi!
Going to schedule a dyno in July-Aug when I get back from vacation, cause till then I'm working every day.

When its really hot out, I've been able to finally feel the madness even with these garbage tires.
For some reason they make no grip even when they are heated, till its 25+ Celsius outside thats when I start to pull, when its 30+ it makes good grip actually with ~7psi A/F 12-12.5 and I can actually launch and shift without just bouncing on the red line, but when its less than 17 it just peels 1st,2nd,3rd,and sometimes 4th with no grip till 4th, even if I try to warm them first it doesn't make much of a difference!

The hum it makes in 2nd is so nice, I actually noticed if I drive nice and smooth in third with the windows up and music an a/c off I can hear a deeper hum in third but its really hard to hear when I try to point it out to someone cause my car just makes so many nice noises; engine, exhaust, turbo, intakes whistle, bov...

I realize now that 5th isn't needed in my car at all and I should of removed it (if possible), I looked into the gas millage and have realized it does 50kms more if I stop using fifth, makes no sense eh? well it actually does, 4th is now a bit longer, drive train puts more power to the wheels now, and on top of that and some other stuff; the AFC NEO reads the maf and in 4th at 100-120kms/h it shows a lot less than when its in 5th at 100-120kms/h, as well the vacuum will hold @ 20 doing highway speeds of 100-120kms/h with no acceleration just constant speed, and in fifth its impossible to hold 20 until doing 125+kms/h, otherwise in fifth at 100-120 trying to hold that speed need at least 17-13 of vacuum.

One day if I ever feel the need, or start using 5th I will replace it(maybe) for a PAR engineered 5th gear, only if I start tracking my car, and I still have a bunch more upgrades needed to do that especially a BBK probably stoptech or something 6-12 pistons on ventilated disk(to do that need mags :-( , replace rear disks and update lines and pads, brake fluid as well, oil cooler and much more, especially some body work(my car got destroyed everywhere living and parking downtown one year, thank g-d for a garage now!) needs new front bumper, and lots of repainting, plus windshield...

mooseq30

Update;
Gears are still great, use my car everyday and boosting has never felt so good. Still haven't missed any shifts at all, not even any close encounters, just shifts perfect every time! Just love to quick shift into third, used to baby third the most because its what is most problamatic in a stock maxima 5spd but now with PAR 3rd, just beat it all the time!!!

tonytighttucker

so what is the price in american dollars with shipping and handling

Nealoc187

iTrader: (23)

it's posted above...

tonytighttucker

so what's the price of the gear set with 5 gear

mtrai760

iTrader: (19)

JESUS CHRIST!

CONTACT INFO FOR PAR GEAR SET:


Gerard Chan
Precision Automation and Robotics
Ph: +61 2 9820 1100 Fax: +61 2 9820 1900
19 Saggart Field Road
Minto
NSW, 2566
Australia
www.par-engineering.com
email address; gerard@par-engineering.com


EMAIL THEM!!!

mooseq30

Set is amazing, still haven't missed a single shift.
It just puts too much power down, need tires real bad!! lol!!
Love the wine it makes as I tear down a street!

doublea

iTrader: (7)

Simply amazing, but you need running shoes for your beast, then you'll see your best time ever. Props to you man for being a pioneer. I'm seriously thinking of swapping my auto to manual, I'll definitely give them a call and see how much the five gear set would cost me. Have fun with the beast.

AA

nwell2k3

iTrader: (1)

^ If I were you, I would keep the auto. Easier to launch, more companies doing performance rebuilds, and you will never miss a gear. IMO

Matt93SE

iTrader: (44)

So... stupid question, but how is this brand new since PAR has had a gearset available for us for a couple years now?
tons of threads out there since '05 talking about the PAR gearsets fitting the RS5F50A/V trannies.... :shrug:

Nealoc187

iTrader: (23)

the PAR gearset available before would only work for 3rd and 4th which you could stick on the OEM input and main shafts. if you tried to use 1st and second you'd end up with a maxima that had no reverse since the rs5f50a/v in the GTIR used a different style of reverse. this new set has the proper style input shaft allowing us to use all 4 gears (or 5, if you feel the need).

mooseq30

Don't forget its also been redesigned with needle rollers for third fourth and fifth gear, the needle rollers remove some power loss and protect the shaft from abuse and breaking!!
The set was made for a purpose, obviously, just like Nealoc187 said, lol!

Sealti96

What are the ratios for this? Does it include a FD?

dcambre

Or...can they manufacture more today
2011