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gtr_rider 09-21-2006 09:33 PM

HEre are the vids:
http://vqpower.com/tmp/Sept%2016%20Seized-b.asf
http://vqpower.com/tmp/Sept%2016%20weird%20launch.asf
http://vqpower.com/tmp/Sept%2016-13z...o%20cutout.asf

GodFather 09-21-2006 10:58 PM

Sorry to hear that, Dandy. You're an inspiration and a pioneer. Hope you get your things sorted out soon.

DandyMax 09-21-2006 11:17 PM

Thanks Peter and thanks Luke for hosting!

SOrry the vids are a bit shaky... I had a novice videographer that day...

MardiGrasMax 09-22-2006 05:28 AM

Dam dude, good luck with the new motor. Maybe add some cams?

JClaw 09-22-2006 02:33 PM

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. Get some high lift 3.0 aftermarket cams. That way, when you put the 3.5 in, you don't have to drill anything and you already have aftermarket cams that match the 3.0 cam sprockets ready to go in. Little downtime, more top end.

DandyMax 09-22-2006 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by JClaw
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. Get some high lift 3.0 aftermarket cams. That way, when you put the 3.5 in, you don't have to drill anything and you already have aftermarket cams that match the 3.0 cam sprockets ready to go in. Little downtime, more top end.

My 3.5 swap is going to have VTC's.

But I'm open to suggestions on which cams to put in the 3.0... $$$ may still end up dictating what I can do though.

I have been looking at the specs on a bunch of different ones but there seems to be hardly any good test data/dynos to be found for cams in a 3L. Furthermore, if I use VQ35 cams the cam timing will become crucial since there's no such thing as VTC on the 3L.

KRRZ350 09-24-2006 12:06 AM

that is an AWESOME time, regardless of what happened and not breaking that barier you should still know thats ill.

GodFather 09-24-2006 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by DandyMax
My 3.5 swap is going to have VTC's.

But I'm open to suggestions on which cams to put in the 3.0... $$$ may still end up dictating what I can do though.

I have been looking at the specs on a bunch of different ones but there seems to be hardly any good test data/dynos to be found for cams in a 3L. Furthermore, if I use VQ35 cams the cam timing will become crucial since there's no such thing as VTC on the 3L.

Dandy, Don't go with JWT cams if you are staying 3.0. The loss of torque is humongus in my 3.0 setup with the JWT S1 cams. Then I had some problems with it and took it off. Now I am riding with these same cams on my 3.5 setup, the result is waaaaay better. I still feel this 3.5 should see more torque, but I know that the cams and my mevi were the 2 major limiting factors. I know you have an optional 00vi, so that's my only uncertainty in this advice.

Basically, my mid range works very funny, almost disappointing. Floor it from idle, it pulls hard till 3k rpms, then dips a little power to 3.5k and pulls to 4k, then dips to 4.5k, then pulls all the way to redline without any signs of hp loss. At high revs, it's a honda vtec at large. I've ridden in a 2002 6-speed maxima and a 6-speed altima, both pulled really hard in the mid range, but got no juice left at higher bands. I have also driven in my brother's 2000 auto maxima w/3.5 swapped in, it's got no juice after 5.5k rpms. My setup with JWT 3.0 cams in my 3.5 motor is totally opposite of those 3.5's I've just described. That should give you a good idea where you'd be if you do 3.0 jwt cams. I just wouldn't recommend JWT S1's on a vq30, unless you'd get the cams dirt cheap.

-Peter-

michaelnyden 09-24-2006 10:15 PM

how many miles did you have on your engine? this is so weird...some guys on here run 14psi with 350whp and a small shot of nitrous with over 100K miles on their engine and they drive it like they stole it and their oil pump never grenades, but others stay NA, put out less than 250whp and this happens...

I really wanted to see your next dyno to and see where your power peaks now without cams...

I am sorry to hear your misfortune and have been following your project 3L with 00VI and the emanage ultimate for some time, kept watching your dyno #'s go up and your ET's go down! I say stay the course and hit 12's NA with the 3.0L...I think JWT cams with the 2 step limiter would do well...maybe throw on a mild port and polish on your heads while they are out...

koolguy4u 09-25-2006 08:21 AM

damn, time for some forged Rods

Hoooper 09-25-2006 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by koolguy4u
damn, time for some forged Rods

yep, cause that was the problem..........read the thread before you post, even if youre just trying to get to 15

DandyMax 09-25-2006 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by michaelnyden
how many miles did you have on your engine? this is so weird...some guys on here run 14psi with 350whp and a small shot of nitrous with over 100K miles on their engine and they drive it like they stole it and their oil pump never grenades, but others stay NA, put out less than 250whp and this happens...

I really wanted to see your next dyno to and see where your power peaks now without cams...

I am sorry to hear your misfortune and have been following your project 3L with 00VI and the emanage ultimate for some time, kept watching your dyno #'s go up and your ET's go down! I say stay the course and hit 12's NA with the 3.0L...I think JWT cams with the 2 step limiter would do well...maybe throw on a mild port and polish on your heads while they are out...

Oil pumps failing probably wouldn't have much to do with the power level, more to do with the high rpm revving.

Yeah it's too bad the dyno will never be known now. I've said it before but my guess based on datalogging and just how the car felt etc was somewhere in the 230-240whp range and peak around 7000-7200 rpms. Not like I can prove it now though.

TomV 09-25-2006 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by DandyMax
Oil pumps failing probably wouldn't have much to do with the power level, more to do with the high rpm revving.

Yeah it's too bad the dyno will never be known now. I've said it before but my guess based on datalogging and just how the car felt etc was somewhere in the 230-240whp range and peak around 7000-7200 rpms. Not like I can prove it now though.

230-240 is totally believable based on times and traps by my math. If you have a known time and trap speed at a known power and weight for the car, you can easily get a good estimate of the new power by using the inverse cube of new vs. old (ET or trap, works about the same, or use both and average them). Its pretty reliable but won't account for slicks vs streets for example.

michaelnyden 09-25-2006 09:27 PM

how did you get it to peak so high...considering your last dyno peaked at 6600 without cams...you didn't take out your power valve in the 00VI did you? Cause I know that can shift where it peaks...

DandyMax 09-26-2006 06:14 AM

I think I'm going to see if I have any good EU datalogs from the last couple weeks before the engine seized. If I do I'll develop an equation for the slope of the rpm line, then doing a little calculus should give me a good estimate for the peak power point. Now things like road grade, wind direction etc could influence it since any logs I could use were taken all over the place on various back roads, but maybe it'll give me an idea. And yes the last few months I pulled the valve out, I don't know if it moves the peak point or just increases the top end a bit. Oh and you asked what my mileage on the engine was before, IIRC it was around 117k.

michaelnyden 09-26-2006 09:13 AM

how did you low end and midrange feel with the PV pulled out? how how much of a top end increase did you perceive?

DandyMax 09-27-2006 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by michaelnyden
how did you low end and midrange feel with the PV pulled out? how how much of a top end increase did you perceive?

Hard to say just going by the butt dyno. There was probably a small low/mid loss and a small gain up top. The car was not sluggish or anything down low, plus the tuning probably helps to compensate.

michaelnyden 09-27-2006 10:03 PM

so the difference in top end wasn't huge either?

VIP Maxima 09-27-2006 11:54 PM

dandy, performance mods list please :)

DandyMax 09-29-2006 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by VIP Maxima
dandy, performance mods list please :)

Mods for the 13.00 run:

00VI swap
Greddy EU
PF TB
Motostorm UDP
Custom intake
Cattman h/y/catback (plus cutout but it was closed, so basically like a test pipe)
Low temp T-stat
Deadhead fuel rail w/ AFPR @ 46 psi
Some weight reduction
K-Sport coilovers
Belts: alternator only
Full ES bushing set and motor mounts
24.5x8.5x15 M&H slicks on 15x7 Kosei's
Courtesy STS

That should be most of it I think... :scratch:

BlackBIRDVQ 09-29-2006 05:53 PM

Dan, U coming over :) ?

DandyMax 10-02-2006 02:28 PM

Got to do a VI swap for someone up here first. How much are you paying me? ;)

BlackBIRDVQ 10-02-2006 02:42 PM

how bout a 4 dozzen pierogis with cabbage and mushrooms ?

I might be dropping off my Maxima in WI for some FI work.... I got all winter to get it runing, I got a winter beater.
https://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/06/9d/80/cf_1.JPG

Kevlo911 10-02-2006 04:24 PM

Why you teasin me :squint:

BlackBIRDVQ 10-02-2006 04:43 PM

I'm not, unfortunatelly there are no good turbo kits out there, and I reather be roots blown anyhow.... instant low end power.

JClaw 10-02-2006 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by BlackBIRDVQ
I'm not, unfortunatelly there are no good turbo kits out there, and I reather be roots blown anyhow.... instant low end power.

Is that an M90?

Kevlo911 10-02-2006 05:08 PM

Yeah the only SC setup I would do is roots too :)

GodFather 10-02-2006 07:31 PM

Wow, a new toy coming our way for the community? Nice, hope you git-r-dun soon.

BlackBIRDVQ 10-02-2006 09:55 PM


Originally Posted by JClaw
Is that an M90?

Upgraded SVT Cobra unit :)

Duckman540i 10-03-2006 10:15 PM


Originally Posted by BlackBIRDVQ
Upgraded SVT Cobra unit :)

So In That Case, The Eaton M112. :)


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