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krazy6 09-03-2010 03:23 PM

Going to the track tonight on street tires
 
We'll see what I run. I don't have a helmet right now, but I don't think I'll need it. lol

Also, never ran at a 1/4 mile track before. Just at a 1/8 mile track. (numbers in sig on drag radials)

Wish me luck!

tookrzy4u192 09-03-2010 03:25 PM

in for numbers! gl! i say mid-high 13's

krazy6 09-03-2010 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by tookrzy4u192 (Post 7720334)
in for numbers! gl! i say mid-high 13's

It would do mid to high 13s with a good tire. I think I'm gonna be stuck in the 14s tonight. We'll see.

tonedef 09-03-2010 07:05 PM

good luck

321VQ35MAX 09-03-2010 07:07 PM

In for numbers as well.. have fun. I personally prefer the 1/4 over the 1/8th..

505max94se 09-03-2010 08:12 PM

good luck bro ;)

krazy6 09-04-2010 08:39 AM

Ran four 14.1 passes. At least I was consistent lol.
I couldn't get any better than a 2.2 60' and that was definitely hurting my ET's.
Haven't ran at the track in forever on street tires. Definitely not as fun as running on drag tires. lol

Still think a 14.1 is pretty good for a intake/exhaust/stock exhaust manifold 6th gen.

For comparison purposes:
California 1/8___________Kansas 1/8
Drag radials____________Street tires
8.7 ET________________9.2 ET
1.9 60'________________2.2 60'

Let me know what you guys think.

tedo007 09-04-2010 08:43 AM

Seems about right.

krazy6 09-04-2010 08:53 AM

My car could use some headers, but damn, they are expensive.

Just found out that the DA for last night was somewhere around 2500. That is definitely not helping lol.

Nealoc187 09-04-2010 09:26 AM

sure would be nice to know your trap speeds... maybe even see an entire timeslip broken down to more than just the nearest 10th of a second

krazy6 09-04-2010 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by Nealoc187 (Post 7721186)
sure would be nice to know your trap speeds... maybe even see an entire timeslip broken down to more than just the nearest 10th of a second

I'll post up all the slips when I get home.

krazy6 09-04-2010 02:32 PM

Here are my three best slips:

60 FT_____2.2424
330 FT____6.0836
1/8 ET____9.2140
1/8 MPH___79.42
1000 ET___11.8758
1000 MPH__91.37
1/4 ET____14.1399
1/4 MPH___99.54

60 FT_____2.2255
330 FT____6.1042
1/8 ET____9.2224
1/8 MPH___79.28
1000 ET___11.8924
1000 MPH__91.54
1/4 ET____14.1584
1/4 MPH___98.81

60 FT_____2.2476
330 FT____6.1177
1/8 ET____9.2368
1/8 MPH___79.53
1000 ET___11.8987
1000 MPH__91.71
1/4 ET____14.1618
1/4 MPH___98.92

scarface4522 09-04-2010 04:39 PM

nice numbers, u gonna try again with the DR's?

krazy6 09-04-2010 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by scarface4522 (Post 7721642)
nice numbers, u gonna try again with the DR's?

Thanks!

I want to get some slicks, drag radials suck on a fwd car. The bad thing with the 6th gen is that the brakes are to big and a 15" wheel won't clear even with grinding.

I don't even know if a 16" wheel will clear. No full slicks in a 16" wheel anyways.

I know that a 17" fits because I had some 205/40-17 drag radials before. They weren't anything special though.
17" tire sizing sucks though.

I don't know what I am gonna go with. :confused:

Nealoc187 09-04-2010 10:27 PM

well if you can fit 16s you can get Hoosier Quick Time Pros, ET Streets, or M&H Cheaters (you have to have a really wide wheel for the M&H though).

Mickey also makes a 17" ET Street, but it similarly would require a really really wide wheel.

That's about it though as far as bias ply tires go for 16s and 17" that would realistically fit a max.

BTW nice consistency. Good job.

Dave B 09-05-2010 09:07 AM

Nice numbers. What's up with the "Kansas" comparison?

Grand_hustle17 09-05-2010 09:17 AM

nice runs.... i need to get some tires too... high 13's is possible

krazy6 09-05-2010 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by Nealoc187 (Post 7721940)
well if you can fit 16s you can get Hoosier Quick Time Pros, ET Streets, or M&H Cheaters (you have to have a really wide wheel for the M&H though).

Mickey also makes a 17" ET Street, but it similarly would require a really really wide wheel.

BTW nice consistency. Good job.

I'm hoping I can find a 16" wheel that fits my car. That gives me another inch of sidewall, which should help. The tire I was looking at in that size is the 26x9.5-16 QTP. My friend has those for his impala, and I noticed that the tires alone were much lighter than any mickey I have held. Those will be the ones I get if I can fit a 16" wheel. Really nice tires! :laugh:

Thanks!


Originally Posted by Dave B (Post 7722230)
Nice numbers. What's up with the "Kansas" comparison?

Thanks!

I'm comparing what I ran in Kansas and what I ran in California. The difference in the California times were the drag radials. My mph was also slightly better in California. Better DA.


Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17 (Post 7722238)
nice runs.... i need to get some tires too... high 13's is possible

Thanks!
Yeah tires are needed. My 1/8th mile times were so much better on drag radials than on street tires. They will only get better with a bias ply as well.
If I can run the same 8.7 1/8th out here, it should translate into around a 13.7.

Dave B 09-05-2010 09:52 AM

What track in Kansas is this? I'm in Kansas City and usually run at KCIR. Haven't run in years though.

krazy6 09-05-2010 10:00 AM

Kansas International Dragway (KID)
http://www.kidragway.com/

505max94se 09-05-2010 12:08 PM

nice times for street tires. That's some good, consistent driving right there, nice work! Curious to see what it does with headers, slicks, and a low da.

krazy6 09-05-2010 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by 505max94se (Post 7722428)
nice times for street tires. That's some good, consistent driving right there, nice work! Curious to see what it does with headers, slicks, and a low da.

Thanks man!

Headers are definitely needed, but I think I am gonna try to get it as fast as possible with the stock manifolds/cats.

I'm gonna try to get it hooking first. I got to try to find a solution to getting a good tire over these big brakes.
Gonna run some rubber spring boosters in the rear to stiffen up the suspension also.
Gonna do some homemade solid motor mounts. lol
I'm also gonna try to figure out some sort of ram air.

Grand_hustle17 09-06-2010 10:31 AM

^^ no point, just upgrade the headers, i remember my auto 5th gen doing 15.0 which was second fastest for auto 5th gens, no point though... just upgrade ur mods to upgrade ur times

505max94se 09-06-2010 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17 (Post 7723528)
^^ no point, just upgrade the headers, i remember my auto 5th gen doing 15.0 which was second fastest for auto 5th gens, no point though... just upgrade ur mods to upgrade ur times

:confused: Ram air? Hooking better will make his et lower. Traction is just as important as power...

Grand_hustle17 09-06-2010 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by 505max94se (Post 7723604)
:confused: Ram air? Hooking better will make his et lower. Traction is just as important as power...

and i do not disagree, if you read earlier in the thread you would've seen where i said i wanted tires too.... what im saying is whether he gets better traction now it would still be better if he had the upgraded headers... lemme ask you something, would you prefer hitting a 2.0 or even a 1.9 60' with I/E or I/H/E???

krazy6 09-06-2010 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17 (Post 7723528)
^^ no point, just upgrade the headers, i remember my auto 5th gen doing 15.0 which was second fastest for auto 5th gens, no point though... just upgrade ur mods to upgrade ur times

There is definitely a point. I can drop the times a ton with a better DA and good traction. Eventually I'll put some headers on the car, but then I'll pretty much have to get it tuned. $$$

Originally Posted by 505max94se (Post 7723604)
:confused: Ram air?

I found that removing the driver side "turning light" provides a path directly to the filter. We'll see if that makes a difference. The next test and tune isn't for awhile so I am going to see what I can do to the car in the time being.

Originally Posted by 505max94se (Post 7723604)
Hooking better will make his et lower. Traction is just as important as power...

I couldn't agree more, traction is everything for drag racing.
I want to get this thing pulling 1.7-1.8 60fts. Then the times will really drop, with no added power.

ed_maxima14 09-06-2010 01:22 PM

good luck dawg....i never ran on a track....i will in two weeks.....

krazy6 09-06-2010 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by ed_maxima14 (Post 7723675)
good luck dawg....i never ran on a track....i will in two weeks.....

Good luck to you too! :D

505max94se 09-06-2010 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17 (Post 7723645)
and i do not disagree, if you read earlier in the thread you would've seen where i said i wanted tires too.... what im saying is whether he gets better traction now it would still be better if he had the upgraded headers... lemme ask you something, would you prefer hitting a 2.0 or even a 1.9 60' with I/E or I/H/E???

Of course a i/h/e would be better with traction than just i/e with traction. You were saying that there's no point to improve traction and to just get headers. Honestly, I'd prefer hitting a 1.6-1.7 60' with i/h/e. ;)

It's too bad I can't make any more passes in my car this season, because I'm almost positive it would pull at least a 1.69 60' or better.

505max94se 09-06-2010 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by krazy6 (Post 7723649)
I found that removing the driver side "turning light" provides a path directly to the filter. We'll see if that makes a difference. The next test and tune isn't for awhile so I am going to see what I can do to the car in the time being.

I know ram helps a bit, but I was asking Grand_hustle17 if he was saying that there's no point to do ram air or no point to improve traction.


Originally Posted by krazy6 (Post 7723649)
I couldn't agree more, traction is everything for drag racing. I want to get this thing pulling 1.7-1.8 60fts. Then the times will really drop, with no added power.

:nod:

tonedef 09-06-2010 03:28 PM

nice times, traction is definitely vital.

I guess fifteens will not fit over my ser brakes either.... hmmmmm..

I just picked up some of those racingline traction rods for cheap, now I just have to swap my clutch and figure out this tire situation. whatever u pick keep us posted.

cant wait to put some slips up, finally...

nice times and good luck!

krazy6 09-06-2010 04:28 PM

Talking to a guy in arizona about shipping some FD RX7 wheels with some 26x10.5-16 ET streets on them. If the shipping cost isn't through the roof I am getting them. Hopefully, they fit without having to grind. If they don't, I'm prepared to grind the sh1t out of the brakes. :D

This combo should work out pretty well.
The FD wheels only weigh around 15lbs, I think even less, and the ET streets actually turn out to be a 8.5 tread width. Should be more than enough tire.

Grand_hustle17 09-07-2010 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by 505max94se (Post 7723754)
Of course a i/h/e would be better with traction than just i/e with traction. You were saying that there's no point to improve traction and to just get headers. Honestly, I'd prefer hitting a 1.6-1.7 60' with i/h/e. ;)

It's too bad I can't make any more passes in my car this season, because I'm almost positive it would pull at least a 1.69 60' or better.

why would i say that when i myself is trying to get tires also... i was saying no point in squeezing the best times out of i/e when you are going to get headers shortly, i/h/e will probebly still yeild a better time than i/e and traction as you will still spin, just minimal

krazy6 09-07-2010 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17 (Post 7725100)
i/h/e will probebly still yeild a better time than i/e and traction as you will still spin, just minimal

I disagree.
My car will be dead hooking when I get the tires and suspension figured out.
I would bet money that a intake, exhaust, slicked car would beat a intake, header, exhaust, street tire car anyday.

505max94se 09-07-2010 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by krazy6 (Post 7725142)
I disagree.
My car will be dead hooking when I get the tires and suspension figured out.
I would bet money that a intake, exhaust, slicked car would beat a intake, header, exhaust, street tire car anyday.

:nod:

krazy6 09-07-2010 06:08 PM


Originally Posted by 505max94se (Post 7725423)
:nod:

Hey, what's up with your maxima?
You fix it yet?

Fun watching that beast make passes. :D

Grand_hustle17 09-07-2010 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by krazy6 (Post 7725142)
I disagree.
My car will be dead hooking when I get the tires and suspension figured out.
I would bet money that a intake, exhaust, slicked car would beat a intake, header, exhaust, street tire car anyday.

that cant really be measured accurately, if you are pulling 2.0' (which i am) radials will probebly help my times by .2 seconds im sure the addition of headers would equal more than .2 seconds (again this is just generally speaking as this isnt as easy to compare) slicks im not so sure about as i donnt really look much into em... i should though

505max94se 09-07-2010 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by krazy6 (Post 7725465)
Hey, what's up with your maxima?
You fix it yet?

Fun watching that beast make passes. :D

Nope, it's not fixed yet. :( My hours at work were cut way back and I haven't been able to afford to fix it. I did just get a new job, so it should be fixed soon (with direct port:wall:).

Thanks. Even though the quality sucks, I still love watching my videos. lol.

505max94se 09-07-2010 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17 (Post 7725695)
that cant really be measured accurately, if you are pulling 2.0' (which i am) radials will probebly help my times by .2 seconds im sure the addition of headers would equal more than .2 seconds (again this is just generally speaking as this isnt as easy to compare) slicks im not so sure about as i donnt really look much into em... i should though

He's pulling a 2.2x 60ft. He should be able to pull a 1.7-1.8 60ft with slicks. That's .4 to .5 seconds just off the 60ft et, which has an even greater time shaving impact to the total 1/4 mile et. I would guess shaving that much off of the 60ft et would shave off .6 to .7 seconds off of the 1/4 mile et (just a guess). Headers wouldn't do that much alone. Headers would also make it harder to launch on street tires. I think we can all agree that headers AND slicks is the way to go. ;)

krazy6 09-08-2010 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by 505max94se (Post 7725823)
Nope, it's not fixed yet. :( My hours at work were cut way back and I haven't been able to afford to fix it. I did just get a new job, so it should be fixed soon (with direct port:wall:).

Thanks. Even though the quality sucks, I still love watching my videos. lol.

My favorite one is this one on your streetfire:
http://www.streetfire.net/video/92-m...iew_728654.htm
Love hearing the unit come on hard. :D


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