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Phatsta Feb 18, 2005 10:20 AM

won't start
 
OK it's very moist outside. It's raining at the moment, temp is about 3-4 degrees C, and the snow is slowly melting away. the max has been standing at the same spot unstarted since wednesday morning, and today (friday) night I wanted to drive it home. well now it won't start.

I've had this problem some time before but after trying for a couple of minutes it did start and I haven't seen this problem again until now. it was moist outside at that time as well.

everything seems fine until I turn the key. the engine turns over nice and fast but it doesn't ignite. it does ignite like on one cylinder every 5 seconds but it doesn't want to start up it just goes on trying. I tried to listen for the fuel pump when I turn the key but I can't hear much and I usually don't so I'm not sure that's the problem. and it smells gasoline like hell so that's not my first guess. second guess is wrong mixture or too rich fuel feed.

considering the fact that this only happens when the weather is moist, could it be the air flow sensor (o2 sensor?) or what would you think?

Jeff92se Feb 18, 2005 10:31 AM

Condensation inside the dist cap. Remove it and inspect. If wet, dry.

Wiking Feb 18, 2005 10:41 AM


Originally Posted by Phatsta
OK it's very moist outside. It's raining at the moment, temp is about 3-4 degrees C, ....
considering the fact that this only happens when the weather is moist, could it be the air flow sensor (o2 sensor?) or what would you think?

Hi! Long see no time... (Now we both start to pay 100% more on our kyoto air electricity. How fresh the air seems now. love thy taxes.)

I was looking from the sat that u get snow...

- U got clycol on u distr & wirings: works like a sponge. wet weather it sucks, dry weather no problim. u know, clean the...

- O2 comes into pic only after warmup period. Uses TPS until that. Nnnnooo, not MAF. Its the clycol granules hiccup inside engine bay.

Phatsta Feb 18, 2005 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Jeff92se
Condensation inside the dist cap. Remove it and inspect. If wet, dry.

I did, first thing. It was dry though but I wiped it off with a cloth anyhow. and I also removed some oxidation on the metal thereunder as well. still no go.

wiking; hey, yeah too long! been working my **s off... who's to blame when the damn taxes are ripping a hole in my bank account... "&/(#&%%!!!! I'm telling you it's hitting rock bottom any day now. people are sick n tired of paying but not getting anything in return. I'd guess a major revolution is about to happen, or something... hope so anyways ;) some guy calculated on the tax situation in sweden at the moment. he concluded that an average family works monday, tuesday, wednesday and half of thursday away in taxes and gets rest of thursday and friday for themselves. that including shorter work hours on fridays. that's ****ing scary.

back to topic!

in fact I did get glycol (that's what you mean right?) everywhere in the engine bay a couple of times when the engine heated a while back. would that harm wirings and such or do you mean I just have to clean them and it'd be fine?

mirclbob Feb 18, 2005 02:35 PM

You need to trouble shoot your no start problem. Do you have spark? 12V at ign coil or power transistor? Does rotor turn while starting? Do you have fuel pressure? Smell fuel? Injectors clicking? If you have no spark & 12v at coil then my first guess would be dirty or bad conact at ECU 1 & 2 pins. Remove batt. neg., remove ECU to harness bolt, spray with QD electronic cleaner (Napa, Pep boys ect) Let dry several hours or overnight. Bob

Wiking Feb 18, 2005 11:29 PM


Originally Posted by Phatsta
...who's to blame when the damn taxes are ripping a hole in my bank account...
back to topic!

in fact I did get glycol (that's what you mean right?) everywhere in the engine bay a couple of times when the engine heated a while back. would that harm wirings and such or do you mean I just have to clean them and it'd be fine?

Glycol:
Cooling liquid is H2O + clycol & additives. Water evaporates, glycol granules are there (u don see 'em.) These microgranules work like a sponges. Wet weather: it sucks humidity from air, dry weather is no problim. They are all over the engine bay as u said; use water hose to clean the bay (and sigh get TPS flooded).

Only way is to take the ign wirings, cap, 'into bathroom' and soak well with lots of water. All wires have to be out from sockets. Dry. Install. Drive.

Offtopic:
We are lucky, our air is clean from 16th of this month and now forever: kyoto treason... The tab is not yet here: all electricity will be at least 2x when it hit$. Our american brothers have to breathe that bad, cheap air (bouhaha). (Still smbody calls bush id iot?) Somebody said it will cost 50 trillion €uros to "lower the temp 0,07degrees during next 50 yrs". The tempearture that has actually never risen!!! A lot of money, all for the crooks... and our state ctrolled media gets fat on top of camel oil.
Btw. The tax level all together is 90% and over, all scandinavia. Some have it over 100%, and its not fair y or tale... [thats when the taxes come and rip the saved bank accounts and force to sell property for taxes. We already live in national socialism: hitler won... insane greed]
They are laughing at cayman islands, can u hear 'em? Like big band of brothers; its cosy, you would laugh also if u werent an ant for their system.

Phatsta Feb 19, 2005 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by Wiking
Only way is to take the ign wirings, cap, 'into bathroom' and soak well with lots of water. All wires have to be out from sockets. Dry. Install. Drive.

I'll try that! Thanks :)


Originally Posted by Wiking
Offtopic:
We are lucky, our air is clean from 16th of this month and now forever: kyoto treason...

I'm not really updated on that kyoto deal... Haven't watched tv in ages so I guess I need a general update of whats happening in the world :D

Btw it's time again. Tax declaration. Time to pay even more. Every damn year I get the slip and it's telling me 'you have only paid almost all your money last year. You need to pay a little more' and I usually get like 5000SEK (€400?) more to pay. That sucks.

Wiking Feb 19, 2005 01:24 AM


Originally Posted by Phatsta
I'll try that! Thanks :) I'm not really updated on that kyoto deal... Haven't watched tv in ages so I guess I need a general update of whats happening in the world :D ...
...That sucks.

Kyoto is based on pure fantasy and smbodies wanting to rob nations: they constantly drum in paid media about "glob all war muppetshow": the fact is there is none! The measured so called warming is less than the measurement error margin. For zillion myriad reasons the accuracy in 150years of measurement howers somewhere one degree. The measured "warming" is about 0,5degree celcius. Bouhaha. --->Where one gets 2500 people to agree on one issue? At Saddam party & rio de janeiro weather scientists "meetings". How was that massaged?

[Do not get me wrong: I hate the real intentional polluters.] But the real ones get free ticket: they BELONG to this kyoto treason group...
The proper socialismusspeak: ..."the lightening of your taxation". [u feel real light with empty pockets]

update:
"Haven't watched tv in ages so I guess I need a general update of whats happening in the world" ...well THAT is a good start! Dont then go for the state TV pro pagan da! Try information based on some facts, this is a good start: http://www.junkscience.com/

Theres a counter:
Since coming into effect February 16, 2005, the Kyoto Protocol has cost about 1.444.444.444$
while the potential temperature saving by the year 2050 so far achieved by Kyoto is 0.000014874 °C
(to get activity on the clock we had to go to billionths part of one degree, which obviously cannot be measured as a global mean)


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NOW:

The proper .org issue: Try looking at night under the hood as smbdy starts u horses: u get to see real nice aurora theater... all the electrons jumping around.

Phatsta Feb 19, 2005 09:34 AM

Alright I found the problem. I couldn't see it without the car running because it was so small. The distributor cap has a crack on one side. Not so strange that some moist got in there and messed it all up. A new dist cap it is!

Thanks guys!

Wiking Feb 19, 2005 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Phatsta
Alright I found the problem. I couldn't see it without the car running because it was so small. The distributor cap has a crack on one side. Not so strange that some moist got in there and messed it all up. A new dist cap it is!

Thanks guys!


Btw. Sounds familiar. First investment was new cap from US... seems like the last sounds againn: *bosch*

Phatsta Feb 20, 2005 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Wiking
Btw. Sounds familiar. First investment was new cap from US... seems like the last sounds againn: *bosch*

Actually I'm using parts from Mekonomen. It's a chain here that sells quality parts for almost all brands, they also leave a 3 year warranty on all their stuff. A new cap is 265SEK (around €20) so I won't be ruined because of this :)


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