wondering why their are not more ve's out there/turbo
 

I find that ve /turbo's are a rare bunch I want to do mine but,I heard the cams and the vtc's tend to be a problem,anyway the vg guy's have the z32 part's to go to, can the ve guy's do the same or do we have to go custom or stay stock? Anyone is welcome to comment,and opinions as well.THANK YOU.

There are way more VG Maximas than VE, hence more VG turbos. You could talk about available/compatable parts and compresion ratios but when you look at the numbers I think it has more to do with a greater number of VGs being out there.

Well my point was that ve seems to have more power gains,but the vg have the 300zx tt parts like for intance their pistons, connecting rods and valves springs to name a few could we use them? do we share parts with the vg in any way? because I would like to build up a ve and boost it.Has anyone done this yet?

PM this guy..:)

http://forums.maxima.org/member.php?u=30055

my ve has had tt pistons and rods since 2002.:hide: Rods are the same and tt pistons drop right in

Are the tt pistons manufactured through a different process than the VE ones to make them stronger? What other differences are there between them?

TT pistons are lower compression, better for turbo application.

the z32 n/a pistons have a higher compression than the VEs and they also work with a VE.

I think the answer to the initial question is, the VG is a little easier to turbo with more useable parts from other models, notably, the VG30ET found in the z31.

Pretty much everything has to be fabricated for the VE, just adding to the difficulty level. Plus, these cars are fairly large and heavy with a cast iron bottom end, making a VQ a better candidate with the same 190 hp DOHC V6, only it's lighter and has no VTCs to mess with.

Would you like to buy some custom turbo manifolds and a downpipe for your VE?

maximusve92 actually started a thread in that attempt:
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=524263

You can use TT rods in the VG though the pistons aren't recommended as the compression ratio will be very different than what is rated for the TT. Custom pistons would be the best route as you can match them to the TT rods and have the c/r you want. The TT rods aren't much of an upgrade though, in my opinion. The stock rods can handle a ton of abuse and aren't all that much smaller than the TT rods. Valve springs don't swap that I know of. VG guys use the VG30ET/Z31 parts like said above.

505max9se p.m. me some pics,I let you know or just e-mail me.

VG owners have the time and energy to think about boost. VE owners have to spend that time replacing knock sensors, rebuilding VTCs or swapping engines. Also, there's less space in the VE engine bay. It's obviously possible since there are a few turbo VEs, but just more of a hassle to do i'd assume.

I have done all that, now it time for forced induction.

good post. I think I will have to agree...:lol:

Don't forget replacing manual transmissions/input shaft bearings.

BTW, do you know anyone that wants to replace some VTCs or put in new ISBs?

that should get done when the trans. gets cryoed-treated

Turbo charging the VE is no different than doing the VQ. The same amount of fabrication will have to be done on both engine set ups. Now you won't see too many turbo VE's because of the age of the car and the fact that engine was only available for 3 model years vs the VQs 95+. Now the VG's can source parts from a Z31 at low cost with way less fabrication. IIRC I believe the VG30DE(TT) exhaust manifold gaskets have the same bolt pattern as the VE. If so then maybe there is enough room to use the DETT manifolds + turbos. However lack of space would require a cross over tube like the way Z31 turbos are ran. In the end 99% of VE owners do not want to spend the $$ to turbo their cars :sadpace:. I'd do it if someone wanted to trade their VE for my se-r lol :naughty:.

If you had an SE-R with a Pulsar GTiR engine swap, I would do it. Heck, even a Bluebird SR swap would get it done.

I tried that in the past (space in the rear is very tight). Its alot easier to fab a reverse y-pipe than play with z32 manifolds

i would like 2 do turbo but my engine is nowhere near that stage

how about a B13 with an SR20VE swap :hide:

and maybe a bumper option thrown in there some where? :P

I think the biggest reason is its so much harder to tune the VE's ecu. Aaron hasn't cracked it, while the VG's ecu can be chipped and tuned a few different ways.

The actual fabrication really isn't any different for a GOOD turbo kit VG or VE. Just look at Maxmaxima91's setup. With VE flanges and a different cold pipe setup that would work just as well for a VE as a VG.

The major issue is the stock ecu can't be tuned. And very few people want to go the standalone route. And with the stock 10:1 compression GOOD tuning is a requirement past 350whp or so. Swap in some TT pistons and your set as far as strength goes but tuning is still the issue.

~Alex

Buyer of the blue car

Buyer of the black car

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I want something significantly faster than my VE. The only thing I really am looking at are a 91-94 SE-R with a SR20DET or a 4th gen with the 3.5L swap. Possibly a swapped 240sx, but the more I think about it, the less I want one of those.

The guy that bought the blue car was a mechanic?

I meant do you know anyone that wants to do the work on mine. :lol:

I feel that many people under estimate the engine in the ve. I have been boosting this motor for over 5yrs and a little more than 90,000 miles. I have not been able to explore the limits of the engine due to the weakest link (breaking the transmission). I rebuilt the tranny 4 times and even broke a new cryo treated 3rd gear . I have run the motor constantly above 15psi with bad vtc and the engine has held up. I started tuning the motor with a simple fmu and im currently tuning with AEM EMS (standalone). Once I clear the weakest link Im hoping to push the ve through uncharted hp territory.

I definitely want to mess with a VE down the road... but definitely in something RWD with a Z32 5-speed..... that would just be awesome. :D

To comment on the tuning thing... the Emanage blue hooks up very easily, and I am currently using that. It does most everything that is necessary for proper tuning (timing, IDC, air flow corrections, etc.).


^^ 4signs, I'm curious about the EMS. Are you using the unit designed for the Z32?

yup, that would be it.
http://www.aempower.com/Search.aspx

the unit is great, but I would only recommed it if you are planning to go beyond the 400hp mark. If I wasnt trying to push the envelope with power and play with meth/alch injection I would of stayed with a simple piggy back.

They have the VE listed now for plug and play. Very nice. :D

There are a few options, I'm sure an emanage would work. Another option is to convert to VG30DETT sensors and ecu, there is still JWT's ecu as an option. Their SR20DE turbo programs are plug/play while making great power without being unreliable. I believe a VE could make the same or better power than a VQ due to its VTC.

I've cracked it. :) I am just working the kinks out in order to get the Zemulator software working with the VE. But, it's not hard to install a daughterboard and get into chip burning. It's just I'd rather try my best to emulate instead of burn chips everytime I need to make an adjustment to the file.

lanedrifter is a member that has cracked the VE ECU a long time ago.

Don't worry aaron,most of us don't listen to alex anyway..;)