brad kay

I've been leaning towards getting an 00vi now with everything i read about it, but i'm just wondering what everyones opinion on the 00vi vs. MEVI w/ raised rev limiter is. One of the main reasons i like the 00vi better is the lowerend torque and the fact that getting a raised rev limiter with the MEVI has got to be somewhat hard on the heads after awhile.

Also where is everyone getting there 00vi if that is what you prefer?

larryseibel

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the 2000 vi is better but will probaly be more expensive to get and install. there is a lot of fabrication involved. plus you have to change the fuel injectors and cut and splice your wiring harness. its alot more work so dont think you can just buy one and bolt the sucker on.

mansurxk

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people have bolted that sucker on to the 4th gen lower IM, without havinv to change any injectors.

its costing me $160 for the IM, $95 for the adapters, $30 for an RPM switch. so far thats $290, ill need a few vacuum wires. but itll cost me like $350 when its all done.

laylow1988

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is someone doing it for you or you doing it your self

mansurxk

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i forgot to mention i gotta grind down a small piece of the rear valve cover and 2 of the coil packs. its been done by THT and nismo3112. its already on his car and running. im doing it myself, ive ordered the adapter plates from vsamylov got an RPM switch from Nismo3112 for when he did the same mod (he did the 3.5 swap so he no longer needs it). as for tapping the upper manifold, i guess ill pay someone to do that.

larryseibel

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you still have to fabricate the throttle plates for the iac...unless thats what the adapters you mention are. where are you getting adapters from? i would do the mod if i could get an adapter!

mansurxk

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vsamylov has the adapters, ill let you guys knw, theyre in transit right.

yeah theyre the IACV adapter and the TB plates.

eckohb

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I would do the 00VI, then get the raised limiter. Whats the fun in not having to fabricate something? Im waiting on my adapter plates, and my upper IM will be going on this week hopefully. Both VIs increase high end, but the fact that the 00VI creates the low end power is reason enough to install it over the MEVI.

Bobo

Wouldn't you be better off with the JWT or TS ecu than the MEVI?

eckohb

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For an automatic you would for sure. I would have gone that route, but I got the VI at a great price, and it wasnt going to be coming back around, so I picked that up and will go JWT later this summer. Just because the MEVI loses so much low end, it sorta equals out if you dont have the ECU, if not slows down the car in 1/4 mile racing.

Bobo

So my 95SE is a very low-mileage, 5-speed, with a K&N panel filter and a Budget y-pipe. What would be the best bang for the buck performance-enhancing mod I could do next?

Chief Brody

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00 vi plus the raised rev limiter is what you want.

Bobo

By raised rev limiter, do you mean the ecu or the MEVI with a raised rev limiter?

eckohb

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^^^what he said. The 00VI will end up costing you less, if not the same as the MEVI. And if you can find the lower IM wih the fuel rail, and injectors, then install will be much easier. But like i said, where's the fun in something when it's easy?

Bobo

What I'm confused about is how you go about raising the rev limiter?

Kevlo911

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You need a new ECU to have the raised limiter.

Bobo

That's what I thought. I just found the previous response to be unclear.

hacim105

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The 00VI is the more powerful manifold but it takes a lot more work to put on.

So it's up to you. You want a manifold that performs well and fairly easy to put on? Or do you want a manifold that performs better but is much more difficult? What it really boils down to is if your lazy or not.

mansurxk

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i'd rather go through the difficulty of install and gain midrange AND top-end than "lose" HP in the midrange with the MEVI. im getting a TS ECU anyway, and im also putting on the 00vi, thatll crush anything the MEVI has to offer.

Bobo

So you think the TS ecu is a better bet than the JWT for a 95SE? Is the turnaround time the determining factor?

eckohb

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TS can only extend the limiter on select ECUs, Im not sure if they can do it for 5 speeds yet. They do take significantly shorter time as opposed to JWT, but i want the extended limiter without any problems, so i will be going to JWT. JWT= about 6 weeks, TS=a couple of days.

eturnl

Is there are write-up on on the 00vi? I'm very interested in this. And i dont understand why on earth there needs to be fabrication?! i thought its the same fookin engine but different intake manifold??

mansurxk

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my determining factor is that im getting the ECU for cheap from another member and theres zero downtime. the JWT is probably better and you can do the rev extender, but i dont need a rev extender for an 00VI

mansurxk

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the engine is the same, the valve cover differs slightly, BUT the TB and the IACV are combined on the 2000 maxima (i think), whereas on the 4th gen theyre two separate pieces so you need adapters for both.

im not sure if you have to grind anything down if you use all parts from a 2000.

NmexMAX

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But it be much more fun with an extended rev limiter.

deezo

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I don't know about the MEVI being crushed by the 00VI. Until someone beats Neal's record with the 3.0\JWT\MEVI , the MEVI is still the top dog. Granted, the MEVI sucks without the ECU but the ECU makes thing much, much better.

Ninos_Maxima

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yeah there was a dyno up a while ago, the oovi has more hp in all curves, it desimates the MEVI

Powerman5115

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Does anyone have the '00VI with JWT ecu, or does the '00VI not put out power above 6500RPM? If I could get an adaptor plate for the IACV then I'd do this. Might just have to wait 'till it's more common to learn more about it.

Mooney

eckohb

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look at the dyno of a 00-01, thats pretty much what the dyno will be for your car.

AllMaxxedOut

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Out of curiousity to those that have the 2000vi, how much did it cost you guys? Seriously considering getting one as I'm not a fan of the MEVI.

DandyMax

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The fact that Neal's time is still standing is a testament to the feat it is. However, I don't think you can categorically use the 1/4 mile as a true comparison of a MEVI being the top dog over the 00VI. There are so many factors going into a 1/4 mile run. Track conditions, weather, weight, traction, other mods, individual health of the cars' engine and drivetrain etc. The only way we'd come close to really knowing is if Neal had swapped his MEVI for an 00VI and done some runs under similar track/weather conditions with nothing else changed on his car. But that ain't gonna happen now as far as I can gather. Plus, there are still only a handful of people with a 00VI on a N/A 3.0 so there isn't a large base of comparison yet either.

Therefore, IMO a dyno, although still not a perfect comparison, is probably a better indicator at this point. And so far, the few dynos we have seem to indicate that the 00VI does make more power and over just as wide a powerband as the MEVI (everything else being equal).

Just my 2 cents...

eckohb

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i got my 00VI upper IM for 175, then rpm switch was 45 bucks, adapters plates equal around 85 bucks.same price if not cheaper than the MEVI. only thing is its not a direct bolt on like the mevi.

btw, the 00VI peaks at around 6200 rpm, but doesnt drastically drop off like the USIM. Still continues past 6500 at a good rate. With me being an auto, that would be great with the extended rev limiter so with the drop resistor or valve body, im not in a dead spot going into the next gear.

Nealoc187

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I agree with dandymax. MEVI + JWT is great, but 00VI + JWT would be even better.

I'd estimate that changing just ECUs and intake manifolds would yeild these results as far as 1/4 mile is concerned.

JWT + 00VI would be fastest, followed by JWT + MEVI, then TS + 00VI, TS+MEVI, 00VI, and finally MEVI.

95maxrider

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I can say that the 00VI feels a lot stronger than the MEVI in all places. But that could also be due to some of the other changes they made to the DE-K such as cams etc....
Now I have my low-end back, and the top end screams even better (more power) than the MEVI. It's great. If you live near PA, go to Tilley and let him do the swap for you. He knows his way around these engines.

Luigi38

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If you don' mind me asking, how muh does he charge for the 00VI with parts and w/o parts?
really thinking about it.
thanks

95maxrider

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Couldn't tell ya...he did a full DE-K swap for me. Give him a call.

SDot82

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There is no set write up for installing the 00VI because there are many different ways you can install it. If you go to the all motor forum there should be plenty of threads on how to install this here is one such thread. 00VI thread

Nealoc187

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BTW to answer the original question, I have no doubt that a 4th gen with MEVI/JWT ECU would make for a faster car than one with just 00VI and no ecu.

SDot82

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This is very true but a max with 00VI/JWT ECU would be a faster car than a max with MEVI/JWT ECU and would be about the same price. Thats what most peolpe were trying to get at.

1chewabacha1

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okay. Now i'm just confused. I've been really interested in getting a MEVI because I've seen dynos posted in THIS forum saying that the MEVI was better. It had a MEVI dyno comparison along with a 00VI dyno comparison. Both were running a JWT ECU and PR style intake and had the same conditions. I can't remember what thread it was but i know what i saw. It clearly showed that the MEVI was better,

Does anyone have any proof of the 00VI power claims over the MEVI? Plz, let me see the dynos! Because everyone is planning to get an ECU and basic bolt ons, please use dynos with an aftermarket ECU, exhaust and intake.