Low range power loss with CAI?
#1
Low range power loss with CAI?
I was reading around these forums about cold air intakes and after some reading, I came to the assumption that although a CAI increases horsepower, some people experience a lower-end power loss as a result of this. Is there any truth to this?
I also read that with the installation of a y-pipe, the combination of the two can result in an even bigger horsepower gain. Is this true also? Would the installation of these two together, eliminate the lower-end power loss?
It's been a little while since I had a Maxima. One thing I do miss about it is the amazing community that surrounds them.
I also read that with the installation of a y-pipe, the combination of the two can result in an even bigger horsepower gain. Is this true also? Would the installation of these two together, eliminate the lower-end power loss?
It's been a little while since I had a Maxima. One thing I do miss about it is the amazing community that surrounds them.
#2
well people say there's low end power loss. i don't really think so, but i've had an air intake on the car so long i can't even remember what it felt like w/a stock air box. i used to have a cheapie autozone conical air intake, and just recently i upgraded to the injen CAI. i noticed some high end power increases from just the cone to the injen. i've heard the y-pipe regains low end torque, i just received my cattman, and i'll let you know once i put it on, hopefully tomorrow.
#8
what you could do supaneko is buy a "cheap as" ebay cai. then take the extra money and put your max on a dyno, then install the cai, and have another go of it. proof would be in the pudding then ! lol ! most dyno shops have dyno days or cheap days would be a perfect time to do it. other than doing something like that who knows ?
i loved the injen intakes looks but hated it, im just using the basic frankencar midpipe setup now. Like it much better.
Cattman headers are awesome, not positive on gains over a ypipe, some say 5hp ?
i loved the injen intakes looks but hated it, im just using the basic frankencar midpipe setup now. Like it much better.
Cattman headers are awesome, not positive on gains over a ypipe, some say 5hp ?
#9
Does anyone have any recommendations for an intake and header or y-pipe setup? I'd like to upgrade the intake if it doesn't result in any range of power loss.
I'm still curious as to whether or not the extra money required for the Cattman headers would actually warrant using those over a y-pipe that is several hundred dollars cheaper. Anyone?
I'm still curious as to whether or not the extra money required for the Cattman headers would actually warrant using those over a y-pipe that is several hundred dollars cheaper. Anyone?
#10
The fastest N/A 3L Maxima utilizes full cattman exhaust (Ie. H/C-B). I'm pretty sure Ceasar is the fastest N/A w/ USIM (could be wrong of course) and he has the same setup.
Intakes, well I can tell you what most agree is the best and thats either PRCAI w/ midpipe.. PRCAI w/stock resonator in lieu of midpipe.. or stock all together.
Intakes, well I can tell you what most agree is the best and thats either PRCAI w/ midpipe.. PRCAI w/stock resonator in lieu of midpipe.. or stock all together.
#11
Yep, I feel there's a noticeable loss in low-end torque. Just try pulling out somewhere in 2nd gear, with the throttle at WOT and see how dragged down the car feels.
I have no measurable facts behind this statement, but it sure seems like it. I still have mine on though, after 3 years. Don't have the time to switch it back ;-)
I have no measurable facts behind this statement, but it sure seems like it. I still have mine on though, after 3 years. Don't have the time to switch it back ;-)
#14
Originally Posted by supaneko
Does anyone have any recommendations for an intake and header or y-pipe setup? I'd like to upgrade the intake if it doesn't result in any range of power loss.
I'm still curious as to whether or not the extra money required for the Cattman headers would actually warrant using those over a y-pipe that is several hundred dollars cheaper. Anyone?
I'm still curious as to whether or not the extra money required for the Cattman headers would actually warrant using those over a y-pipe that is several hundred dollars cheaper. Anyone?
#15
Originally Posted by Apparition
nope.. PRCAI + Stock resonator= FTMFW
#16
Originally Posted by Godson
Hey app,i got the Catmann CAI about 3 days ago and havent had a minute to put it on yet...I had posted that i had heard from reputable sources(you,lol) that the PR or Catmann/stock resonator was a very good option. Most agreed while others said it was foolish to buy the Catmann as I coulda just bought a ebay look-alike,I looked at some the links they sent and they looked okay but I wasnt sure. Anyway my boy wants to buy one for his 97 andwas wondering should he kick out the bucks like i did to get the Catmann or should he get the cheaper ebay look-alike?Any real difference? I have no regrets getting the Catmann as I really like the look of it and I felt they gave me a decent deal on the other parts i ordered too,but if the ebay one is as good,my boy would rather kick out the 60 or dollars for that one,nut only if its as good,if not gonna get the Catmann
#17
Ok well don't buy the injen...ever. What a waste. And also, you bought a $200 intake because you liked the look better? Wow, what a waste as well. If your boy wants in intake then tell him to get an ebay one. Just make sure its not a short ram and get a k&n.
#20
Nmexmax, you're not helping...
supaneko, there's 2 kinds of cold air intake kits made for our cars: the injen style which targets the cone filter right behind the radiator fan. the placeracing style which requires you to drill a hole through the fender well by the battery, and the cone filter is placed inside the fender well.
Placeracing style is what I've gotten, I've experienced low to mid range gains, but it feels a little loss up top. That's my experience. Intakes are cheap mods, just buy one and try it out. It's not going to empty your bank. I wouldn't get the injen style CAI simply because it sits right behind the radiator fan, and that's just dessipated heat heading into the filter. Ha! that just knocks off the purpose of being cold air, doesn't it?
supaneko, there's 2 kinds of cold air intake kits made for our cars: the injen style which targets the cone filter right behind the radiator fan. the placeracing style which requires you to drill a hole through the fender well by the battery, and the cone filter is placed inside the fender well.
Placeracing style is what I've gotten, I've experienced low to mid range gains, but it feels a little loss up top. That's my experience. Intakes are cheap mods, just buy one and try it out. It's not going to empty your bank. I wouldn't get the injen style CAI simply because it sits right behind the radiator fan, and that's just dessipated heat heading into the filter. Ha! that just knocks off the purpose of being cold air, doesn't it?
#22
Originally Posted by GodFather
Nmexmax, you're not helping...
supaneko, there's 2 kinds of cold air intake kits made for our cars: the injen style which targets the cone filter right behind the radiator fan. the placeracing style which requires you to drill a hole through the fender well by the battery, and the cone filter is placed inside the fender well.
Placeracing style is what I've gotten, I've experienced low to mid range gains, but it feels a little loss up top. That's my experience. Intakes are cheap mods, just buy one and try it out. It's not going to empty your bank. I wouldn't get the injen style CAI simply because it sits right behind the radiator fan, and that's just dessipated heat heading into the filter. Ha! that just knocks off the purpose of being cold air, doesn't it?
supaneko, there's 2 kinds of cold air intake kits made for our cars: the injen style which targets the cone filter right behind the radiator fan. the placeracing style which requires you to drill a hole through the fender well by the battery, and the cone filter is placed inside the fender well.
Placeracing style is what I've gotten, I've experienced low to mid range gains, but it feels a little loss up top. That's my experience. Intakes are cheap mods, just buy one and try it out. It's not going to empty your bank. I wouldn't get the injen style CAI simply because it sits right behind the radiator fan, and that's just dessipated heat heading into the filter. Ha! that just knocks off the purpose of being cold air, doesn't it?
This is the only guy who got it right.. That's all I'll say.
#23
*LOL* I'm still quite a bit confused.
If I was going to get a CAI, it would definitely be a PR one. Though, I have seen a few on eBay that (maybe) route the filter into the fender. Of course, if there is a loss in power in one of the ranges, I just don't want to do it.
As far as the headers go... My plan was to upgrade to Cattman headers, then follow with a hi-flow cat, then Cattman b-pipe, and continue to use the stock muffler (I want power but not the noise). Would these be an alright setup? Is the hi-flow cat. even necessary? Would there be much difference in using just the Cattman b-pipe and stock muffler or should I go "all-out" with the Cattman catback?
If I was going to get a CAI, it would definitely be a PR one. Though, I have seen a few on eBay that (maybe) route the filter into the fender. Of course, if there is a loss in power in one of the ranges, I just don't want to do it.
As far as the headers go... My plan was to upgrade to Cattman headers, then follow with a hi-flow cat, then Cattman b-pipe, and continue to use the stock muffler (I want power but not the noise). Would these be an alright setup? Is the hi-flow cat. even necessary? Would there be much difference in using just the Cattman b-pipe and stock muffler or should I go "all-out" with the Cattman catback?
#24
Ok well..
1. You wont get a PR intake since they arnt made anymore. You will only lose a little high end power anyway.
2. Get a y first not headers.
3. Do not start a mod with a highflow cat. They do absolutely nothing for the car.
4. Get a new b as well as the y.
1. You wont get a PR intake since they arnt made anymore. You will only lose a little high end power anyway.
2. Get a y first not headers.
3. Do not start a mod with a highflow cat. They do absolutely nothing for the car.
4. Get a new b as well as the y.
#26
Originally Posted by Apparition
nope.. PRCAI + Stock resonator= FTMFW
#27
ok...dont give me abunch of newb crab but this is a newb question i know... can any of you just explain to me what part is wich. i baught the ebay cai and k/n filter. i installed with the filter behind the radiator. felt good at first. good sound goin past 5000 rpms. noticed that it wasnt pullin as good top end so i pulled the long part off and put the filter on the end of the short part and MAF. got alittle better. replaced knock sensor and got way better. should i put the cai back on or just still with wehat ive got now.
#28
Originally Posted by skweaky
ok...dont give me abunch of newb crab but this is a newb question i know... can any of you just explain to me what part is wich. i baught the ebay cai and k/n filter. i installed with the filter behind the radiator. felt good at first. good sound goin past 5000 rpms. noticed that it wasnt pullin as good top end so i pulled the long part off and put the filter on the end of the short part and MAF. got alittle better. replaced knock sensor and got way better. should i put the cai back on or just still with wehat ive got now.
you have terrible grammar and spelling..
#31
Originally Posted by skweaky
ok...dont give me abunch of newb crab but this is a newb question i know... can any of you just explain to me what part is wich. i baught the ebay cai and k/n filter. i installed with the filter behind the radiator. felt good at first. good sound goin past 5000 rpms. noticed that it wasnt pullin as good top end so i pulled the long part off and put the filter on the end of the short part and MAF. got alittle better. replaced knock sensor and got way better. should i put the cai back on or just still with wehat ive got now.
#32
Originally Posted by MaximaSE96
i have a cone filter on....only because i cleaned my K&N and i need my car before the filter ws dry and havent had time to put stock air box on which i miss dearly
#33
well FWIW i had my injen wai installed today(got a hell of a price) and i do notice a difference in power. and of course it sounds SICK. I think i am going to modify it a bit, i am going to add another section of piping so it re-locates the filter farther away from the rad.
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