looong cranks, losing fuel pressure??
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looong cranks, losing fuel pressure??
UPDATE 01/11/07:Problem Found>http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....ght=hard+start
anyone else experiencing something similar. READ THIS THREAD! It fixed my problem> To sum it up you need to run a ground from the starter bolts to the tranny, I also added one from the tranny ground point to the strut mount stud(body)
just looking for some advice, car has 213,000KM,
just recently after the car has cooled down (a few hours) it'll crank over, 'half' fire, then crank again, repeats for a good 8 cranks.
If I give it a shot of throttle when it 'half' fires she'll start up.
Seems to me (guessin) that im losing fuel pressure after it sits.
Is there a pressure check valve or something of the sort that could be allowing it to lose its prime when its sitting for any length of time, or what/how show I check? only other thing I can think is a relay, but it only does it after it sits for an hour or two. Its a 5spd.
Any advice would be great. sure someone has experienced this, damn maximas the run great, if you can get em runnin, thanks for any help.
matt
anyone else experiencing something similar. READ THIS THREAD! It fixed my problem> To sum it up you need to run a ground from the starter bolts to the tranny, I also added one from the tranny ground point to the strut mount stud(body)
just looking for some advice, car has 213,000KM,
just recently after the car has cooled down (a few hours) it'll crank over, 'half' fire, then crank again, repeats for a good 8 cranks.
If I give it a shot of throttle when it 'half' fires she'll start up.
Seems to me (guessin) that im losing fuel pressure after it sits.
Is there a pressure check valve or something of the sort that could be allowing it to lose its prime when its sitting for any length of time, or what/how show I check? only other thing I can think is a relay, but it only does it after it sits for an hour or two. Its a 5spd.
Any advice would be great. sure someone has experienced this, damn maximas the run great, if you can get em runnin, thanks for any help.
matt
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I Know What it is, Give me 2 minutes to look up the part name.
Edit:
Its the tempature coolant sensor, IIRC it was 17 bucks at autozone and all you need to change it is a 19mmn
wrench.
http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,.../selectZip.htm
Edit:
Its the tempature coolant sensor, IIRC it was 17 bucks at autozone and all you need to change it is a 19mmn
wrench.
http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,.../selectZip.htm
Last edited by Hammy; 10-16-2007 at 08:18 PM.
#4
i had a weird crank recently that was fixed by replacing the starter
check my video and tell me if its similar to your problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b6-nN0mr4c
check my video and tell me if its similar to your problem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b6-nN0mr4c
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I Know What it is, Give me 2 minutes to look up the part name.
Edit:
Its the tempature coolant sensor, IIRC it was 17 bucks at autozone and all you need to change it is a 19mmn
wrench.
http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,.../selectZip.htm
Edit:
Its the tempature coolant sensor, IIRC it was 17 bucks at autozone and all you need to change it is a 19mmn
wrench.
http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,.../selectZip.htm
#7
AAAAhahahahahah thats hilarious - yeah its called the Canadian Mod and its available anywhere in CANADA
yeah i wish i could drive that fast, and BTW if the government does not want people to speed then why not put a chip in every car that tops out the speed at 100 Km\h (maximum legal speed limit in Ontario)
PS im not canadian btw i just live here
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I'm going to look more into it though, You may be right.
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Check 'ur coolant level first (K.I.S.S.), check your FIC (Fast-Idle-Cam) It's a small plunger on your throttle body that applies throttle when your engine is cold, it retracts away from the throttle bracket once warm coolant begins to pass through it, it has an adjustment, and steps for doing so can be found in the FSM, EC-29.
Last edited by KRRZ350; 10-16-2007 at 11:19 PM.
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AAAAhahahahahah thats hilarious - yeah its called the Canadian Mod and its available anywhere in CANADA
yeah i wish i could drive that fast, and BTW if the government does not want people to speed then why not put a chip in every car that tops out the speed at 100 Km\h (maximum legal speed limit in Ontario)
PS im not canadian btw i just live here
yeah i wish i could drive that fast, and BTW if the government does not want people to speed then why not put a chip in every car that tops out the speed at 100 Km\h (maximum legal speed limit in Ontario)
PS im not canadian btw i just live here
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Thanks for the feedback,
andrei it is similar to your vid, just more cranking in between fire's.
my starter is new however.
coolant's good, ill have to inspect this FIC tomorrow. Good info never would have known that man appreciate it. Ill keep updated.
andrei it is similar to your vid, just more cranking in between fire's.
my starter is new however.
Check 'ur coolant level first (K.I.S.S.), check your FIC (Fast-Idle-Cam) It's a small plunger on your throttle body that applies throttle when your engine is cold, it retracts away from the throttle bracket once warm coolant begins to pass through it, it has an adjustment, and steps for doing so can be found in the FSM, EC-29.
#12
My issue is hard starts after the car has been sitting for a while and cools down, so I dont think it could be this. As for Starter troubles, having had this porblem with previous cars I am certain it is not that. Will do somemore tinkering this weekend. Thanks
#13
hey man, i got the same problem, i have had it for some time...and now with the weather cooling down, it seems harder and harder...so if you figure this one out, let me know what you did please!
and if i solve mine i will let you know...
i have had a similar problem it ended up being the ignition switch...
and if i solve mine i will let you know...
i have had a similar problem it ended up being the ignition switch...
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I Know What it is, Give me 2 minutes to look up the part name.
Edit:
Its the tempature coolant sensor, IIRC it was 17 bucks at autozone and all you need to change it is a 19mmn
wrench.
http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,.../selectZip.htm
Edit:
Its the tempature coolant sensor, IIRC it was 17 bucks at autozone and all you need to change it is a 19mmn
wrench.
http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,.../selectZip.htm
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I Know What it is, Give me 2 minutes to look up the part name.
Edit:
Its the tempature coolant sensor, IIRC it was 17 bucks at autozone and all you need to change it is a 19mmn
wrench.
http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,.../selectZip.htm
Edit:
Its the tempature coolant sensor, IIRC it was 17 bucks at autozone and all you need to change it is a 19mmn
wrench.
http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,.../selectZip.htm
#17
Similiar but different hard start
Longgggggggggg crank when starting first thing in the morning AND also if car has sat for half hour or sometimes even 15 minutes, so its not hot/cold issue. It will start instantly if I interrupt the initial crank (let off the key) and immediatly turn the key again and crank it a second time whether it is hot or cold! Happens every time, second turn of key and the car starts instantly like it was new. Changed fuel/air filters, using 93 oct, suspect fuel regulator issue?
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Longgggggggggg crank when starting first thing in the morning AND also if car has sat for half hour or sometimes even 15 minutes, so its not hot/warm issue. It will start instantly if I interrupt the initial crank (let off the key) and immediatly turn the key again and crank it a second time! Happens every time, second turn of key and the car starts instantly like it was new. Changed fuel/air filters, using 93 oct, suspect fuel regulator issue?
I wonder now, because it seems to do it after only 15mins of sitting, if it could be a relay, starter most likely, at least i would assume so because of the crank/letoff/crank right away. Im goin out right now to check the other suggestions Ill let you all know what turns up,
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i have the same problem . where is this part located http://www.autozone.com/selectedZip,.../selectZip.htm ? if i want to change it?
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Still no luck, getting worse
ok sorry for the late update,
ive checked the FIC, all apears good there,
and the CTS, is this not the ECTS ?(engine coolant temp sensor/engine temp sensor). In checking the FIC you also check the ECTS correct?, so it should be good right?
I forgot to mention i have 1 code, but ive had it for 30,000km. its the EVAP 0903.
so i doubt it has any bearing here just wanted to mention.
I'm still lost, and it seems to be getting worse, have not noticed much difference between cold/hot at all. the car runs mint when i get it going, so I truly am lost here. Im going to go out now and swap the starter relay, any other ideas though? thanks again for imput so far.
edit- swapping relay did nothing. If I just push in the clutch and crank, with no gas, not quick flips on the ingnition or anything, she cranks and cranks and cranks, FINALLY when it fires, bogs just a bit, and I can smell fuel. Im really puzzeled on this one, no idea where to look next,,,
ive checked the FIC, all apears good there,
and the CTS, is this not the ECTS ?(engine coolant temp sensor/engine temp sensor). In checking the FIC you also check the ECTS correct?, so it should be good right?
I forgot to mention i have 1 code, but ive had it for 30,000km. its the EVAP 0903.
so i doubt it has any bearing here just wanted to mention.
I'm still lost, and it seems to be getting worse, have not noticed much difference between cold/hot at all. the car runs mint when i get it going, so I truly am lost here. Im going to go out now and swap the starter relay, any other ideas though? thanks again for imput so far.
edit- swapping relay did nothing. If I just push in the clutch and crank, with no gas, not quick flips on the ingnition or anything, she cranks and cranks and cranks, FINALLY when it fires, bogs just a bit, and I can smell fuel. Im really puzzeled on this one, no idea where to look next,,,
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Im with you bud, unfortunately I'm in the middle of water pump reapair waiting for parts shipment so the car is down and not running. My thoughts were moving in fuel regulator issue, possibly clutch interlock, ignition key things......I don't know either, maybe we need to start a new thread on this one, but I'm too new at navigating here. Vince
#22
I have the same problem in ny 96' I30. I spent almost $1k but it is still pain in the a****. I found a guy who sloved the problem so sent PM to him. However I'm still waiting his answer. As soon as I get the answer, I will let you know.
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Thanks, that would be tremendously helpful on this long time tough issue, mine has been doing it for at least 4 years and just haven't found the time to chase it down since I had discovered the "double start" solution go around. Downside is I had to replace the starter, not a big deal but eventually double starts catch up to it.
BTW, I have 97 SE, I understand that its a California car, even though I bought it here in NJ.
BTW, I have 97 SE, I understand that its a California car, even though I bought it here in NJ.
#24
on cold starts, my 99 max sometimes takes a few seconds to crank up. It turns over with no prob, not losing any battery power either. what could be that problem? never had the problem before now
btw, i only have 113,xxx miles
btw, i only have 113,xxx miles
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Thats still good bro, if you find out what he put in then it will narrow down the options. thanks!
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Hi, I'm curious if you tried this with any positive results?
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Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000
Thanks for the feedback,
andrei it is similar to your vid, just more cranking in between fire's.
my starter is new however.
coolant's good, ill have to inspect this FIC tomorrow. Good info never would have known that man appreciate it. Ill keep updated.
Thanks for the feedback,
andrei it is similar to your vid, just more cranking in between fire's.
my starter is new however.
coolant's good, ill have to inspect this FIC tomorrow. Good info never would have known that man appreciate it. Ill keep updated.
One thing illbe doing is upgrading my intake - firewall and tranny to chassis grounds, and just quickly double checking connections on the starter and my already upgraded grounds.
will keep updated.
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If your is the same as mine it can't be starter, as the rpm's on the starter's cranking is never deficient. I've had three different starters in this car in its 200k miles, with different tooth counts, I think one was a seven and the other a nine or eleven or something and it hasn't made a difference in this issue for the record. Have you checked relays or had someone do that? It's been a consideration on my end as well as fuel pressure regulator possibility?
I assume you are talking about trying the FIC? all tested good as I stated above, so grrr . still playin with this one, hopefully someone can give me somewhere else to check, relays I've pretty much ruled out.
One thing illbe doing is upgrading my intake - firewall and tranny to chassis grounds, and just quickly double checking connections on the starter and my already upgraded grounds.
will keep updated.
One thing illbe doing is upgrading my intake - firewall and tranny to chassis grounds, and just quickly double checking connections on the starter and my already upgraded grounds.
will keep updated.
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i just changed relays with others in the box of the same kind. Im still thinking this is a sensor issue, however I'd assume it to be a CKP, etc, otherwise a possible ignition switch, but is that possible? Would it not just stop working or could it have a poor connection? Im still thinking this is electrical, I start school on monday but if i can fit time in I'm going to test the fuel pressure, and check over my grounds at the very least.
Anyone have any ideas ?????
Anyone have any ideas ?????
#30
Well, when I did have the ignition switch go couple years back, I took apart the old one to try to fix it first (PITA) and the rotary set of contacts for each key position had the very last one(Starter contact) almost worn flat. So that explains that if I turned the key REALLY firm that it would start, if your starting with light to normal key pressure then its most likely something else at this point.
i just changed relays with others in the box of the same kind. Im still thinking this is a sensor issue, however I'd assume it to be a CKP, etc, otherwise a possible ignition switch, but is that possible? Would it not just stop working or could it have a poor connection? Im still thinking this is electrical, I start school on monday but if i can fit time in I'm going to test the fuel pressure, and check over my grounds at the very least.
Anyone have any ideas ?????
Anyone have any ideas ?????
#31
just keeping my promise...took it to stealership because this had gone on long enough (about a year and half). they replaced the electrical part of the ignition switch...starts just fine now.
about a year ago i replaced the mechanical part and that solved that problem...
just my .02
one more thing...this happened gradually...first only during cold weather, then if it was below 80 degrees outside then 90 etc...finally it just started to crank and crank if i left it for any amount of time...hope this helps.
about a year ago i replaced the mechanical part and that solved that problem...
just my .02
one more thing...this happened gradually...first only during cold weather, then if it was below 80 degrees outside then 90 etc...finally it just started to crank and crank if i left it for any amount of time...hope this helps.
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just keeping my promise...took it to stealership because this had gone on long enough (about a year and half). they replaced the electrical part of the ignition switch...starts just fine now.
about a year ago i replaced the mechanical part and that solved that problem...
just my .02
one more thing...this happened gradually...first only during cold weather, then if it was below 80 degrees outside then 90 etc...finally it just started to crank and crank if i left it for any amount of time...hope this helps.
about a year ago i replaced the mechanical part and that solved that problem...
just my .02
one more thing...this happened gradually...first only during cold weather, then if it was below 80 degrees outside then 90 etc...finally it just started to crank and crank if i left it for any amount of time...hope this helps.
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I'm really starting to think this is the ignition switch, playing with the key a bit seems to have the most effect to get it started. When you say they replaced the 'electrical' part, do you by chance know what that was/an invoice or reciept with a part number or something of the like? That would really help as I'd be doing it myself. Thanks for the imput it kind of confirms my recent suspicions!
ya i am actually at work right now, but i think there is part number i can get you tommorow.
in addition, jiggling the key would tell me, that it would be the upper part which is the mechanical mechanism (not the electrical) behind steering wheel cowling the part i replaced a year or two back that is shaped like a cylinder with the ignition wires hanging off. it costs about 50 bucks from an autoparts store and is pretty much a plug and play fix.
i'll get back to you on both parts once i find them.
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Ign. Switch part #
Easy install, but be careful cause your going to be close to air bags, also disconnect battery. www.coustesynissan.com for diagram explode and for part identification #'s , maybe www.rockauto.com also, I haven't dealt with them yet
For my 97 5 spd. SE it was Part#
http://www.courtesyparts.com/betasit...-p-132324.html
...or look for part description #48750 under section # 998 Misc. and Keys
JUST MAKE SURE THIS IS FOR YOUR SPECIFIC CAR year and model, CALL THEM AND SPEAK WITH SALES GUY. IT WAS LIKE $30 + The SHIP
I just remembered how I'd park on inclines with no obstructions all the time so I could get a rolling start in second gear when I came back to the car!.....those were the daze!.......good luck with it!
For my 97 5 spd. SE it was Part#
http://www.courtesyparts.com/betasit...-p-132324.html
...or look for part description #48750 under section # 998 Misc. and Keys
JUST MAKE SURE THIS IS FOR YOUR SPECIFIC CAR year and model, CALL THEM AND SPEAK WITH SALES GUY. IT WAS LIKE $30 + The SHIP
I just remembered how I'd park on inclines with no obstructions all the time so I could get a rolling start in second gear when I came back to the car!.....those were the daze!.......good luck with it!
I'm really starting to think this is the ignition switch, playing with the key a bit seems to have the most effect to get it started. When you say they replaced the 'electrical' part, do you by chance know what that was/an invoice or reciept with a part number or something of the like? That would really help as I'd be doing it myself. Thanks for the imput it kind of confirms my recent suspicions!
Last edited by scooby68; 10-26-2007 at 09:47 PM.
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I have the same problem. Mine cranks a few times then it stops cranking and cranks again and then finally starts. Does it every time.
I'll have to check the FIC and change the coolant sensor and I'll also regrease the starter. If it is the idle control valve I am not changing that any time soon. It's $250.
I'll have to check the FIC and change the coolant sensor and I'll also regrease the starter. If it is the idle control valve I am not changing that any time soon. It's $250.
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I'm really starting to think this is the ignition switch, playing with the key a bit seems to have the most effect to get it started. When you say they replaced the 'electrical' part, do you by chance know what that was/an invoice or reciept with a part number or something of the like? That would really help as I'd be doing it myself. Thanks for the imput it kind of confirms my recent suspicions!
The first link is for the part i think it is for your problem.
http://www.autozone.com/N,314431/ini...cleSelect4.htm
and someonelese 2 above me was so kind as to leave more links for you...
good luck!
keep me posted on your progress
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Ok, I give up whats FIC, Fuel injector something?
I have the same problem. Mine cranks a few times then it stops cranking and cranks again and then finally starts. Does it every time.
I'll have to check the FIC and change the coolant sensor and I'll also regrease the starter. If it is the idle control valve I am not changing that any time soon. It's $250.
I'll have to check the FIC and change the coolant sensor and I'll also regrease the starter. If it is the idle control valve I am not changing that any time soon. It's $250.
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It stands for "Fast Idle Cam". It has a thermo element which opens the "throttle" a little bit to increase RPM when the engine is cold.
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ok .. update. thanks for the part numbers and such, Ill give the ignition switch a shot. I was driving yesterday and the car just died. No spit and sputter, i didnt even hear it die. I'll will start back up again but is still hard to start. It did seem to happen when i put it in neutral or when I pushed in the clutch(lowering rpm to idle ) then it died. Im in school now out of town so I need my car I hope it doesnt crap out on me completely. Ill be cleaning out the TB tomorrow and Ill have to order the Ignition switch. and ill be cleaning the IACV this weekend as I have no tools here. thanks again for the part numbers.