Suspension drop question
#1
Suspension drop question
Has anyone ever tried KYB (GR2) struts with Ksport 2" lowering springs? I'm sure many will say go with Tokico or coil overs. However, I can't spend that much on coil overs, even if they are available for only 800. I'm planning on buying a 00vi bolt on setup and get a decent suspension drop as well. My main concern is if I lower my ride with KYB GR2 will the struts blow on me quickly if I were to use Ksport lowering springs. Please no offense, but do not include guess work, I am asking of those who have knowledge from previous experience or stories of this setup.
#2
i'm not sure that you're going to get to much input on k-sport drop springs. i do not think they are very popular. however i have run gr2s w/ maxspeed springs (~1.5" drop) with no problems.
#3
Ksports have no travel so no matter what strut you go with the ride is going to suffer. Stick with a drop around 1.5". The gr-2s will be fine with progress, maxspeed, canuck motorsports, or tokico springs, all of which are on the cheaper side.
#6
Includes scraping and bottoming out. I think it goes the same with the Tein S-Techs.
#8
The strut has no piston travel, its always bottomed out. Stechs are just a crappy. The only way to drop a Max correctly is with shortened Koni's.
#9
I have Ksport springs with KYB GR-2s. I have NO complaints. the ride is as soft as stock(with bumps) but the car handles well enough for me and is responsive. I dont plan to Auto-x so i dont need Ferrari handling. my tires are a set of 205/60/16 and 215/55/15 for the time being and no bottom out problems
#12
#13
I have Tokico Illuminas and Tokico springs and I have already gone through two sets of strut mounts in the front. Not only that but Im ready for a third set of strut mounts and the ride is horrible. One of the rear shocks is leaking, I wish I hadn't gotten Tokico's
#15
to the noobs^^
I've got eibach springs on tokico illumina struts. I've had no problems and I've put at least 35k on this setup.
The only reason I would have chosen something different would be for shortened koni's. I have very little travel with this setup, however I don't bottom out very often.
Also, aren't the OEM struts made by tokico?? I have a hard time believing that tokico doesn't make quality products.
I've got eibach springs on tokico illumina struts. I've had no problems and I've put at least 35k on this setup.
The only reason I would have chosen something different would be for shortened koni's. I have very little travel with this setup, however I don't bottom out very often.
Also, aren't the OEM struts made by tokico?? I have a hard time believing that tokico doesn't make quality products.
#17
Despite all the other stuff, I think the s-techs are good. The drop I got from them was perfect. I love how my car looks with them. And for that reason alone id recommend this spring. If you arnt looking to race/auto-x, and going for a nice drop/look only, I think the s-techs are great.
#19
Tokico blues are horrible if you choose to use lowerings springs. But if you have good white Tokico illuminas with the new OEM nissan strut bearings and the proper bump stops and bushings front and rear. You must be looking for potholes or are driving on the moon to pop the illuminas. There are the toughest and I would not use any lowerings over 1.3-1.5 in any major cities or any roads that's daily potholes and craters. Whichever setup is not going to survive that. I had to learn the hard regardless of everything DO NOT GO CHEAP on the suspension you will waste money and time on the labor and will eventually buy the proper setup. Once again DO NOT SAVE ON SUSPENSION and LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. It really hurts to throw money and time in the garbage. I am even thinking of H-techs just to be on the safe side.
#21
Do NOT go with eibach lowering springs and tokico blues combo. I can turn better than a bmw but any pothole more than 1 inch shakes your bones. I am dying for a softer ride and don't know what the exact culprit is. the tokico blues, the springs, or the 17 inch enkei rs6.
#22
Do NOT go with eibach lowering springs and tokico blues combo. I can turn better than a bmw but any pothole more than 1 inch shakes your bones. I am dying for a softer ride and don't know what the exact culprit is. the tokico blues, the springs, or the 17 inch enkei rs6.
I agree with that, the blues are fine on decent roads, but on any ****ty street, you will regret it. I got the HPK245 kit with the red Tokico lowering springs and 17" oem rims. I'm guessing that the culprit is more likely the struts than the springs, because they're just too soft. I'm looking to put in some Illuminas this summer.
#23
Atlantic Avenue..yeah...What about those bumps that come about on nassau expressway, on the belt once in a while...and whitestone expressway...Some of those bumps..heck..they should just throw some logs onto the road.
#24
I <3 my eibachs. Those + Illuminas = good. stiff, but I'm willing to trade a little ride quality for handling.
I've always heard good things about Koni's...supposed to be the BEST dampers for a 4th gen. Those with eibachs or ground control coilover springs would be amazing.
I've also thought about replacing just my front illuminas with konis. Since the rear koni's are not adjustable from the top, I'd just keep the illuminas in the back.
Any input on konis??
I've always heard good things about Koni's...supposed to be the BEST dampers for a 4th gen. Those with eibachs or ground control coilover springs would be amazing.
I've also thought about replacing just my front illuminas with konis. Since the rear koni's are not adjustable from the top, I'd just keep the illuminas in the back.
Any input on konis??
#25
Couldn't have said it any better!!!! I'm convinced they won't fix roads like Atlantic, etc in a cheap attempt to keep people's speed down! Some of those things are down right dangerous and have almost killed me before!!!! I wouldn't be surprised if my airbags deploy one day after hitting a new one by surprise, that's how bad a lot of them are
#26
Couldn't have said it any better!!!! I'm convinced they won't fix roads like Atlantic, etc in a cheap attempt to keep people's speed down! Some of those things are down right dangerous and have almost killed me before!!!! I wouldn't be surprised if my airbags deploy one day after hitting a new one by surprise, that's how bad a lot of them are
#27
Okay. Time for suspension overhaul. I just busted a second enkei rim. This time it was the driver side front rim. I am picking up some original 16" maxima wheels tomorrow and slapping new tires on them. I am keeping my eibach lowering springs, and am looking to replace the tokico shocks and struts. Help me out here. What is the general consensus for a softER ride on a lowered gen 4 max. (I am willing to give up some handling)
#29
i would also like to know this, i'm looking for an appropriate drop for 19's that will retain as much ride quality as i can get (for 19's); H-tech/illumina? H&R/Koni? i would love some input here
#30
I would recommend a stiffer strut than stock though. I have GR2s on the front and havent had a problem, but i still have stock in the rear and have blown the driver side rear twice. Most of the reason is because i have a 245/40/18 tire in the rear and 2 12" subs, and its a 2.0" drop. So im thinking with that size tire and weight, there is barely ANY travel rate in the rear, causing it to blow.
But overall, im satisfied with the ride/stance. Ive been in 4th gens with almost every other setup(s techs/h techs/eibach/intrax/ksport coilover) and they seem to take bumps kind of harsh. stiff enough to make CDs skip. The Ksport spings are soft enough to make the bumps similar to stock(as far as softness)
Hope this makes sense/helps... Im just waking up.lol
Last edited by ghostmax301; 04-24-2008 at 05:42 AM.
#31
I just want to say that allot of people need to do there own damn research. Before buying KSports I referred to the ORG for research on drop springs. Many people spoke of scrapping the bottom of my car and bottoming out. The front KSport springs drop 2.2 inches and the back is 2.0 inches. My car rides perfect, it absorbs pot holes and bumps way better than stock. My car never scrapes or bottoms out. Im from Jersey, so trust, we have many annoying pot holes. It's so aggrevating to read the previous posts people left on this thread. Just show people speak more bull**** than actual facts. I just want to say I recommend this for a drop if your are on a budget and cannot afford coil overs. Its very smooth, no bouncy bouce or "scrapping", highly recommended.
#32
Are the Konis actually shorter shocks? arent they just inserts into the housing of an old shock? meaning the cradle will still be in the same position, or is it to do with the internal valving that makes them a shorter stroke shock
i have them on the front and am cautious about putting them in the rear because of the cost vs benefit
i have them on the front and am cautious about putting them in the rear because of the cost vs benefit
#33
I just want to say that allot of people need to do there own damn research. Before buying KSports I referred to the ORG for research on drop springs. Many people spoke of scrapping the bottom of my car and bottoming out. The front KSport springs drop 2.2 inches and the back is 2.0 inches. My car rides perfect, it absorbs pot holes and bumps way better than stock. My car never scrapes or bottoms out. Im from Jersey, so trust, we have many annoying pot holes. It's so aggrevating to read the previous posts people left on this thread. Just show people speak more bull**** than actual facts. I just want to say I recommend this for a drop if your are on a budget and cannot afford coil overs. Its very smooth, no bouncy bouce or "scrapping", highly recommended.
#34
Ive had s-techs and kyb gr2's for like 4 months now and I spent like 500 or less on the whole setup and I live on long island NY and have driven in all the 5 boroughs. I am very happy with the setup, nasty potholes are a bit harsh (and isnt nice with any suspension) but its as tight as can be around corners and at high speeds its extremely stable (100mph). yes there are better setups but if you want it to look dropped and have unbeatable ride quality (ie best setup) is to go with full pro coilover kit which will cost about 1200 in parts alone if you find it cheap. the s-techs and gr2s have the nice dropped look and will keep you tightly glued to the pavement in most any conditions in my experience. most of the other spring setups people are suggesting like h-tech and so on will not looked dropped at all(unless you start measuring). I hope this helps good luck.
Id also like to add that nowhere and no matter how harsh the pothole I never ever bottom out.
Id also like to add that nowhere and no matter how harsh the pothole I never ever bottom out.
Last edited by j2b4osan; 07-10-2008 at 08:05 PM.
#35
So it looks like there is a strong arguement for getting Ksport springs. What I wanted to know is what kind of shocks/struts are good when paired with the Ksports. In one of the posts above, someone said tokico blues are terrible for lowering springs. Has anyone heard of Springtech shocks? I saw then on Ebay for around $150 a set.
#37
I bought the tokico blues spring combo for 450. Tokico said that the springs are made to work well with the blues. I have bottomed out a few times. I cut the bump stops by 50%. Make sure you get a couple of camber bolts. I hit the twisties evertime i go to work. I have hanged with a stock 350z in the turns, he pulled away in the straights. It dropped my car about 1.5". Heres a pic.
#38
all of this is quite interesting, but heres a question. What do you think Possessed Nissan to Give The Maxima 5 Inchs Of Fender Clearance.. I mean Really?
nah thats just a joke, but honestly, my rear struts are about shot, and im wondering what a good set of struts and springs would be for just daily driving, and some good cornering, without breaking the bank, so let me rephrase the question. Im Cheap Broke and in college. I Drive Wayy Too fast. and i take turns at excesssive speeds. What is a good cheap combo of struts and springs. a good bang for your buck if you will.
nah thats just a joke, but honestly, my rear struts are about shot, and im wondering what a good set of struts and springs would be for just daily driving, and some good cornering, without breaking the bank, so let me rephrase the question. Im Cheap Broke and in college. I Drive Wayy Too fast. and i take turns at excesssive speeds. What is a good cheap combo of struts and springs. a good bang for your buck if you will.
Last edited by FallenOne; 11-15-2008 at 12:00 AM.
#39
all of this is quite interesting, but heres a question. What do you think Possessed Nissan to Give The Maxima 5 Inchs Of Fender Clearance.. I mean Really?
nah thats just a joke, but honestly, my rear struts are about shot, and im wondering what a good set of struts and springs would be for just daily driving, and some good cornering, without breaking the bank, so let me rephrase the question. Im Cheap Broke and in college. I Drive Wayy Too fast. and i take turns at excesssive speeds. What is a good cheap combo of struts and springs. a good bang for your buck if you will.
nah thats just a joke, but honestly, my rear struts are about shot, and im wondering what a good set of struts and springs would be for just daily driving, and some good cornering, without breaking the bank, so let me rephrase the question. Im Cheap Broke and in college. I Drive Wayy Too fast. and i take turns at excesssive speeds. What is a good cheap combo of struts and springs. a good bang for your buck if you will.
Originally Posted by GStrength
just want to say that allot of people need to do there own damn research. Before buying KSports I referred to the ORG for research on drop springs. Many people spoke of scrapping the bottom of my car and bottoming out. The front KSport springs drop 2.2 inches and the back is 2.0 inches. My car rides perfect, it absorbs pot holes and bumps way better than stock. My car never scrapes or bottoms out. Im from Jersey, so trust, we have many annoying pot holes. It's so aggrevating to read the previous posts people left on this thread. Just show people speak more bull**** than actual facts. I just want to say I recommend this for a drop if your are on a budget and cannot afford coil overs. Its very smooth, no bouncy bouce or "scrapping", highly recommended.
#40
I LOVE the look of Maximas dropped on S-techs, but I was warned against them, for axle problems, etc. I am running Eibach springs and Tokico Illuminas, factory length bumpstops, new OEM mounts, fstb, rstb, rsb, and 18's. NO complaints. No bottoming out, no bones shaking. As expected, it's a rougher ride.. but I enjoy it for the handling. I try to avoid holes best I can.. but nobodys perfect. ..and RI is just as bad as Jersey for potholes! Although Im not sure that we are as bad as New York! lol