NISMOPower

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Last night just cruising and I spot 2 cars behind me so I just speed up and the Mustang just catches up...We get even and both just gun it..he didn't pull that hard but he like barely inched when we raced on the roll on. at that tiime we were doing like maybe 100-110mph...We hit a stop light and we both agree to a friendly race. We both gun it stayed even until he switched to 2nd and DAMN he pulled like 3 cars in front of me and then a corvette(one of his friends just gun it by both of us). Well I had it coming but it was cool race.

Mustang
390HP w/ 390 LB/TQ

Corvette
405HP thats all I know.....

My Max
190HP with Autotragic

Chris

Craig Mack

The mustang should have destroyed you off the line in 1st gear. He was either a newbie shifter, or was just playing with you until he decided to give it gas in second.

Jeff92se

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Well he didn't so thus the story.

Craig Mack

Iron Lung

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Ford must have installed that supercharger backwards

ladeesman

Yeah um I'v raced a Cobra and he had lik 10 or 11 lengths on me by somewhere in 2nd.

Soon2BMaxed

03' cobras run 12s.....STOCK

Sin

Not really. I have a buddy with a GT with the 5.0L in the smoothe body. It was only offered for about two years, after that, the smoothe body mustangs used the 4.6L V8. And he has yet to come close to beating me. And it's not just the driving. We've switched cars, and it always turns out the same. The max beats the GT 5.0 in the smoothe body by atleast 2 car lengths. The GT only does the quarter in about 15 seconds. Many GT's only pull low 15's. The newest GT's can pull high 14's to low 15's just like Maximas. I pulled 14.8's bone stock, and have now got my car down to mid 14.6's. This is why I never shy from a race when it's a mustang. I smoke em all the time. This is not to say I've never lost to a mustang, 'cause I have. I'm just saying, bone stock, to bone stock, a manual Max, will give a great run to a bone stock manual GT Stang.

And for Soon2BMaxed, 12 seconds? Not even close. The 2003 SVT blown Mustang does it in 13 flat to 13.5 seconds. Considering it is rear wheel drive, 4.6L V8, supercharged and 390hp, that's HORRIBLE. Imagine Nissan came out with a rear wheel drive, 4.6L V8 and supercharged.

KINGMAX

The V8 part might be true soon. I heard that they will be making the Maximas rear wheel drive with the Q45 eight in them in the near future(I think they will be about the same size as the 5th gens though, imagine that ).

Craig Mack

They are going to be fat luxury boats and far from anything like a mustang.

ladeesman

Last time checked there was a big difference between GT's and Cobras. I've raced a few GT's too and they always win. Not to mention there aren't that many MAXs that run 13's not to mention 12's. And several car lengths = tenths of seconds.

La Jolla Max

Multiple magazines have posted high 12 second times.

ya know, when you're going up against a car that has double the power to weight ratio of your own, it ceases to be a race.
If you were running a huge shot of NOS, or a supercharger at ridiculously high boost, it may be interesting. But stock??

sheesh..

blizz20oma

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Sin - what kind of depreciation does your boy have on his GT? My friend has one of the final 5.0 5-speeds...heh...my max isn't taking that thing stock v. stock. Is your friends' auto?

The guy was probably trying to baby his first gear & 1-2 shift in the cobra, as to not strain anything on a mid-to-high 15's sedan

bacid

theres a guy in ottawa who has ran high 13's in his STOCK mustang GT V8

if the person knows how to drive they should be getting at least low 14's

Soon2BMaxed

ummmmm, i think almost ALL the mags that have tested the 03' cobra are getting high 12s, sorry to rain on your parade. and about you beating your friends mustang, i believe it. i have to friend's with 95's (last year for 5.slow) both are 5spd, one has CAI and x-pipe. i am dead even with him. the other is stock and i usually beat hime by a car and a half to 2 cars by 100.

dmontzsta

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This cannot be true unless you run better than a 12.6 My buddy is a hard core mustang guy and he is getting the new mach one. I have been talking to him and reading his mags about the cobra it ran a 12.6 STOCK and with slicks it was low 12's. You sure he was trying? Are you sure it was a 2003? I didnt know they were even out yet.

JAY25

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the new 2003 mustang cobra is out already?

Horsepower: 390 hp @ 6,000 rpm
Torque: 390 lb.-ft. @ 3,500 rpm
Specific output : 84.8 horsepower per liter

I dont think any NA max can hang with that especially from take off. My friend had a 2000 GT he put 1 car length on me immediately no boost back then, but when Mardigrasmax raced him that was not the case.



Mach I is expected to generate around 300 horsepower from its modular 4.6-liter, 4-valve, DOHC V-8 engine. It is planned that the Mach I will use a new rear axle with a high-torque differential and a 3.55:1 axle ratio.

Sin

Like I said, I run consistent 14.65. Before my intake, I was running 14.8 consistently. My bud in his 5.0 is usually around 14.9-15.2. And we are both 5 speeds, and like I said, we've switched cars and raced each other, and it always turns out the same, my max takes his stang by about 1-2 car lengths.

Sin

Of the three mags I have with 1/4 numbers no the 2003 blown cobra, they have times ranging from 12.9-13.3. Regular GT's from the era of my buddy's GT, which is a mid to late 90's, is 15.3 The newest GT's run the quarter in about the same time as the quickest 5 spd max's, which is about 14.8-15.

dmontzsta

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330hp to be exact, it will have the old cobra motor in it.

Craig Mack

The only way I think a Maxima would keep up with those 2 beasts is this:

-Have 5-speed tranny
-Turbo'ed/SC'ed running High boost
-Virtually every bolt on, including ME VI
-A prayer



I think if these 3 cars ran on the highway, the Maxima would keep up and possibly pull a little. But from a stop? No way...there is just no way our FWD cars can keep up with 2 RWD cars designed for dragging.

dmontzsta

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I think you are correct. Except for the highway, we will need a prayer on there also. I heard they top out around 160-165ish and are geared very nice.

Dave B

My God, the ignorance in this site rivals the ignorance over at Club Si. Here's the truth behind the 94+ Mustangs:

1) 94-95 GT 5.0 liter (215hp, pushrod), rather slow because the car gained 200lbs in the redesign and the intake manifold was more restrictive due to tighter clearances from the hood. Most 5.0 5 speeds are in the lower 15s, autos are in the upper 15s.

2) 94-95 5.0 liter Cobra (240hp, pushrod), rather slow for a Cobra model. Restrictive intake manifold sucked some life out of the motor. Mid 14s were the norm.

3) 96-98 GT 4.6 liter (modular design, SOHC, 215-225hp), rather slow due to the short powerband of the small 4.6 motor. Poor flowing heads were the culprit. High 14s and to lower 15s were the norm.

4) 96-98 Cobra 4.6 liter (modular, DOHC, 305hp), much quicker than any Mustang built since the early 70s. Many have run mid 13s, most mags got 13.8s@102mph. A true topend beast. This car is only limited by it's super tall 3.27 rear gear. Simply adding a 4.10-4.33 gear (completely streetable gearing in a car that can rev to 7000rpm) will drop ET by ~.3-.4. 12s are attainable with gears and slicks. It's been done numerous times.

5) 99+ GT 4.6 liter (modular, SOHC, 260hp), much quicker than the old SOHC. Much better flowing heads dramatically improved midrange power and topend HP. Low 14s are the norm for the these cars. Autos can EASILY hit mid 14s. Performance rivals GM's LT1 F-Body from 93-97.

6) 99, 01 Cobra 4.6 liter (DOHC, 320hp). Slower Cobra than the 96-98. The addition of the IRS that added 120lbs (3640lb car now) and the fact that Ford had quality control problems with certain motor parts made this car a mid 14 second ride on average. There was no 2000 Cobra for this very reason.

7) 2001 Bullit 4.6 liter (SOHC, 265hp). With a revised intake manifold and higher flow mufflers, Ford was only able to add 5 peak hp, HOWEVER, the mid range power of this 4.6 was the much improved. This car drives like it has a modded 5.0 under the hood. High 13s are the norm for this car.

8) 2003 Cobra 4.6 liter Roots supercharger (DOHC, 390hp). Using revised cams, a lower compression, and sporting a Roots blower, this IS the ultimate Mustang. The additon of the blower and cast iron block added 80lbs to the front of the car, but SVT has revised the suspension to compensate for the weight. This is the best handling ever. It's also easily the quickest. Most mag publications have gotten 12.8-13.0 at a massive 110-112mph. This car is only limited by it's tires. Mustang & Fast Ford mag has gotten 12.4@112mph stock and a 12.1@113mph out of this Cobra by simply using a SVT Lightning stock pulley. This Cobra is easily in the league of the Corvette Z06 for $15K less and sports two extra seats.

9) 2003 Mach I (305hp, DOHC) This Stang will sport the 305hp from the 96-98 Cobra. Gone is the IRS therefore drag racing this Stang will be much easier (IRS sucks for drag racing). The Mach I will sport Mach I "styling cues" and a new verison of old school 17s.

10) 2004 The Boss 302 (350hp? DOHC 5.0 liter). This is the Stang I want. To highlight the end of the Fox body chassis, Ford will be releasing the Boss 302 which will sport a 5.0 liter version of the 4.6. Ford has already shown off this motor 2 years ago and it easily put down 400hp and the Stang ran deep 12s.

11) 2005 Stang (5.0 liter, SOHC-DOHC) Completely new chassis, most likely all will have IRS, better ride, better handling, better performance



Dave

Sin

I totally agree with your numbers. People are so shocked to hear 5.0, and 4.6 stang engines running as slow as they do when there are those really quickones out there as well.

dmontzsta

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ok, so I guess we have another auto max but this time N/A running low 12s The 2003 cobra will kill pretty much any Maxima PERIOD.

Sin

Exactly, but many GT stangs out there can be beat by bone stock 5 spd maximas. In general, GT's are GREAT competition because of just how close they are to Max's.

dmontzsta

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Here is my suggestion to keeping up with a BONE STOCK 03 Cobra. Must have a VE or VQ, built motor, S/C or Turbo, with a nice shot of NOS, every bolt on possible, slicks, built trans...everything possible just to keep up. Now if they Cobra puts just slicks, or exhaust, we are in trouble. I think we need to stay away from these cars. They will be easily running 11s with bolt ons.

MAX2000JP

Why would u waste your money on the 2004 Mustang when a totally redesigned model will be out in less than a year? The new model will be so much better. The fox chassis has been around since the late 70's, which made it obsolete 20+ years ago. The new mustang will ride on the DEW Lincoln LS chassis, which is solid and will greatly improve handling. Supposedly the new 2005 Stang is gonna go retro and use some 64-68 styling cues. That will be a sweet looking car IMO

dmontzsta

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Actually, the Mach 1 (unblown) 4.6 DOHC is getting 12.9s with MT Drag Radials. The '03 Cobra is putting down 12.6s on stock rubber with a headwind. Plus I hate to break this to you, stud.. but the 03 Cobra isn't even manufactured yet. nice work.

Oops.. this is nummaonenutsaq, Donald's bud from work.. somehow his acct got setup on my pc. How the hell do I logout so I can login right?

MAX2000JP

Neither is the Mach 1, so how is it running 12.9s??????? BTW the engine is the same as in the 97-98' Cobra from what I hear, so that 12.9 is a little far fetched

nummaonenutsaq

I'm not really sure what your question is.. The Mach 1 was recently brought out by Ford to a weekend event and run on the 1/4 mile track. The 5-speed ran a 13.4 on stock rubber and a 12.9 on MT Drag Radials.. The auto was mid 13s on MTs. The Mach1 also has a solid rear axle, which helps for straight-line acceleration.. whereas the last few Cobras have been IRS, and it's been fitted with 3.55 rear end gears as well.

MAX2000JP

Where did they bring them out?? I am pretty sure that those cars are pushing more than the projected 300 hp. The old DOHC Cobra engines would only do 14.0 stock without the IRS. Even lighly modded they arent in the 12's.

Evan

The maxima would keep up with a SC'ed SVT Cobra and a Vette on the highway? Ya right. The maxima would be obliterated.

Maybe if you put the mustang on a trailer and had the vette tow it (and left it in 6th).

Keep in mind, ZO6 Vettes run 0-60 in 4 seconds (GM actually claims less than 4) and all 5th generation Vettes will do something in the 170-180 mile per hour range.

JAIMECBR900

You know what? People are going off on all kind of tangents here. Up to about 99, the GT's (in either 5.0 or 4.6) are slugs; period. Newer gen. Mustangs are stout but are in a totally different class than max's.

Stock max's are not speeding bullets (off the line) either. American cars benefit exponentially more from the same mods that only incrementally improve us. Reason: American engineering is so inefficient to begin with that when you "loosen" some of the restrictions the cars come alive (in a nutshell).

What you guys should be debating, eventhough is off subject from the original thread, is how SOME max's CAN hand some whippins on some modded rustangs all the time at the track. With a little work and a unfortunately a lot of money, a max CAN and very often DOES hand out some good butt whippings at the tracks around the country to modded and not so modded V-8's.

I know I'm going to get flamed here by the diehard V-8 fans, but all I'm trying to inject here is that the American V-8 is NOT always the big bad boy that people who believe old folk tales think it is. It CAN be sure, but the majority of the time it IS not. Some of you are not old enough to remember when "muscle cars" was just about any car that could run the 1/4 in 14 secs or less. Now we call those cars middle of the road. Go figure.

ILoveMyMax

No need to compare max vs mustangs...we will always get owned no if and or but..they r built to race we are not. end of discussion.

dmontzsta

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I am not going to flame you, because I agree they are slugs. But a new cobra is waaaay out of our league. I am not a tie hard V8 fan either, ask nummaonenutsaq. I just have respect for them, I am a die hard import fan.

JAIMECBR900

I'm not saying that the cobra's and the new Mach1's are not going to be awesome performers. They are going to tear up some serious asphalt when they hit the ground. All I am saying is that some people believe old wives tales about their brother's cousin's uncle's next door neighbor that had a torque monster of a V-8 that can't be beat. Then they go down to the track and lay down a blistering 14 sec pass. My point is that the majority of V-8's on the road CAN and DO get beat by our little V-6's, if the mix is right. Pick on a 5.0 and it's not that much of a problem, pick on a 5.7 Z28 and it gets a little harder, pick on a Z06 vette and you'll get smoked. There's some hot V-8's out there no doubt, they're just not as common as some people think they are, specially if they believe all the advertising hype that comes with some of these cars.

dmontzsta

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yup, I think it is funny when people buy a mustang or camaro and dont know much about them. They really got a V6 and then learn down the road, when they say "Damn my car is slow" but yet they still try and play.

Dave B

2003 Cobra is for sale. There's one for sale at the Ford dealer here in Kansas City. I've already seen it. Visually, it's easy to know it's a 2003. The Cobra now comes with painted mirrors, a different front clip, and a big cowl hood. A couple guys from a www.kcsr.org have already driven it. Release date was the first week in June.

The Mach I is a 2004 that obviously has not even been released yet. Not until May, did Ford decide to put this car into production. It should be out early next year. Maybe a couple Ford excutives took a couple Mach Is to the track, but those are probably "ringers". Ford has already stated that this car is only coming with the 305hp 96-98 motor therefore mid to high 13s will be the norm. With an auto, the Mach I will be a bit slower simply because the Cobra motor doesn't make much lowend torque.


Dave

96SE5Spd

On the V8 disscussion a truly built V8(depending on what car it is in) will wax just about any import that is built. Just look at what lingenfelter has done with the vette. Also if you look over the years just about all of GM's V8 sports cars will beat fords stock to stock and GM's cars react better to mods. Hell ford had to charge the stang just to keep up with vette. And on efficancy GM has better fuel management than most japanese companies. The vette gets as good MPG as a max. And for those of you who think the new svt cobra is fast just get a used f-body with an LT1 and use the money you save to supercharge it, you will never loose to a 03 svt again. And the new 03 svt stang is on the showroom floor for all you doubters. There are already two where I live driving around.