CD-R's in Bose HU
 

Okay, first thing, I have ALREADY used the search function and looked at everything there but there is not enough information there to come to a conclusion....I am just wondering if CD-R's damage, or shorten the life of the 6-disc in dash at all. I have been doing extensive research on this topic.....because I bought a really expensive Cd, and it isn't that good, so i want to make my own cd's to use in the car.

We used to use cd-r's in our old Camry, and then it started to mess up, but I don't know if that is the reason of the cd player messing because I have heard of older CD players not being able to play newer CD's (probably beccause of enhanced cd and all that stuff for the computer). Please give me as many opinions as possible.

Thank you

I've been using
 

74mins in my Bose HU and changer (trunk) for almost 3 years now. No harm. 80mins freak out the changer, but are fine in the HU.

The CD mechs in the 2k2 are supposedly failing at a high rate with or without CDR...

all i use is burned cd's in my 2k2 non-bose? if their a warranty on the cd player?

Just my .02 on this one.....we were reading the owners manual for the G35 and it specifically said not to use any cd-r in the indash 6 changer. The TL-S that we previously had said the same thing. I use them all the time in the 6 disc changer in the trunk with no harm done thus far.

i've only been playing cd-rs in my bose since i bought the car 10 months ago:wall: , never have any problems. I believe it's true that cd-r might mess up ur HU, but that's when you burn the cd at high speed. i tried burning cd-rs above 12x and the HU gives me errors, so no doubt its messing up the HU somehow. Just my 2c, if you have to play cd-rs, burn them at low speed just to be on the save side. i've been burning and playing at 12x and have yet to have any problem.

charlie

I don't even own any albums...all CD-R's. So far so good, never heard anything negative about it.

I burn mine at high speed (32x TDK Velocity drive). My HU doesn't seem to know the difference and with 30,000 kms in the car since Nov/01, I've plyed alot of CDr's. I asked the service writer about using CDr's and he said that he's yet to hear of a HU being damaged by a CDr for any other reason than the stick on labels that some people use, start to peel from the cd and get jammed.

I think that Nissan (and other manufacturers) may have included the warning in the manual because of customer complaints regarding noises that are actually caused by the recorder. Just a thought that someone would burn a cd, take it to the car and notice a 'pop' where the buffer underrun couldn't keep up (or whatever reason - cheap media?) and blame it on the HU in the car. I could see manufacturer's having a difficult time explaining that it's not their problem, but rather a problem with the burn?

Albert

bottom line is im gonna play burned cds no matter what, and im sure it will play fine. my laptop burner doesnt even do 12x so im str8 speed wise. not everything can be as fast as my maxima.

dont overburn...
 

I've found that going over 74 mins is the problem. I'm fairly sure thats what they are trying to avoid. Overburned CDs can cause damage in old CD drives as well.

finding 74 min CD's can be kinda hard these days. I snag up 50 anytime I see them (staples last month for 19.99 -sony)

Re: dont overburn...
 

I have always (that is since they have been available) used 80 min. CDr's, and have had absolutely no problems what so ever with my HU. What in the world could a CD do to a HU to create a permanent malfunction in the unit. If it doesn't like it, it doesn't read it, and gives you an error, I just don't see how a CDr could "damage" a HU. Also as far a burning speed goes, I burn typically at 24x using Fuji CDr's and have yet to have any errors. I am guessing it is either the media, or the burner that is causing these error problems.

Scott

Re: Re: dont overburn...
 

i think it might all come down to if the cd-r drive is stable or not. i used to have crappy memorex (a gift), and it can't handle 80 min cd-rs well. CDs even skip when i burn them at 2x and had caused some error in my 96's bose HU. But now i have Plextor, very nice and stable. Giving me no problems at all no matter its 74 or 80 min cd-rs.

charlie

ive played nothing but burnt cd's for 10 months now and there has never been a problem. It is impossible to damage a cd player with a cd-r. All the cd player does is use the laser to read the disc. It is possible that the laser won't be able to read the cd-r because of the brand of the disc or the speed it was burned (all because of compression and layers of the disc...very complicated), but a sfar as damaging the player..impossible.

I assume youre *guessing* its not possible.. but it is possible to damage a CD mechanism with a just a CD. In fact, have you not heard of the problems new copy protected CD are giving some mac drives? If the CD sends the laser out to find a part of the CD that isnt there, not good for the stepping motor. Also, a CD mech has a limited stroke, when you've asked a unit made to read 74s to go out farther to read 80s, it often works.. but sometimes it sends it into a endless loop of retrying, until the motor dies.

As I said, 80s work fine in my HU... But in some bose changers you will hear skipping as you get to the end of a 80 min CDR. I would not keep playing those CDs. All those repeated error correct attempts will eventually eat something..

CD-R's
 

Well first off let me say I just brought home the 2003 GLE having sold my 1995 GLE. What a babe. The power is something else.

Anyway after I got home to my surprise the manual does recommend not using CD-R's or RW's even though I had taken a few to the dealer to listen to them first and they did play.

Not being an expert what is HU that you folks talk about? Also someone mentioned copy protection and it seems some new CDs are being released with copy protection that will damage PC CD ROMS. You can read more about this at the link provided. My wife drives the car much more than I do and she loves having her music, hence I am hoping all the CD's I have burned for her will not be unusable. They played for years in the 95 GLE. I would just hate as hell for the unit to get damaged.

Thanks for any comments

Bill:Party:

Re: CD-R's
 

Sorry here is the link

Boycott CD's

I have been playing 80 minute cds just fine. To me it wouldn't make sense if any current cd player being sold couldn't handle an 80 minute cd, since I have seen 1 or 2 production albums that were over 74 minutes. I can't remember which one it was, I will look around. But anyways it doesn't make sense that there are production albums being released over 74 mins if many cd players can't play them with causing damage.

Re: CD-R's
 

"HU" stands for head unit

I totally agree, there are several CDs released from the music industry that are over 74 mins., and have been long before 80 min CD-R were available. I can't remember the older titles, but I do remember that I could not fit it on 1 CD when I tried to copy. However, the new Eminem CD is over 74 mins, just an FYI.

Scott

i have a 2000 gle w/bose and all i play is cdr's in my hu. i burn all my cds at a speed of 6x-8x(i read its not good to burn audio cd's at a rate any faster than 8 or 12x), and i havent had any problems yet.

yea, that cd i bought has copy right protection....it works in the maxima, and in the computer, but in the computer, it makes a weird clicking noise.....

well...
 

for those pre-2k2, you have to know that the bose changer is backwards compatible to like the 95 maxima. Its been a Clarion CV737 for a very long time. So, I can see it not playing 80s and I dont have a problem with that. Obviously my 2k Bose HU is much newer (and still Clarion), and they play fine.

As for you 2k2+ guys, I would suspect 80s are fine regardless. You just have a flakey mechanism. National backorder flakey. I just think that they are worried that an incorrectly burned CD might kill it. I suspect the copy protected CDs wont be good for them either :(


Oh, this is OT but I read their sweet 925DVD indash TFT screen HU is also on backorder because of a very high failure rate in the mechanism. I was even thinking of getting that one. doh...

Re: well...
 

for those pre-2k2, you have to know that the bose changer is backwards compatible to like the 95 maxima. Its been a Clarion CV737 for a very long time. So, I can see it not playing 80s and I dont have a problem with that. Obviously my 2k Bose HU is much newer (and still Clarion), and they play fine.

As for you 2k2+ guys, I would suspect 80s are fine regardless. You just have a flakey mechanism. National backorder flakey. I just think that they are worried that an incorrectly burned CD might kill it. I suspect the copy protected CDs wont be good for them either :(


Oh, this is OT but I read their sweet 925DVD indash TFT screen HU is also on backorder because of a very high failure rate in the mechanism. I was even thinking of getting that one. doh... [/QUOTE]

I have a 2k2 SE with Navi, so I do have the clarion CD changer in the trunk, and use 80 mins all the time with no problem.

Also regarding the Eminem CD having copy-right protection, I don't think so...I have Win XP and used Windows Media Player to rip, and Easy CD Creator to burn using the Sony 36x burner (burned at 24x), and have had absolutely no problems with the several CDs that I have copied.

Scott

First thing first, unless you have some crap on the surface and it gets on the lens there is nothing intrinsically about any CD-R I have ever seen or used that will do any damage to any cd player. The worst thing that will happen is it won't play.

I've been using CD-R's in all my cars and other portable devices now for about 6 years and have had no problems related to the CD-R other than the time I tried to over burn a CD (player spit it back out since it couldn't read it).

I think the warning is because some people choose to label their CD-s and often the labels throw the balance of the disc off...over time running lots of unbalanced CD's can wear down the bearings on the spindle, cause tracking problems or wear out the spin motor completely...thats about it though.

That and Nissan may have ties to the recording industry.

then explain how...
 

the copy protection is killing some CD players?

so, I can use 80's on my changer, yet my wife's bose changer is newer and shuts down or skips until restarted on 80's. So what.. proves nothing.

Go back to the topic here.. the first message.. bottom line, your 2k2 will play them fine it seems. *if* you start skipping with them, try 74's.

if you have to go back to the dealer with cd player/changer and a CDR in there, be ready to go thru hell to get it fixed. been there, seen that..

Aside from that, TDoyle does make a point about labels, you'd be insane to use labels in there.

i have no pRoblems with cdRs in my 2k2 - HOWever, in a 2k1 bose max - I had problems playing burned cd's - it would not read the disc and display a message of "ERROR" - ???