Why don't we sue Nissan for our 15hp? (2k2 Guys)
 

SR20 and i have been talking and we came onto HP numbers of the G and Z and we're talking about how nissan makes up HP numbers to suit whatever they feel is good at the time and came back to how bad we got screwed with our HP numbers over the altima. So we said, let's sue nissan. I just read an article where some hyundai's were off a few hp and they gave everyone that owned one an extended warranty or something. I think we should try for something but what we need is mostly dynoes and the best are gonna be automatic and stock. This will leave no room for arguement on the 6-spd losing more then the altima 5-spd. they are the same auto tranny. So, thoughts?? ideas??? please post your stock auto 2k2 dynoes here and anyone else with a stock 2k2 dyno do so as well and notate your transmission of choice. i'l gonna start looking for the altima dyno and we'll see if we can do anything with this info. I don't know about you guys but i'd really love to stick one to Nissan for the exceptional service they give. lol. let's go guys.

Great idea. They did that with the Mazda Miata, because when it first came out, they were off by 10-12 hp. Ford offered to buy the cars back I believe. Time to get some #'s...cause nissan is way off in its HP claims.

ya and ford took back all the SVT Cobra for 15 hp and souped them all up some more. i think we might have ground to stand on here and we should stick nissan good.

wait...u guys are saying we can SUE nissan and get something out of it??? arn't the hp #'s based off flywheel hp? im still kinda lost....

yes and yes. the hp numbers are supposed to be based off flyhweel hp but nissan lied to us and said the altima was 240 and the maxima was 255 when in reality they are both about 240 MAYBE 245 but no way they are 15hp different and we got screwed.

This has to be the funniest post I have seen on the ORG.... but I am down. I think they do owe us.

I will probably never dyno my car, but I am down for a free warranty or something. Keep us posted...

ARFF

I'm all for it but how long would it take for their "exceptional service" to do something. It only took them 4.5 hours to do my transverse link recall (not including wait) :laugh: People have sued over alot less these days.

is there any way to measure the flywheel hp?
wouldn't that be more convincing than collecting the dyno #s?:confused:

I say just leave it, ignore me if im stupid, but I think this is lame.. just my 2 cents though.

the main reason i'm thinking we can do this is because other manufacturers have acknowledged hp discrepencies and did something to fix it.

and it might be funny, but they do owe us. so where's a 2k2 auto with a dyno i know i've seen one before.

and there are ways to measure crank hp but they machines are very $$$$

but still...the dyno at the crank would be concrete detail, it we were ever to sue them...and...the laywer we get is pretty cruical too...LARRY H. PARKER....LOL...how did the others(car enthusiast) win their cases?

lost ponies????
 

heck yeah something should deffiantly be done!!
people that dont have the 2k2 dont know how it feels!
so im down with it

Just tell me where to sign. Ive had enough issues with Nissan and id be happy to bang on thier door some more. Im sure their customer service will recgonize my name, and do everything in their power to shut me up. :)

with ford i know there was just talk of the decreased hp and i think they admitted it a fixed all the cars. and i'll check for a crank dyno machine but they are rare and expensive and it's HARD to do also. i don't think any other car enthusiats had to sue but nissan is nissan and they won't admit anything i'm sure.

me too, i wouldn't say anything if they didn't screw with me every time i try and get something fixed under warranty. either way, lying to us was wrong and they should have to fix it.

Of all the car companies out there I think only Toyota would be more stubborn than Nissan on such an issue. If We all decide to persue this we have to be prepaired for a long or difficult fight.
And in the other cases of misadvertised HP i dont know of anyone having to do a crank hp test on an engine. We have enough data accumulated between us to satisfy any jury. Lets also not forget the fact that we don't have to stop there, if we need more ammo we could bring up the MPG issue on the trip computer. Everyone and their brother knows the thing read +4 MPG over actual. I bet the EPA would love to hear of that story.
But don't get me wrong. Im not out to get the better of Nissan, hurt them, make them look bad or extort them for cash or goods. As most of you I only want that extra 15hp that I paid for and was promised.

my trip computer is off by more than 4mpg. yea I think you made a really good point, we just want that 15 extra hp that we paid for:)

or a refund of 5.88% of our purchase price. lol

I'd want more than 5.88..try 10% LoL

http://www.importthugs.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15

some interesing info i found poking around. we need to get a government agency involved. with ford all it took was some owners and their dyno plots. please post links to any stock dynos that you have for a 2k2. thanks.

Is this for real ?
 

Does this mean my 2002 Max GLE doesn't really have 255 HP ?

Wow, is this for real ?

Thanks for answering a newbie's question ....

Lyl797

I'm not sure if it's useful enough, but here was mine from a year ago. Note it was dyno'd in the wrong gear

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You can easily do it
 

you could sue, but all the evidence will only get a Lawyer to take your case. Then you would need two brand new 2K3's off the lot, and Dyno them in a controlled environment. And then test two altimas.

seriously, is this worth it? are you really gonna make a fuss over this?

does your cell phone battery really last the 8 days on standby as promised? do the frs radios really go two miles? do you really get 256k downloads on your dsl? does diet dr. pepper really taste more like regular dr. pepper? does windoze xp really make your life easier? :D

it's just marketing, and it's how our economy works.

nissan doesn't sell hp, they sell cars. did you get a car? yes. are they willing to fix defects that pop up, and give you what you paid for? for the most part, yes. so they rounded up, or took a best-case scenario on the hp. big whoop! :cool:

the last thing we need is another lawsuit. nissan is not some big free-money cash cow. they're a company, trying to do business, and make a profit. and they're not exactly at the top of the totem pole these days as it is...

put your efforts to some good use. or at least b**ch about something you can control! :D

i would much rather get a FAT CHECK for some GAS $$$.....i drove around 100 miles...and i lost 3/5 a tank today~!!! ov course i was racing today....but...like 10 GALLONS for 100 miles??? IM NOT flooring it for a 100 STRAIGHT miles....i cruised, even used the "cruise control" ...*shaking head* not saving me any gas AT ALL~!! dang...all i want is some $$$, or a twin turbo system....freaking nissan~!! can't even do a good paintjob~!! man...chips left and right~ and top and bottom...AND i have a car bra on 3 weeks out of the month~!! ok...time i stop...list is endless....

my trip is off 4 mpgs and if it says 14.3 in the city, 10 mpg is a joke. im not driving the pathfinder here. id love for 15 extra ponies so i can show the altimas whos boss.

big grin from altima owner :) :)

all kidding aside, the altima's get screwed on gas bigtime too, we should definitely get in on this

Haha... so what you're saying is... if I send NMAC Financing a check that's "approximately" the agreed amount on my bill of sale, they won't have a problem with this, cause that's how our economy works?... and both companies and consumers have this common understanding and thus we won't hold each liable for "small details" and "clause statements" on contracts?...

:laugh:

If that were the case my friend, there would be NO NEED FOR LAWYERS!!!

Next thing you know, you'll tell me that the IRS won't mind if I send them 60% the taxes I owe... :goofy:

Steve, count me in bro... it sounds like a just cause to me.

BTW: I am also a "company" (of one) trying to do business & make a profit... duh...

G :cool:

horsepower is a number that can be measured. the taste of dr pepper and windows making life easier cant be measured. horsepower isnt an opinion its a mathematical fact. its like buying a set of 25 pound dumb bells that only weigh 15 pounds. you didnt get what you paid for and they cant dispute that. when they use 255 horsepower in their commercials as a selling point it very well SHOULD be the truth.

You guys forgot one small detail. Ever think the Altima is just underated? :laugh: Ya, that's there deffense, get a good lawyer.

my '01 maxima doesnt feel like it has 222hp stock....or are the 2k1 hp#'s correct? if not, can 2k1's get in on this?

I just dunno why nissan likes to "round off" their Hp numbers. I remember them listing the maxima as 260 hp in some ads that I saw awhile back.

This is a great idea. I'm not sure how far we will go but it's worth pursuing.

Sue Nissan, so Nissan loses money, in turn has to use cheaper parts and products in the future. My gosh, how much worse can they make the trannys if they didn't have as much money? ;)

a lot of guy your are missing the point, nissan LIED to us, the and altima isn't underrated. we are the ones who got screwed, they used 255hp as a selling point and we didn't get what we were promised and paid for. Hyundai admitted to hp errors are little as a few hp and offered ALL affected owners an extended warranty. All it took Ford was some SVT owners strapping their cars to a dyno and they gave every car 15 more HP. this isn't a small error it's a gross overstatement by nissan and they owe us. Marketing it marketing but you CAN NOT flat out lie about quantifiable numbers. If nissan can do it i think i'll round my hp numbers to a 20hp gain and 10tq with my intake, would you be mad then WHY cus you won't get what you paid for. we have more then enough ground here to stand on we just need to get a government agency involved.

definitely. i think we can get a class action suit going. i'm definitely down.

Good comment about the intake claims. But something about sueing a car company over claimed hp and torque kinda makes me feel the same way when I think abou the woman sueing McDonalds because her coffee is too hot. I know that the argument next will be; they took advantage of us, why can't we take advantage of them. Aren't you happy with your car? If yes, I would personally just leave it at that, but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong. :)

those are comparing two totally different things, they have her a coffee there was steam coming out of it, it's assumed it's hot. she burnt herself and sued mcdonalds cus's she was a DUMB@SS. we bought a car, we were told it had 255hp, they pushed that it had 255hp, some people prolly bought it over the altima cus it had 255hp but it DOES NOT. your also missing the point here, other auto makers have acknowledged errors and fixed them, what we are doind here isn't as outlandish as it sounds.

and no i'm not happy with my car.

Can I have it then please?