Power windows don't work
10-31-2013, 06:35 AM
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Power windows don't work
I know there are threads similar to this on Google but nothing exact and nothing decisive
Power windows don't work from any panel
Memory seats don't work
Power locks don't work
I don't have a key fob
Power seats, heated seats, heated steering wheel and sunroof all work. Power is getting to the master switch on the door.
What's the cause of this?
Power windows don't work from any panel
Memory seats don't work
Power locks don't work
I don't have a key fob
Power seats, heated seats, heated steering wheel and sunroof all work. Power is getting to the master switch on the door.
What's the cause of this?
10-31-2013, 02:53 PM
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The windows get their power from the same fuse & circuit breaker as the sunroof and power seats, so they are obviously OK.
The power window relay is attached to the right side of the inside fuse block. If you take the cover off to access the fuses, you can see it. However, this relay has nothing to do with the door locks. You can swap out the relay with a similar one or put a jumper in the socket. But I don't think the relay is the problem. As a test, pop out any of the other door window switches and see if there is power on them. The switches in any of the other doors have a white wire with a blue stripe. This wire comes from the relay and should have 12 volts when the ignition switch is in the on position.
Somewhat guessing, the master window switch in the driver's door could be bad. The door locks also go through this switch. The switch has a microprocessor in it that may have died. It would be nice to try another one, but these switches are expensive. If you try a junkyard switch, it must come from the same year car, Nissan keeps changing them.
I think the memory seat function is a separate problem from the windows and locks. It is built into the driver's seat switch. There are built in safety conditions that will prevent the memory functions from working. They are:
1) When vehicle speed is more than 7 km/h (4 MPH).
2) When driver’s side power seat switch is turned on.
3) When any two of the switches (set switch and memory switches 1 and 2) are turned ON.
4) When cancel switch is turned on.
5) When selector lever is in any position other than “P” (A/T) or parking brake is released (M/T).
6) When ignition switch is turned to “START” position.
(Operation resumes when ignition switch is returned to “ON”.)
7) When detention switch malfunction is detected.
The power window relay is attached to the right side of the inside fuse block. If you take the cover off to access the fuses, you can see it. However, this relay has nothing to do with the door locks. You can swap out the relay with a similar one or put a jumper in the socket. But I don't think the relay is the problem. As a test, pop out any of the other door window switches and see if there is power on them. The switches in any of the other doors have a white wire with a blue stripe. This wire comes from the relay and should have 12 volts when the ignition switch is in the on position.
Somewhat guessing, the master window switch in the driver's door could be bad. The door locks also go through this switch. The switch has a microprocessor in it that may have died. It would be nice to try another one, but these switches are expensive. If you try a junkyard switch, it must come from the same year car, Nissan keeps changing them.
I think the memory seat function is a separate problem from the windows and locks. It is built into the driver's seat switch. There are built in safety conditions that will prevent the memory functions from working. They are:
1) When vehicle speed is more than 7 km/h (4 MPH).
2) When driver’s side power seat switch is turned on.
3) When any two of the switches (set switch and memory switches 1 and 2) are turned ON.
4) When cancel switch is turned on.
5) When selector lever is in any position other than “P” (A/T) or parking brake is released (M/T).
6) When ignition switch is turned to “START” position.
(Operation resumes when ignition switch is returned to “ON”.)
7) When detention switch malfunction is detected.
11-01-2013, 11:26 AM
#8
I did not know there were different colors. I haven't seen a clear one myself, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is not the correct one. It's probably more of a different manufacturer than anything else.
11-01-2013, 09:51 PM
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DO NOT get a switch for any other year car than what your car is.
The 2000 & 2001 switch will only work in a 2000 & 2001, no other years.
The 2002 switch will only work is a 2002, no other years.
The 2003 switch will only work in a 2003, no other years.
The 2000 & 2001 switch will only work in a 2000 & 2001, no other years.
The 2002 switch will only work is a 2002, no other years.
The 2003 switch will only work in a 2003, no other years.
11-07-2013, 11:18 PM
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To get picky with your exact words, there is no BCM in a 5th gen Maxima. The 4th gen Maxima had a BCM, but Nissan redesigned it and renamed it to the SECU (Smart Entrance Control Unit) for the 5th gen.
To answer your question, I don't think the SECU would be your problem. Because of the keyfob remote, it is capable of rolling the front windows down, but not up. But it has nothing to do with the rear windows. It can also lock and unlock the doors because of the kefob remote functions. When you press a buttion on the keyfob remote, the SECU sends a type of data communications message to the driver's door master power window switch and the power window switch tells the windows or door locks to operate.
For the most part, I'm stumped. I kind of wonder if you got a bad power window switch. Also related to this, I saw a photo of a 2002 switch and it had a green bottom on it.
But did you ever verify if the power window relay was working? That was where I asked you to to check for 12 volts on the white/blue stripe wire on the window switches back in post # 4 near the top.
To answer your question, I don't think the SECU would be your problem. Because of the keyfob remote, it is capable of rolling the front windows down, but not up. But it has nothing to do with the rear windows. It can also lock and unlock the doors because of the kefob remote functions. When you press a buttion on the keyfob remote, the SECU sends a type of data communications message to the driver's door master power window switch and the power window switch tells the windows or door locks to operate.
For the most part, I'm stumped. I kind of wonder if you got a bad power window switch. Also related to this, I saw a photo of a 2002 switch and it had a green bottom on it.
But did you ever verify if the power window relay was working? That was where I asked you to to check for 12 volts on the white/blue stripe wire on the window switches back in post # 4 near the top.
Last edited by DennisMik; 11-07-2013 at 11:20 PM.
11-08-2013, 11:40 AM
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im going to check that this weekend. Im 99% sure that i ALSO had the wrong master window control switch. When i plug the new one in i can hear the relay clicking.
If the relay is bad, is this something i can just get at radio shack? or does it have to come from nissan?
If the relay is bad, is this something i can just get at radio shack? or does it have to come from nissan?
11-08-2013, 06:28 PM
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U can use a jumper instead of relay like mines
Last edited by DjHackStyle; 11-08-2013 at 06:31 PM.
11-09-2013, 12:10 AM
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The relay is not something you will find at Radio Shack. The Nissan part number is 25230-79917, list price about $29. You can also get them through rockauto.com for between $16 - $19, $20 - $25 at Autozone. But if you add the jumper, you get the convenience of the windows working without the ignition key.
With that door switch you installed, the clicking you hear may be the circuit breaker tripping and re-setting. I doubt that the relay would do that. If the clicking is happening while the ignition switch is off, it definitely is not the relay.
I keep talking about the white/blue stripe wire that brings 12 volts from the power window relay to the switches. On the 2000 & 2001, it goes to pin 12 on the driver's door switch. On the 2002, it goes to pin 11 and on the 2003 it goes to pin 10. Unfortunately Nissan used the same wire harness connectors on all the different years, so you can plug the wrong switch in. I wish I could tell you how to identify the switch.
With that door switch you installed, the clicking you hear may be the circuit breaker tripping and re-setting. I doubt that the relay would do that. If the clicking is happening while the ignition switch is off, it definitely is not the relay.
I keep talking about the white/blue stripe wire that brings 12 volts from the power window relay to the switches. On the 2000 & 2001, it goes to pin 12 on the driver's door switch. On the 2002, it goes to pin 11 and on the 2003 it goes to pin 10. Unfortunately Nissan used the same wire harness connectors on all the different years, so you can plug the wrong switch in. I wish I could tell you how to identify the switch.
11-09-2013, 03:35 AM
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The 2000 switch doesn't not have AUTO for the passenger window.the 2001 switch has both front windows auto and a clear/whiteish backing. The 2002 switch looks like the 2001 but it has a green back, if its another color it won't work. The 2003 switch has diff icons on the buttons and a clear/whiteish backing.
Just a little FYI for anyone else reading with power window problems in the future
2000 Switch
2002 Switch
2003 Switch
Can't find a picture for 2001 I'll add one later on if I do find one.
Just a little FYI for anyone else reading with power window problems in the future
2000 Switch
2002 Switch
2003 Switch
Can't find a picture for 2001 I'll add one later on if I do find one.
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11-09-2013, 08:50 AM
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Well this just got interesting...There is 12v at the white/blue stripe wire while the car is in ON. But check this out
http://s744.photobucket.com/user/iwu...4b79d.mp4.html
Im only pushing the lock button here
Ok, now this is REALLY weird.
From the Master switch
Both rear windows go down
From pass, and both rear pass switches, those windows go down.
Locks still don't work correctly, and the driver window still wont go down
Edit: Now every time i press the lock button, it locks and immediately unlocks.
And i do indeed have the 2002 switch
http://s744.photobucket.com/user/iwu...4b79d.mp4.html
Im only pushing the lock button here
Ok, now this is REALLY weird.
From the Master switch
Both rear windows go down
From pass, and both rear pass switches, those windows go down.
Locks still don't work correctly, and the driver window still wont go down
Edit: Now every time i press the lock button, it locks and immediately unlocks.
And i do indeed have the 2002 switch
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11-09-2013, 10:32 AM
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Well this just got interesting...There is 12v at the white/blue stripe wire while the car is in ON. But check this out
http://s744.photobucket.com/user/iwu...4b79d.mp4.html
Im only pushing the lock button here
Ok, now this is REALLY weird.
From the Master switch
Both rear windows go down
From pass, and both rear pass switches, those windows go down.
Locks still don't work correctly, and the driver window still wont go down
http://s744.photobucket.com/user/iwu...4b79d.mp4.html
Im only pushing the lock button here
Ok, now this is REALLY weird.
From the Master switch
Both rear windows go down
From pass, and both rear pass switches, those windows go down.
Locks still don't work correctly, and the driver window still wont go down
11-09-2013, 09:31 PM
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Now i've got another problem. I don't have a remote, and i used the power lock button to lock the doors. Now the alarm is armed on it.
How do i disable this?
i used the key to unlock my door and when i opened the door, the alarm started going off. After 30-60 seconds or so it turned off and then when i dropped off my passenger and they opened the door, it went off again. Same thing happened when i got home...
How do i disable this?
i used the key to unlock my door and when i opened the door, the alarm started going off. After 30-60 seconds or so it turned off and then when i dropped off my passenger and they opened the door, it went off again. Same thing happened when i got home...
Last edited by LaCross; 11-09-2013 at 09:50 PM.
11-10-2013, 12:15 AM
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When you use the key to open the door lock, it should disable the alarm. Have you looked into key fobs? I got mine for about 4 bucks on eBay. It might help make it somewhat convenient and predictable.
But before you go throwing parts at it, I'd disconnect the battery overnight. Hopefully something resets
But before you go throwing parts at it, I'd disconnect the battery overnight. Hopefully something resets
11-10-2013, 02:08 PM
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well when i went out this morning and unlocked the car, the alarm didnt go off...
Also, now my trunk button doesn't work. Gas still does.
Im thinking it may be a bad ground, is there any guide to where all of the grounds are?
Also, now my trunk button doesn't work. Gas still does.
Im thinking it may be a bad ground, is there any guide to where all of the grounds are?
11-10-2013, 04:02 PM
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Yes, it is in the Nissan FSM, the Electrical (EL) section, starting on page 19.
link to FSM section - http://boredmder.com/FSMs/Nissan/Maxima/2002/EL.pdf
The first 3 diagrams are points under the dash. The very first diagram is shown with the dash completely removed. I don't know if the ground point is accessible with the dash in.
I can recall seeing a ground connection that is not shown in the FSM, so I wonder if it is on my 97 Max. If you remove the driver's side kick panel, there is a ground screwed into the chassis in the vicinity of the lower corner of the door opening, by the relays that are down there. But like I say, that may be my 97 Maxima.
link to FSM section - http://boredmder.com/FSMs/Nissan/Maxima/2002/EL.pdf
The first 3 diagrams are points under the dash. The very first diagram is shown with the dash completely removed. I don't know if the ground point is accessible with the dash in.
I can recall seeing a ground connection that is not shown in the FSM, so I wonder if it is on my 97 Max. If you remove the driver's side kick panel, there is a ground screwed into the chassis in the vicinity of the lower corner of the door opening, by the relays that are down there. But like I say, that may be my 97 Maxima.
11-10-2013, 07:27 PM
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But afaik the secu doesn't control the trunk. Ill have to go searching for all of the grounds
Would the SECU need to be reset? would i need to go to Nissan for that?
Would the SECU need to be reset? would i need to go to Nissan for that?
Last edited by LaCross; 11-10-2013 at 08:09 PM.
11-11-2013, 10:38 AM
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The trunk opener does use the SECU when opened with the keyfob remote. I'm not sure about the button in the door. That is one of the many little differences between the 5.0 and 5.5 gens.
The SECU can be reset by either disconnecting the battery for 5 or 10 minutes. Give it a try, doesn't cost anything.
The SECU can be reset by either disconnecting the battery for 5 or 10 minutes. Give it a try, doesn't cost anything.
04-08-2014, 05:14 PM
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Hi guys, I am sorry to be late to this thread, but I have a question. My switch (driver side) is sick: It still works, but only if I use one finger to push on its back side while using my other finger to lift/lower its front side. (Yep, that's not easy). And it only works in manual mode.
Anybody has had this problem and tried to fix it? .... I would love to know before spending $94 on a replacement switch from RockAuto.
Anybody has had this problem and tried to fix it? .... I would love to know before spending $94 on a replacement switch from RockAuto.
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04-08-2014, 11:01 PM
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After I do the replacement, I may try to fix the old one following your suggestion.
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