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Skorp1on 01-10-2009 11:26 AM

Opinion: Turing Radius of 02 Maxima Issues: Steering noise (cracking, rubbing)
 
On an 02 Max (5.5 Gen), is everyone happy with their turning radius? One thing that bothers me the most is the large radius especially when making U-Turn or pulling into parking lot.

Also, I am experiencing noise (cracking or rubbing but not binding) coming from the bottom of the the steering column as I turn the wheel from one extreme to the other. Anyone have any ideas on what's going on (e.g. Rack or univesal joint)? Outer rods were replaced recently. I'd hate to think it's the rack because re-man rack from autoparts store runs for over $500.

Thanks.

jasonmax 01-10-2009 11:38 AM

is it stock?
mine has the squeaking noise coming from the strut mount bushings when the steering is at full lock and the wheels are going over small bumps.
it's very common for maximas.

Skorp1on 01-10-2009 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by jasonmax (Post 6804049)
is it stock?
mine has the squeaking noise coming from the strut mount bushings when the steering is at full lock and the wheels are going over small bumps.
it's very common for maximas.

front struts replaced with Tokico BLUE, strut bearing, bump stops, and dust boots. Did not replace bushing (insulator), spring seat, spring, etc. Do you think I should replace the insulator? It's got 115k miles now and I got it when it had 90k miles.

loudest noise comes when backing/pulling parking spot slowly.

Any opinion about the large turning radius issue?

Thanks.

Blitzfist 01-10-2009 11:50 AM

the one thing I dislike about how my maxima drives is the poor turning radius. Its annoying and makes getting into tight parking spaces and such difficult

Scottwax 01-10-2009 01:05 PM

When my Dad drove my car, he said it is pretty smooth, pulls hard and the turning radius is horrible! My brother's old Mountaineer turns tighter and it was AWD. No fix that I know of.

Turning your wheels all the way is going to be somewhat noisy. You'd have to get under the car and poke around to see if there is a problem in the suspension or steering rack that is causing the noise.

Skorp1on 01-10-2009 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by Scottwax (Post 6804166)
When my Dad drove my car, he said it is pretty smooth, pulls hard and the turning radius is horrible! My brother's old Mountaineer turns tighter and it was AWD. No fix that I know of.

Turning your wheels all the way is going to be somewhat noisy. You'd have to get under the car and poke around to see if there is a problem in the suspension or steering rack that is causing the noise.

hmmm...so it's really just not in my mind (as least 2 people think the radius is horrible), or worse that could indicate the car had been in an accident and later rebuilt.

WIll poke around to pinpoint the noise - when it stops snowing here in NY. It's embarassiing to backup the Max. with screeching noise and people looks at you funny.

Flat_Out 01-10-2009 03:58 PM

i noticed the turning radius sucks aswell but i think i can deal with it.

The noise you are probably experiencing is the turn limiter stud on the spindle actually hits the control arm when at full lock and there is a little piece of plastic that wears off so when it you are at full lock and the suspension moves the stud rubs on the control arm and makes noise.

bigEL 01-10-2009 09:44 PM

I knew about the turning radius before I bought my Max. I thought I could live with it, but after having to do a couple 3-point turns, it got tired of it. Within the first week of ownership, my very first mod was removing the steering stops. It doesn't turn like a compact car, but I've never had to worry about 3-point turns anymore.

n3985 01-10-2009 10:29 PM

steering bump stops...plastic caps which don't last long, once they break on lock to lock turns you'll get the noise and the weird steering feel.

CMax03 01-11-2009 10:03 AM

I don't think the stops have anything to do with the crackling, screeching sound. I think you may have multiple problems such as p/s belt tension, and possible worn strut mounts or ciol isolators....You may wanna find a warm dry garage somewhere in your area...GL

Russellwc1 01-11-2009 10:29 AM

I had some scraping noises coming from the front of my 2000 maxima. It ended up being the CV boot, and it was torn and needed to be replaced. not sure if thats your problem but just an idea

ChrisMan287 01-11-2009 10:33 AM

Turning radius blows in all 5.5 gens. I always look like an idiot when I can't make a u-turn properly.

boris 01-11-2009 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by CMax03 (Post 6805320)
I don't think the stops have anything to do with the crackling, screeching sound.

They make frightening loud metallic crackling noise (at extreme turning position only). A small amount of heavy grease eliminates it forever.

'02_EMILBUS 01-11-2009 11:18 AM

Yes... the turning radius certainly sucks. It takes some getting used to and a slight change in slow, tight-turn driving style! Just gotta deal with it, unfortunately.

I get creaking noise when I'm at full left lock, but haven't really looked into. The noise wasn't until after I put the coilovers on. :)

pmohr 01-11-2009 11:26 AM

The turning radius is terrible, a little searching makes that quite evident.

http://forums.maxima.org/5th-generat...ng-radius.html

fflint_18 01-11-2009 12:18 PM

Does anyone know the Part Number for the left bump stop? When I bought my 02 Max last week the old owner said the left one was missing and he ordered the wrong part from the dealer. Twice. I want to make sure I get it right the first time.

And where is it located??

I looked in the FSM and found nothing on it. Or I'm looking in the wrong place.

Thanks.

pmohr 01-11-2009 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by fflint_18 (Post 6805461)
Does anyone know the Part Number for the left bump stop? When I bought my 02 Max last week the old owner said the left one was missing and he ordered the wrong part from the dealer. Twice. I want to make sure I get it right the first time.

And where is it located??

I looked in the FSM and found nothing on it. Or I'm looking in the wrong place.

Thanks.

For your A33B SE:
Plastic cap for the stopper: 40039-D0100, $1.87 from Courtesy.
Stopper bolt: 40038-3Y400, $5.26 from Courtesy.

Stopper location as shown in SU-5 (highlighted in red):
http://boredmder.com/pics/maxima.org...ering-stop.png

fflint_18 01-11-2009 04:47 PM

Excellant. Is this off the Courtesy website?? I couldn't find anything like this in the FSM.

And I think I was searching with the wrong name on the Courtesy site. I was searching for Bump and stop and Bump Stop.

Shipping will probably cost more than the part. I am going to the local Nissan dealer on Tuesday to pick up my new rubber winter mats. Maybe they'll stock this.


Thanks Again.

n3985 01-11-2009 04:49 PM

Buy the Murano steering bump stops, Maxima ones are full plastic, Muranos have a metal "cap" which makes them last longer.

fflint_18 01-11-2009 04:58 PM

Do they fit on the stock Max bolt or do I have to buy Murano bolts??

n3985 01-11-2009 05:06 PM

Yes they fit no problem, I'm using them right now.

irish44j 01-11-2009 07:22 PM

a thread about peoples' opinions on turning radius - something you can't do a damn thing about. brilliant......

:banghead:

joeltender 01-11-2009 07:42 PM

If you want turning radius by a versa, otherwise develop some driving & parking skills and enjoy the ride

irish44j 01-11-2009 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by joeltender (Post 6806222)
If you want turning radius by a versa, otherwise develop some driving & parking skills and enjoy the ride

I never thought I'd hear something so correct from a CANADIAN n00b :spin:

Skorp1on 01-11-2009 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by bigEL (Post 6804968)
I knew about the turning radius before I bought my Max. I thought I could live with it, but after having to do a couple 3-point turns, it got tired of it. Within the first week of ownership, my very first mod was removing the steering stops. It doesn't turn like a compact car, but I've never had to worry about 3-point turns anymore.

So no issue with removing the steering stop? Such as tires rubbing against the lower strut/spring seat or balance/handling issue? I'd like to remove it too to help with 3-point and u-turn.

Skorp1on 01-11-2009 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by CMax03 (Post 6805320)
I don't think the stops have anything to do with the crackling, screeching sound. I think you may have multiple problems such as p/s belt tension, and possible worn strut mounts or ciol isolators....You may wanna find a warm dry garage somewhere in your area...GL

I think you're right about strut mounts or coil isolators but not about p/s tension - screech is heard way before steering stops get hit at the extreme ends. Replacing strut mounts and coil isolators are way cheaper than replacing a new rack and pinion. Thanks for your ideas.

irish44j 01-11-2009 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by Skorp1on (Post 6806277)
So no issue with removing the steering stop? Such as tires rubbing against the lower strut/spring seat or balance/handling issue? I'd like to remove it too to help with 3-point and u-turn.

do you guys live in a miniature town or something? In five years with the maxima, I never once had to do a three-point turn except in extremely tight parking garages :gotme:

pmohr 01-11-2009 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by fflint_18 (Post 6805887)
Excellant. Is this off the Courtesy website?? I couldn't find anything like this in the FSM.

And I think I was searching with the wrong name on the Courtesy site. I was searching for Bump and stop and Bump Stop.

Shipping will probably cost more than the part. I am going to the local Nissan dealer on Tuesday to pick up my new rubber winter mats. Maybe they'll stock this.


Thanks Again.

The picture is from the FSM, SU-5 for the '02.

The part numbers are from FAST, linked to Courtesy.

fflint_18 01-12-2009 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by n3985 (Post 6805924)
Yes they fit no problem, I'm using them right now.


Any certain year??

rcjunkie 07-08-2009 03:42 AM

The turning radius on my 5.5 is horrible. A Chevy Silverado has a better turning radius. I can't even make a legal U-turn at a light w/o having to give myself enough room by staying as far right on my left turn lane (almost close to the next lane) to begin my turn. I have learned to adjust the last 7 years.

Has anyone found a modification to alter the steering radius w/o causing any future problems?

Andypot1985 07-08-2009 06:38 AM

Oh i know the pain....sometimes i think a tractor trailer can turn around better than my Maxima. I have an HHR panel for work and that thing does circles in itself. Hop in the Maxima and i have to be much more careful when I do a U-turn.

LA02MAX 07-08-2009 06:48 AM

Get used to it, people. You drive a fairly small FWD car with a horizontally opposed V6. There isn't room to make the wheels turn enough to have a small turning radius. Try driving a T5 volvo. They're even worse.

pmohr 07-08-2009 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by LA02MAX (Post 7105558)
Get used to it, people. You drive a fairly small FWD car with a horizontally opposed V6. There isn't room to make the wheels turn enough to have a small turning radius. Try driving a T5 volvo. They're even worse.

FWIW 'horizontally opposed' V6 doesn't make any sense; a horizontally opposed engine is a flat engine, such as an H4 or H6.

PulsarGTS 07-08-2009 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by LA02MAX (Post 7105558)
Get used to it, people. You drive a fairly small FWD car with a horizontally opposed V6. There isn't room to make the wheels turn enough to have a small turning radius. Try driving a T5 volvo. They're even worse.

lol never heard anyone call our cars small before.

Rochester 07-08-2009 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by Blitzfist (Post 6804063)
the one thing I dislike about how my maxima drives is the poor turning radius. Its annoying and makes getting into tight parking spaces and such difficult

Oh, absolutely. Transitioning from my old 1999 Maxima to my 2003 Maxima, the lousy turning radius was the very first thing I noticed.

The 5th gen turning radius... not so good.

Andypot1985 07-08-2009 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by PulsarGTS (Post 7105844)
lol never heard anyone call our cars small before.


lol compared to the 88 Town Car i used to drive its small :D

pbn85 07-08-2009 12:29 PM

My mom's i30, which is supposed to be the same as 5.5 gens, turns better and I've experimented with this. But it doesnt make much sense why.

pmohr 07-08-2009 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by pbn85 (Post 7106014)
My mom's i30, which is supposed to be the same as 5.5 gens, turns better and I've experimented with this. But it doesnt make much sense why.

The i30 ('00-'01) is a 5th gen, the i35 is a 5.5.

FlipCpt45 07-08-2009 03:13 PM

the Mitsubishi Evolution 9 have very bad turning radius also.... you would think such a small car would have a good turning radius.. :P

pbn85 07-08-2009 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by pmohr (Post 7106051)
The i30 ('00-'01) is a 5th gen, the i35 is a 5.5.

ok, I know that. What I meant was, I thought the chasis/suspension and all that were the same. I just cant see how the 2 would be so different in their turning radius when they have the same chasis


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