Clutch pedal In = noise at idle?
04-07-2009, 11:02 PM
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Clutch pedal not pressed = noise at idle?
On my 00 5spd the clutch makes a noise when I am idling. The noise is kind of like a rattling...
When I depress the clutch the noise is gone.
If I go to the engine bay and hold the part on the transmission where the clutch hits the disengage switch (don't know the technical name), the noise is gone
Basically the two metal pieces are just vibrating against each other and I would like to know the best way to get rid of the noise? Is there something I can tighten so it won't vibrate as much?
When I depress the clutch the noise is gone.
If I go to the engine bay and hold the part on the transmission where the clutch hits the disengage switch (don't know the technical name), the noise is gone
Basically the two metal pieces are just vibrating against each other and I would like to know the best way to get rid of the noise? Is there something I can tighten so it won't vibrate as much?
Last edited by godlyone; 04-08-2009 at 04:44 PM.
04-08-2009, 08:49 AM
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Wait, what?
The title says you get the noise when the clutch pedal is in.
Then in your post you say that when you push the clutch pedal in, the noise is gone.
There's no 'disengage switch' in the engine bay, are you talking about the clutch pedal switch? That's on the pedal bracket itself.
Or are you talking about where the slave cylinder pushes against the clutch fork?
Have you tried loosening the bolts holding the slave cylinder in place, and see if it has any play to move it closer to the fork?
The title says you get the noise when the clutch pedal is in.
Then in your post you say that when you push the clutch pedal in, the noise is gone.
There's no 'disengage switch' in the engine bay, are you talking about the clutch pedal switch? That's on the pedal bracket itself.
Or are you talking about where the slave cylinder pushes against the clutch fork?
Have you tried loosening the bolts holding the slave cylinder in place, and see if it has any play to move it closer to the fork?
04-08-2009, 09:31 AM
#3
Is this vibrating noise coming from the pedal assembly or from the transmission area/clutch fork in the engine compartment?
I used to have a Subaru Legacy and one of the nuts on the clutch cable got loose and the cable allowed for a lot of play and the vibrating noise was basically just the clutch pedal itself vibrating due to a bit of slack. I don't know what to say about that for the Maxima though as it has a hydraulic clutch.
I used to have a Subaru Legacy and one of the nuts on the clutch cable got loose and the cable allowed for a lot of play and the vibrating noise was basically just the clutch pedal itself vibrating due to a bit of slack. I don't know what to say about that for the Maxima though as it has a hydraulic clutch.
04-08-2009, 11:44 AM
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Wait, what?
The title says you get the noise when the clutch pedal is in.
Then in your post you say that when you push the clutch pedal in, the noise is gone.
There's no 'disengage switch' in the engine bay, are you talking about the clutch pedal switch? That's on the pedal bracket itself.
Or are you talking about where the slave cylinder pushes against the clutch fork?
Have you tried loosening the bolts holding the slave cylinder in place, and see if it has any play to move it closer to the fork?
The title says you get the noise when the clutch pedal is in.
Then in your post you say that when you push the clutch pedal in, the noise is gone.
There's no 'disengage switch' in the engine bay, are you talking about the clutch pedal switch? That's on the pedal bracket itself.
Or are you talking about where the slave cylinder pushes against the clutch fork?
Have you tried loosening the bolts holding the slave cylinder in place, and see if it has any play to move it closer to the fork?
I believe I am talking about where the slave cylinder pushes against the clutch fork but I'm not 100% Sure (a PIC of that would help)
04-08-2009, 05:56 PM
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04-08-2009, 05:59 PM
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i have that noise, but i was told its the pilot/throw out bearing. the dealer then tried to tell me that i'll need an all new gear box, since it could be internal damages. and just as i was beginning to like this Nissan dealership. my quote from another dealer was $1,700.
i know that sound all too familiar, it sounds like rattling gears, plus upon acceleration each gear gives a high pitch sound. for some reason though, right now it's hardly heard while at idle, without the clutch pedal pressed.
i'm embarassed to drive the damned car like this, eventually i'm going with the Fidanza flywheel, and specs/Exedy stage 2 kit.
i know that sound all too familiar, it sounds like rattling gears, plus upon acceleration each gear gives a high pitch sound. for some reason though, right now it's hardly heard while at idle, without the clutch pedal pressed.
i'm embarassed to drive the damned car like this, eventually i'm going with the Fidanza flywheel, and specs/Exedy stage 2 kit.
Last edited by 02nismaxlegnd94; 04-08-2009 at 06:08 PM.
04-08-2009, 06:06 PM
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i have that noise, but i was told its the pilot/throw out bearing. the dealer then tried to tell me that i'll need an all new gear box, since it could be internal damages. and just as i was beginning to like this Nissan dealership. my quote from another dealer was $1,700
That's not that bad of a price, considering you can get a brand new HLSD 6MT from Dave B for ~$2k shipped.
04-08-2009, 06:12 PM
#11
really a limited slip gearbox for 2K, i will definitely look into that option more.
04-08-2009, 07:09 PM
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04-08-2009, 07:43 PM
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Like I said.. there is no noise during gear shifting...
and when I reach in and physically hold the fork and the thing that pushes it with my hand (to keep it from shaking) there is no noise...
It seems like there should be a rubber gasket btwn the two pieces so they don't rattle against each other
Also no noise while driving.. so its only the row rpms where they wiggle and make contact
and when I reach in and physically hold the fork and the thing that pushes it with my hand (to keep it from shaking) there is no noise...
It seems like there should be a rubber gasket btwn the two pieces so they don't rattle against each other
Also no noise while driving.. so its only the row rpms where they wiggle and make contact
04-08-2009, 07:48 PM
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Like I said.. there is no noise during gear shifting...
and when I reach in and physically hold the fork and the thing that pushes it with my hand (to keep it from shaking) there is no noise...
It seems like there should be a rubber gasket btwn the two pieces so they don't rattle against each other
Also no noise while driving.. so its only the row rpms where they wiggle and make contact
and when I reach in and physically hold the fork and the thing that pushes it with my hand (to keep it from shaking) there is no noise...
It seems like there should be a rubber gasket btwn the two pieces so they don't rattle against each other
Also no noise while driving.. so its only the row rpms where they wiggle and make contact
If there was rubber there, it would be destroyed rather quickly by the piston of the slave cylinder.
04-08-2009, 09:15 PM
#18
Hopefully that's not the case, so I don't mean to scare you, but when it's louder with the clutch engaged (out) than it is with it disengaged (in) I think it usually means the input shaft bearing is going. It's inside the transmission, and would require a tranny rebuild (or better a replacement). A common symptom of that is transmission fluid leaking through the axle seals. That was the case with my 4th gen 5spd. It was quite common with the 4th gen 5spds.
04-08-2009, 09:17 PM
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04-08-2009, 09:34 PM
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I've heard quite the opposite. I heard that if it's the throw out bearing, you'll hear noise when the clutch pedal is pressed in.
Hopefully that's not the case, so I don't mean to scare you, but when it's louder with the clutch engaged (out) than it is with it disengaged (in) I think it usually means the input shaft bearing is going. It's inside the transmission, and would require a tranny rebuild (or better a replacement). A common symptom of that is transmission fluid leaking through the axle seals. That was the case with my 4th gen 5spd. It was quite common with the 4th gen 5spds.
Hopefully that's not the case, so I don't mean to scare you, but when it's louder with the clutch engaged (out) than it is with it disengaged (in) I think it usually means the input shaft bearing is going. It's inside the transmission, and would require a tranny rebuild (or better a replacement). A common symptom of that is transmission fluid leaking through the axle seals. That was the case with my 4th gen 5spd. It was quite common with the 4th gen 5spds.
my rattle is heard when the clutch is in at a neutral position, not engaged. if it's pressed in without engaging any gears, the sound disappears. as i ease up on the clutch pedal, a spinning sound is heard getting faster as the clutch is fully depressed.
as i go through the gears while driving, the sound is heard until i ease up on the gas pedal, or throw her in neutral. no leaks at all.
right now the spinning sound is almost gone, i havent changed anything in that area, what gives?
Last edited by 02nismaxlegnd94; 04-08-2009 at 09:36 PM.
04-08-2009, 09:58 PM
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my rattle is heard when the clutch is in at a neutral position, not engaged. if it's pressed in without engaging any gears, the sound disappears. as i ease up on the clutch pedal, a spinning sound is heard getting faster as the clutch is fully depressed.
as i go through the gears while driving, the sound is heard until i ease up on the gas pedal, or throw her in neutral. no leaks at all.
right now the spinning sound is almost gone, i havent changed anything in that area, what gives?
as i go through the gears while driving, the sound is heard until i ease up on the gas pedal, or throw her in neutral. no leaks at all.
right now the spinning sound is almost gone, i havent changed anything in that area, what gives?
You just said that when the clutch is not engaged, and when it is in when in neutral. That means that you're pressing the clutch pedal down, disengaging the clutch, which is directly contradicting what you said earlier.
You then say that when you press it in the sound disappears.
And depressed does not mean you're lifting off of the pedal, it means you're pushing the pedal down. Think flammable vs inflammable (or similar), not **** vs decock.
It's most likely your ISB.
04-08-2009, 10:17 PM
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my bad, put it like this, engine started, clutch pedal on the floor, no sound.as i lift my foot off the clutch, stick in neutral position (no gears selected), a spinning sound is heard in slow revolutions. the more i let off the pedal the more faster the revolutions can be heard. pedal slowly pressed to the floor spinning slows to a stop. i hope this helps to clarify the symptoms.
it did this for months, as for the last 2 weeks it suddenly stopped making the sound. but while driving it's loud and clear throughout all the gears. it quiets down as i move to a higher gear , while switching in low rpm's.
it did this for months, as for the last 2 weeks it suddenly stopped making the sound. but while driving it's loud and clear throughout all the gears. it quiets down as i move to a higher gear , while switching in low rpm's.
04-12-2009, 10:34 PM
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sorry to say it is the inputshaft bearing
if the noise happens when the pedal up ( engaged ) it is the throw out bearing also known as the release bearing.
if the noise happens with the pedal down ( dis-engaged ) it is the inputshaft bearings..... and with the noise you get it might be abit more than just beaings...
rebuild it
dont waste your time and money with release bearing.... ive had three of these trannys do this to me... every mechanic says its the release bearing.
if the noise happens when the pedal up ( engaged ) it is the throw out bearing also known as the release bearing.
if the noise happens with the pedal down ( dis-engaged ) it is the inputshaft bearings..... and with the noise you get it might be abit more than just beaings...
rebuild it
dont waste your time and money with release bearing.... ive had three of these trannys do this to me... every mechanic says its the release bearing.
04-12-2009, 10:39 PM
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sorry to say it is the inputshaft bearing
if the noise happens when the pedal up ( engaged ) it is the throw out bearing also known as the release bearing.
if the noise happens with the pedal down ( dis-engaged ) it is the inputshaft bearings..... and with the noise you get it might be abit more than just beaings...
rebuild it
dont waste your time and money with release bearing.... ive had three of these trannys do this to me... every mechanic says its the release bearing.
if the noise happens when the pedal up ( engaged ) it is the throw out bearing also known as the release bearing.
if the noise happens with the pedal down ( dis-engaged ) it is the inputshaft bearings..... and with the noise you get it might be abit more than just beaings...
rebuild it
dont waste your time and money with release bearing.... ive had three of these trannys do this to me... every mechanic says its the release bearing.
If you disengage the clutch, the input shaft is no longer turning, so it couldn't be the ISB making noise. The TOB does not rotate with the clutch engaged, so it can't make any noises then.
04-14-2009, 12:26 PM
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04-14-2009, 06:07 PM
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so it looks to be my input shaft bearing then. what would you guys recommend? rebuild or replace?
04-14-2009, 06:09 PM
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04-14-2009, 06:15 PM
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more than a couple hours Paul. haha.
If you want to pay somebody to repair it then just buy a damn trans. It's worth the peace of mind to know that you have a new one under there. If you are doing it yourself then buy the parts and fix it.
If you want to pay somebody to repair it then just buy a damn trans. It's worth the peace of mind to know that you have a new one under there. If you are doing it yourself then buy the parts and fix it.
04-14-2009, 06:25 PM
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I think another 6mt tranny is in my future. if i was still in Brooklyn i would have attempted to do it myself, living in an apartment in Cali, no way possible. i tried to find Dave B, can you point me towards him, pmohr.
04-14-2009, 06:28 PM
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The most common places are Dave Burnette at SouthPoint Nissan in Texas, 1-888-254-6060 and tell him you are from the org. Or courtesyparts.com. Dave will probably be a couple bucks cheaper, and much better service. He is in the stickies in the generation-specific maxima forums above, but he works parts at SouthPoint Nissan in Austin and hooks up forum members with very good deals.
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