Two words I never thought I'd say: Sprint Booster
07-21-2010, 04:37 PM
#161
It's not an ideological box, its a technical/physical box constrained by the laws of nature/physics.
My enthusiasm for this topic stems for the reason I visit this forum: to help others by providing good information. The desire to provide good information encompasses the desire to also refute bad information. This isn't my first thread where I've told someone they're wrong.
My enthusiasm for this topic stems for the reason I visit this forum: to help others by providing good information. The desire to provide good information encompasses the desire to also refute bad information. This isn't my first thread where I've told someone they're wrong.
You know, it's not so much that I disagree with you, because I think at the core we're actually talking about different things. And I respect the quantitative approach when it's taken seriously, particularly in the manner you take it.
I'm very happy to respectfully allow that the Sprint Booster does nothing for throttle lag in any measurable way. (I also don't care, but I'll still allow for it if you want.) Can you respect that some people prioritize the qualitative factors over the quantitative ones?
For the umpteenth time, I like how the Sprint Booster changes the way I drive. I know this goes against the grain, but there really is no right or wrong here.
Last edited by Rochester; 07-21-2010 at 04:41 PM.
07-21-2010, 04:52 PM
#162
I'm very happy to respectfully allow that the Sprint Booster does nothing for throttle lag in any measurable way. (I also don't care, but I'll still allow for it if you want.) Can you respect that some people prioritize the qualitative factors over the quantitative ones?
I would bet money that people (the general population; the average 'guy') wouldn't be able to identify vehicles with a sprint booster if they had no previous experience with the vehicles. Since they have no prior experience (a baseline), they will not notice the change in (pedal-acceleration feedback) feel, and will just assume that's 'normal'.
Regarding peoples values, yes; one must respect others operate under different value systems (for better or worse), and will spend money accordingly. Although, I believe (honest, technically correct) attempts can be made persuade individual values since people learn and their values change (thought these are not always correlated).
07-21-2010, 04:55 PM
#163
Me too, buddy. If a little bit of both our efforts rub off on the other... that's how people learn.
07-21-2010, 05:39 PM
#165
i deleted every post from your thread...even the ones where I made valid points
07-21-2010, 06:00 PM
#167
07-21-2010, 06:19 PM
#170
07-21-2010, 06:33 PM
#172
so Rochester, i guess after everything is said and done about how awesome the sprint booster is; you (or anyone else equipped with the S.B.) willing to take a trip to the track to see if there's any possible improvement in the 60' foot, 1/8 or 1/4?
07-21-2010, 06:47 PM
#173
+1 i hate going off but dyno and all the blah blahs... its very easy to prove things to people... show em results... im sure this thing is great but i would really like to see some very grounded facts and proof
07-21-2010, 06:49 PM
#174
if it only improves throttle response, there shouldnt be an improvement in the 1/4 mile...IF it did anything, it would show in auto-x or road course...somewhere where you are on and off the throttle...but a good driver could get any gains this gives...taking a good line, late braking, early throttle, etc
07-21-2010, 06:51 PM
#175
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WELL SAID!.....although sometimes the but dyno is all one needs to tell them there is a change......look...the sprint booster just alters the signal.......it will NOT change the cars 0-60 or trap speed in the quarter mile......WHY...because you are mashing the pedal to the floor......in such case...the car is at maximum throttle with...or without the sprint booster......this is just a gimmick that increases the pedals sensitivity and tricks your senses into believing the car "seems" faster.....as I said before....unless this thing is covertly pushing boost into the engine.....there is NO increase in measurable power.....just an increase in ones perception of power.......
Last edited by 2 GO B4; 07-21-2010 at 06:57 PM.
07-21-2010, 06:57 PM
#176
"its fun" and "it feels like the throttle response is quicker" isnt enough to convince most people
i never complained about the "poor throttle response" with my car...correct gear...push pedal...gone
Last edited by SoonerFan; 07-21-2010 at 07:00 PM.
07-21-2010, 07:05 PM
#177
Do you not all get what Rochester is saying here? I don't want to put words in his mouth, but my perception is, (and it was pretty easy to percieve), is that he Doesn't Care about the numbers. He enjoys the fun factor. He enjoys the everyday, on the street pleasure that he gets out of it with His Car. Enough Already.
07-21-2010, 07:13 PM
#178
Do you not all get what Rochester is saying here? I don't want to put words in his mouth, but my perception is, (and it was pretty easy to percieve), is that he Doesn't Care about the numbers. He enjoys the fun factor. He enjoys the everyday, on the street pleasure that he gets out of it with His Car. Enough Already.
07-21-2010, 07:18 PM
#179
Doubtful a short-throw shift kit would affect your track times either. Not in our cars, at least.
07-21-2010, 07:21 PM
#180
Do you not all get what Rochester is saying here? I don't want to put words in his mouth, but my perception is, (and it was pretty easy to percieve), is that he Doesn't Care about the numbers. He enjoys the fun factor. He enjoys the everyday, on the street pleasure that he gets out of it with His Car. Enough Already.
07-21-2010, 07:22 PM
#181
If you weren't half a country away, I'd let you plug it into your Xterra, because according to knight_yyz, the AT module for the 5.5 Maxima is the same as the one for your truck.
Kind of a funny coincidence, all things considered.
07-21-2010, 07:25 PM
#182
a STS and this mod will do nothing in the 1/4...just in something that involves up and down shifting and getting on and off the throttle
though I FEEL, that a good driver doesnt need either...though i did have the STS...really just to fix the LONG throws and notchiness of our 6MT
07-21-2010, 07:30 PM
#183
And since I never offered anyone anything other than saying, "Hey, this is fun!"... skeptics remain skeptical.
If you weren't half a country away, I'd let you plug it into your Xterra, because according to knight_yyz, the AT module for the 5.5 Maxima is the same as the one for your truck.
Kind of a funny coincidence, all things considered.
If you weren't half a country away, I'd let you plug it into your Xterra, because according to knight_yyz, the AT module for the 5.5 Maxima is the same as the one for your truck.
Kind of a funny coincidence, all things considered.
thank god i didnt buy it was its quickness
07-21-2010, 07:36 PM
#184
Do you not all get what Rochester is saying here? I don't want to put words in his mouth, but my perception is, (and it was pretty easy to percieve), is that he Doesn't Care about the numbers. He enjoys the fun factor. He enjoys the everyday, on the street pleasure that he gets out of it with His Car. Enough Already.
The benefit of the sprint booster is a change in accelerator pedal response ('feel'); where the booster 'amplifies' the pedal position sensor's output to provide a greater throttle opening (and output) at a given pedal position. While this product certainly changes 'feel', there are no measurable performance increases. I don't understand why some are continuing to ask for performance numbers.
Rochester enjoys the new feel and is happy; good for him.
EDIT: I take one phone call and find another 7 posts; fast moving thread is fast.
07-21-2010, 07:41 PM
#185
Amen to that, 2slow. Thank you.
Lots of interesting things happened here on this thread today, more than most will ever know. But I think it's running out of steam now, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Good night, Org.
Lots of interesting things happened here on this thread today, more than most will ever know. But I think it's running out of steam now, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
Good night, Org.
07-21-2010, 08:29 PM
#186
Yeah, +1 to "this thread is really confusing with half the posts deleted."
So, um, the moral of the story is: Take off stupid mods like this when you sell your car, or at least tell the person what you have on there. When I changed the spark plugs on my new-to-me Max, I found that awful Tornado pre-air-swirler thing in the last part of the intake's plastic pieces. Yeah. Interestingly enough, my gas mileage did go down a bit after I took it out and polished the intake pieces... 'Cause I was doing some hard driving to feel the VQ's more mighty roar, now that it was freed from grime and massive gaps on the spark plugs (they were the stock NGKs that came with the car 8 years and 120K miles ago. Oops!).
Rochester, I thought you were a mod(erator) here? Your behavior was rather unfitting at times. Yeah, that makes me feel like a jerk for saying that (I don't know you. =/), but it needed to be said. On a completely different note, I am confused about one thing: Why are you installing all those performance mods if you aren't interested in Auto-cross or some other form of racing..? How did you convince your wife (I think I've seen you mention having a wife and kids) to let you spend money on this stuff?
So, um, the moral of the story is: Take off stupid mods like this when you sell your car, or at least tell the person what you have on there. When I changed the spark plugs on my new-to-me Max, I found that awful Tornado pre-air-swirler thing in the last part of the intake's plastic pieces. Yeah. Interestingly enough, my gas mileage did go down a bit after I took it out and polished the intake pieces... 'Cause I was doing some hard driving to feel the VQ's more mighty roar, now that it was freed from grime and massive gaps on the spark plugs (they were the stock NGKs that came with the car 8 years and 120K miles ago. Oops!).
Rochester, I thought you were a mod(erator) here? Your behavior was rather unfitting at times. Yeah, that makes me feel like a jerk for saying that (I don't know you. =/), but it needed to be said. On a completely different note, I am confused about one thing: Why are you installing all those performance mods if you aren't interested in Auto-cross or some other form of racing..? How did you convince your wife (I think I've seen you mention having a wife and kids) to let you spend money on this stuff?
07-21-2010, 10:04 PM
#187
I don't know where everyone is getting all these ideas that their Maxima will be faster with the sprint booster. It doesn't add horsepower, it doesn't add torque. It remaps the throttle to eliminate lag. It won't improve your 1/4 mile time.
If you are too far away from a shop, order one with your credit card and send it back if you don't like it. I know my dealer was willing to do this when the sprint booster first came out. Maybe you guys can swing the same deal.
If you are too far away from a shop, order one with your credit card and send it back if you don't like it. I know my dealer was willing to do this when the sprint booster first came out. Maybe you guys can swing the same deal.
07-21-2010, 10:07 PM
#188
You can read about this on the g35 forum, the BMW forum, the porsche forum, mercedes forum. And it's the same thing. People tried it and liked it, and everyone who hasn;t tried it thinks those who have are full of it.
07-21-2010, 11:08 PM
#189
Rochester already did this. And he made this thread and no one believes him.
You can read about this on the g35 forum, the BMW forum, the porsche forum, mercedes forum. And it's the same thing. People tried it and liked it, and everyone who hasn;t tried it thinks those who have are full of it.
You can read about this on the g35 forum, the BMW forum, the porsche forum, mercedes forum. And it's the same thing. People tried it and liked it, and everyone who hasn;t tried it thinks those who have are full of it.
Thanks for saying I missed the entire point of the thread though since I obviously missed that Rochester didn't believe in/like the sprint booster at before installation. I didn't post that sentence 3x in other posts or anything.
07-21-2010, 11:09 PM
#190
07-21-2010, 11:22 PM
#191
07-22-2010, 05:20 AM
#193
The point was that IF SOMEONE ELSE DID IT TOO IT MIGHT BE MORE BELIEVABLE. THEN IF A 3RD PERSON DID IT AND WAS LIKE OMG AMAZING THEN IT WOULD BE EVEN MORE BELIEVABLE! WOW HARD CONCEPT IS HARD.
Thanks for saying I missed the entire point of the thread though since I obviously missed that Rochester didn't believe in/like the sprint booster at before installation. I didn't post that sentence 3x in other posts or anything.
Thanks for saying I missed the entire point of the thread though since I obviously missed that Rochester didn't believe in/like the sprint booster at before installation. I didn't post that sentence 3x in other posts or anything.
google sprint booster, and you will find that the bmw guys love it, the Porsche guys love it, the g35 guys love it and the mercedes guys love it. And ya, in every forum there are the naysayers who haven't tried it. Everyone in here has their head stuck in the sand and can't think outside the box. Looks like you will have to be "number three" to try it then you can start a thread about how much you liked it. Then you can get flamed. Sad but true. If the naysayers had actually tired the darn thing I wouldn't even be posting in here. But all the negative posts are coming from people who refuse to believe that the sprint booster actually does what it claims. Not trying to be a jerk, just saying...
07-22-2010, 06:22 AM
#194
"Needed to be said"?
OK, Newbie. Public Service noted. Welcome to the Org.On a completely different note, I am confused about one thing: Why are you installing all those performance mods if you aren't interested in Auto-cross or some other form of racing..? How did you convince your wife (I think I've seen you mention having a wife and kids) to let you spend money on this stuff?
As to my family and my budget... that was a ballsy question, and none of your business.
07-22-2010, 06:26 AM
#195
This issue is getting a bit out of hand...
The benefit of the sprint booster is a change in accelerator pedal response ('feel'); where the booster 'amplifies' the pedal position sensor's output to provide a greater throttle opening (and output) at a given pedal position. While this product certainly changes 'feel', there are no measurable performance increases. I don't understand why some are continuing to ask for performance numbers.
Rochester enjoys the new feel and is happy; good for him.
EDIT: I take one phone call and find another 7 posts; fast moving thread is fast.
The benefit of the sprint booster is a change in accelerator pedal response ('feel'); where the booster 'amplifies' the pedal position sensor's output to provide a greater throttle opening (and output) at a given pedal position. While this product certainly changes 'feel', there are no measurable performance increases. I don't understand why some are continuing to ask for performance numbers.
Rochester enjoys the new feel and is happy; good for him.
EDIT: I take one phone call and find another 7 posts; fast moving thread is fast.
The throttle position (plate angle) reaches the maximum (wide open) faster .. so there is a dead zone (i.e. maximum throttle reached) vs OEM, as noted in a graphic you posted some time ago.
Which is logical because the throttle can only open so much before it starts closing again.
Say 0º = WOT, then anything @ +/-1º will mean less throttle opening, hence the dead zone of ms.
07-22-2010, 06:30 AM
#196
I love it when manny and 2slow pull out the slide rulers. I get this buzzing noise in my head, and the words get all blurry.
Have at it, guys. This thread is making me tired.
Have at it, guys. This thread is making me tired.
07-22-2010, 06:40 AM
#197
For the other car in the garage .... I actually think it be worthwhile ... because of it's not so pleasant throttle behavior.
And from the technical explanation/theory, I think that is exactly what this car needs.
And from the technical explanation/theory, I think that is exactly what this car needs.
07-22-2010, 06:48 AM
#198
NMex, What's wrong with the GC's throttle? Is it as sloppy and miserable as the new Sonata's?
07-22-2010, 06:52 AM
#199
Never driven the one with 6 holes, but the 4cyl, yeah it's sloppy, and it's not because of turbo lag either, it's just sloppy. Had a sonata as rental and samew thing, not the new TC'd Sonata's, but the previous gen.
07-22-2010, 07:35 AM
#200
Originally Posted by Rochester
As to my family and my budget... that was a ballsy question, and none of your business.