.ORG, I need you ASAP. 03- P1610 NATS Malfunction
I'm halfway through a purchase of a 2003 TE 6MT, and I need your guys help before I go all the way.
The car was listed AS IS, not running. Seller said he had a CPS, or CKPS code before, and a few days ago he was just driving, the car sputtered and died. He assumed it was the CPS/CKPS (not sure which code he had). Now, I check the car over, it cranks and cranks but no start, and I get the following codes: P0447 - Evap Vent P1610 - NATS Malfunction ***** - NATS Malfunction I forgot to write down the 2nd NATS code. I cleared the codes, the car fired right up. I drove it up and down the driveway, and parked it. I retrieved the codes again, and got: CURRENT CODE: P0447 - Evap Vent PENDING CODE:>>>>>>>>>>>P1610 - NATS Malfunction What am I into here? Immobilizer module? Possibly just something silly? A dealer reset perhaps? Need you guys large here, I'll be researching all night, but please brainstorm with me, time is not on my side. If I'm going to be into LARGE $$$ to fix this I need to know now, so I can walk away. TIA -Matt |
i get the 1610 everytime my battery runs below 10v.this happens to me when i run the stereo with the engine off i can tell when it happens cause when i start the car the security light will stay lit but be very dim it does go away for me after a short drive.you may also want to check if there is an aftermarket alarm or has been an aftermarket alarm in the car i have seen this may times while working in the install bay all it takes is some one to fool with the rf antenna wires for the key sence.im just giving you some previous experiences both personal and what i have seen happen they are both easy fixes and easy to check and i hope its a simple fix for you.
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how much is he asking?
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Originally Posted by cjandura
(Post 8136973)
i get the 1610 everytime my battery runs below 10v.this happens to me when i run the stereo with the engine off i can tell when it happens cause when i start the car the security light will stay lit but be very dim it does go away for me after a short drive.you may also want to check if there is an aftermarket alarm or has been an aftermarket alarm in the car i have seen this may times while working in the install bay all it takes is some one to fool with the rf antenna wires for the key sence.im just giving you some previous experiences both personal and what i have seen happen they are both easy fixes and easy to check and i hope its a simple fix for you.
Originally Posted by kiyakerz
(Post 8136974)
how much is he asking?
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Ok so from what I've read so far, there are four 'common' circumstances that cause this code,
1. Failure of the NATS immobilizer unit 2. Faulty Key Chip 3. Attempting to crank the car over in excess of "x" times (unsure of specific number) 4. Signal interferance from another RF source in the car. All of these things sound reasonably priced and fairly easy to fix. My concern is if it could be something else alltogether. I know the NATS immobilizer will prolly cost me $500 to swap out because I live in Canada and we get hosed on price. Plus I need to pay dealer to program, and keys (Id have 2 made up while Im at it) Do you guys think there could be any higher expense than $500, or some serious gremlins going on here? Those would be 2 things that would make me walk away and just keep my AE -Matt |
Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000
(Post 8137099)
Ok so from what I've read so far, there are four 'common' circumstances that cause this code,
1. Failure of the NATS immobilizer unit 2. Faulty Key Chip 3. Attempting to crank the car over in excess of "x" times (unsure of specific number) 4. Signal interferance from another RF source in the car. All of these things sound reasonably priced and fairly easy to fix. My concern is if it could be something else alltogether. I know the NATS immobilizer will prolly cost me $500 to swap out because I live in Canada and we get hosed on price. Plus I need to pay dealer to program, and keys (Id have 2 made up while Im at it) Do you guys think there could be any higher expense than $500, or some serious gremlins going on here? Those would be 2 things that would make me walk away and just keep my AE -Matt 1. bump 2. I'd run through all the fuses for the lulz/it couldn't hurt to check |
Ok got the car home, it shut off about 4 times on the way and the driver had to clear the ECU codes, then she would start back up. He said the car had NO power though the whole way, could barely get to highway speeds.
The NATS issues I believe was caused by a remote start system that the previous owner apparently didn't know about. There was a RF antenna in the windsheild, I unplugged it, cleared the codes, and no NATS pending codes or current codes have reappeared yet. Hope that's all it was, but I need to fix/remove the Remote start, if you push the clutch in the car acts like its in "ON" key positon, with the keys removed! Also, if the car is running and the clutch pedal is down, you can remove the keys completely and as long as you hold the clutch down, it stays running. I have issues with this thing for sure, but hopefully the NATS is no longer a big part of those issues. Thanks for the helpful responses, I'll update if the issue reappears. |
Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000
(Post 8138410)
Hope that's all it was, but I need to fix/remove the Remote start, if you push the clutch in the car acts like its in "ON" key positon, with the keys removed!
Also, if the car is running and the clutch pedal is down, you can remove the keys completely and as long as you hold the clutch down, it stays running. |
I can help you out with removing the alarm system ill just need some pictures to guide me with helping you.
remove the knee panel and panels around the streering and the drivers side kick panel.take pictures of all those areas.get some good butt connectors,crimpers or soldering,heat shrink.you probly have anything else that may be needed. |
Tuner, now that you have the car (and a whole bucket of projects related to it), start another Progress Thread that your friends (and lurkers) can subscribe to. Cross reference it with whatever specific issue threads you start.
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Originally Posted by Rochester
(Post 8138660)
Tuner, now that you have the car (and a whole bucket of projects related to it), start another Progress Thread that your friends (and lurkers) can subscribe to. Cross reference it with whatever specific issue threads you start.
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So was the NATS issue resolved? And what else is wrong with the car?
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question is why? u allready had a well off max?
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Originally Posted by Prophecy99
(Post 8138904)
question is why? u allready had a well off max?
True story. |
Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000
(Post 8138410)
Ok got the car home, it shut off about 4 times on the way and the driver had to clear the ECU codes, then she would start back up. He said the car had NO power though the whole way, could barely get to highway speeds.
The NATS issues I believe was caused by a remote start system that the previous owner apparently didn't know about. There was a RF antenna in the windsheild, I unplugged it, cleared the codes, and no NATS pending codes or current codes have reappeared yet. Hope that's all it was, but I need to fix/remove the Remote start, if you push the clutch in the car acts like its in "ON" key positon, with the keys removed! Also, if the car is running and the clutch pedal is down, you can remove the keys completely and as long as you hold the clutch down, it stays running. I have issues with this thing for sure, but hopefully the NATS is no longer a big part of those issues. Thanks for the helpful responses, I'll update if the issue reappears. https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=3bbda...50AE8660%21106 |
Originally Posted by MAXXED_816
(Post 8138540)
That would freak me out lol. Soo did you purchase it?
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Originally Posted by cjandura
(Post 8138630)
I can help you out with removing the alarm system ill just need some pictures to guide me with helping you.
remove the knee panel and panels around the streering and the drivers side kick panel.take pictures of all those areas.get some good butt connectors,crimpers or soldering,heat shrink.you probly have anything else that may be needed.
Originally Posted by cjandura
(Post 8139268)
Those issues you are having are from a remote start that was installed incorrectly!IT IS VERY DANGEROUS AT THIS POINT..some one used the back door method to bypass the built in safty feature needed for remote starting a manual car.please do not drive this car until the system is repaired or removed this bypass method can cause the car to shut off and the steering wheel to lock at high speed.Check these links i had uploaded all of the alarm wiring guides for 4th and 5th gens.
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=3bbda...50AE8660%21106
Originally Posted by Rochester
(Post 8138660)
Tuner, now that you have the car (and a whole bucket of projects related to it), start another Progress Thread that your friends (and lurkers) can subscribe to. Cross reference it with whatever specific issue threads you start.
Introduction thread coming, and progress thread coming. I've already removed the decals and done some minor Diagnostics, etc.
Originally Posted by Shift_Max
(Post 8138879)
So was the NATS issue resolved? And what else is wrong with the car?
Originally Posted by Prophecy99
(Post 8138904)
question is why? u allready had a well off max?
Although I haven't decided what I'm doing with either car yet, I have issues with this 2003, it's running like total crap, and has a top end tick that bothers me. Also valve cover leaks appear to be getting bad. I am doing compression tests and spark plug inspection before anything else, the I'll get into sensor cleaning and MAF relearn (need to find the DIY for that on here still). We will see if I can make it a solid reliable car before I make any decisions.
Originally Posted by Rochester
(Post 8138951)
Tuner drove my car last week, and got a bad case of iwantit. ;)
True story. |
A modded 2001 Anniversary Edition... and a 2003 SE 6MT in Polished Titanium?
You're such a slut. :squint: |
I see your ninja edit John ;)
And yes, yes I am. |
I was going to say spoiled, but slut works :)
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For some reason the AE looks huge next to the new ride. What are you going to do with the AE?
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Basically he said vq35>vq30 lol. But the pearl bliss is a very nice color.
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Originally Posted by MAXXED_816
(Post 8139775)
I was going to say spoiled, but slut works :)
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Originally Posted by Rochester
(Post 8140080)
I've met Tuner, and been to his home. "Spoiled" is so very wrong, you have no idea. He's a decent, hard-working, single father... with a hobby interest in the Maxima, and a knack for flipping cars.
More power to ya Tuner, im envious. Where does he live? PM me if your down to jack. :D |
Dammit P1614 popped back up (NATS CODE). I'm pretty sure this is the other code I couldn't identify initially. The P1610 is not currently evident or pending.
Hopefully removing the remote start system fixes this issue fr me. |
Originally Posted by Rochester
(Post 8140080)
I've met Tuner, and been to his home. "Spoiled" is so very wrong, you have no idea. He's a decent, hard-working, single father... with a hobby interest in the Maxima, and a knack for flipping cars.
+1 on that. Wish I could help you, man. Best of luck. Knowing your pit bull like dedication to you car(s), I'm sure you'll get to the bottom of the issue eventually. |
Ok so I'm dying to know, how much did he sell it to you for?
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Our markets are different anyways, so's our dollar, so it doesn't really matter. I got it quite cheap, but there are some serious issues, so all in all not that cheap after I'm done.
Anyways, relevant to my thread, I disconnected the hacked in module for the Antitheft, and found burnt exposed power wires, NOT good. I havent pulled the whole thing yet but I will eventually, for now, I've got the engine torn apart and think I have 2 cylinders that need rings, and a valve cover seal fr the spark plug tube on #5. |
Which one is #5? Isn't that rear-middle? Tuner, that's a known fail on the 5.5. I believe Nissan has since corrected the design in their parts supply line, but for literally 1/3 the replacement cost, you can just buy the 2004 covers. That's a pretty common fix.
It reads like you've got larger issues, but when you put things together again, get a 6.0 gen valve cover for the rear. |
Originally Posted by Rochester
(Post 8141800)
Which one is #5? Isn't that rear-middle? Tuner, that's a known fail on the 5.5. I believe Nissan has since corrected the design in their parts supply line, but for literally 1/3 the replacement cost, you can just buy the 2004 covers. That's a pretty common fix.
It reads like you've got larger issues, but when you put things together again, get a 6.0 gen valve cover for the rear. I recall hearing something about getting the 6th gen cover but didn't know why. Oh, and it's the driver side rear (closest to TB) FIREWALL 1<>3<>5 2<>4<>6 RADIATOR |
Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000
(Post 8141860)
FIREWALL
1<>3<>5 2<>4<>6 RADIATOR Another 6.0 gen "fix" is to use the 2004 pivot arm for the 6MT. The 5.5 gen design has been known to snap, but usually only by people who take their Maxima to the strip. I think it only costs like $15 or thereabouts. And the VC is like $45. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head, except for maybe the 6.0 gen brakes as a BBK. |
Originally Posted by Rochester
(Post 8141984)
Doh! :eek: Glad I could help, in my own minimalist and befuddled way.
Another 6.0 gen "fix" is to use the 2004 pivot arm for the 6MT. The 5.5 gen design has been known to snap, but usually only by people who take their Maxima to the strip. I think it only costs like $15 or thereabouts. And the VC is like $45. Can't think of anything else off the top of my head, except for maybe the 6.0 gen brakes as a BBK. I have a friend who can get stuff from the wreckers for good deals so it's useful to know everything I may want off a 6th gen, thanks! |
Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000
(Post 8142126)
What pivot arm are you referring to?
I have a friend who can get stuff from the wreckers for good deals so it's useful to know everything I may want off a 6th gen, thanks! |
wow congrats on the purchase, good luck with all, im sure you let us know all your plans soon
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