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mmitchell29 Sep 20, 2013 05:31 AM

Battery went dead, now it won't start
 
I've seen several posts about this subject, but haven't really seen an answer particular to my situation. I have a 2002 Maxima that sat for about a month thus the battery going dead. Well, without unhooking the battery placed a battery charger on it charging the battery. Once charged, it cranks but does not start, at all, doesn't even try. It was running fine when parked and the only problem was the battery going dead. I can hear the fuel pump priming up when I turn the key on, I've checked the timing chain, plugs are good. I'm just not sure what else to do, so if anyone has any other suggestions I'd appreciate it.

TunerMaxima3000 Sep 20, 2013 07:24 AM

Security light is probably on solid.
Try to cycle the key on for a second then off for 10 seconds. Do this until the security light goes out. If this doesn't work, you may have to clear the faults (if there are any) out of the ECM with a scan tool.

Another option is disconnecting the battery for a few hours or overnight and trying again by connecting the battery and unlocking the car with the fab.


Of course, this is assuming that the security light is on solid.

george__ Sep 20, 2013 07:48 AM

I drained the battery on my Maxima a few times before due to dashcam. Each time this happened I used jumper cables and it started fine but I know my battery is working

gapboi210 Sep 22, 2013 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by george__ (Post 8853805)
I drained the battery on my Maxima a few times before due to dashcam. Each time this happened I used jumper cables and it started fine but I know my battery is working


ok and...........?

TunerMaxima3000 Sep 23, 2013 06:33 AM

Nevermind George he just likes to post useless commentary that most often makes no sense or barely relates to the thread at all.

mmitchell29 Oct 3, 2013 07:08 AM

No, my security light is NOT on at all.

Did you ever find a resolution?

I'm completely baffled.

TDotMax Oct 3, 2013 10:01 AM

I had this issue when I had mine parked up. Turned out to be some sort of fuse. Not sure which one but my mech had to order it from the dealership.

DennisMik Oct 3, 2013 10:25 AM

In the fuse block under the hood by the battery, check two fuses. The cover has them labeled ENG CONT 1 and ENG CONT 2.

mmitchell29 Oct 5, 2013 01:24 PM

I found the fuses ENG CONT 1 & ENG CONT 2. Both show continuity, as well as all other fuses and relays, under the hood.

ajahearn Oct 5, 2013 02:10 PM

I had a case where the battery charger indicated everything was fine but the battery had an internal short which killed any chance to start. After replacing the battery it ran fine. Have you tested the battery?

george__ Oct 5, 2013 02:33 PM

Do you have aftermarket stuff installed in your car?

It could be draining your battery when you don't drive the car for x amount of days

gapboi210 Oct 5, 2013 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by ajahearn (Post 8860232)
I had a case where the battery charger indicated everything was fine but the battery had an internal short which killed any chance to start. After replacing the battery it ran fine. Have you tested the battery?


+1

We had a car come in the shop the other day. The lights all turned on bright, battery showed 12.1 volts but the second you tried to start it, it would die. Had an internal short in the battery. Pretty common especially with Interstate batteries. They put the plates very close together for more cranking amps.

mmitchell29 Oct 6, 2013 08:03 PM

No aftermarket products whatsoever, i.e. no alarm, no aftermarket stereo, completely stock car. Battery will take a full charge and crank continuously (without a charger) until it's dead.

DennisMik Oct 6, 2013 09:26 PM

For the car to start, 3 things are needed - air, fuel and a spark. You need to find out which one is missing. I'm willing to assume it is getting air so that leaves fuel and spark.

Take off any one of the coil packs. Also take the spark plug out for that cylinder and then plug it into the coil pack. With the wire harness plugged into the coil pack and the spark plug grounded to metal, have someone crank the engine and see if there is a spark happening at the end of the spark plug.

TunerMaxima3000 Oct 8, 2013 05:52 PM

^That. Once you confirm you have spark you can investigate fuel.
Does the car have any engine codes?

TexasTex Oct 8, 2013 06:09 PM

Try another battery.

gapboi210 Oct 8, 2013 06:25 PM

I dunno if I would suggest another battery if it is able to crank for a long time. While someone is cranking, try shooting some carb cleaner into the throttle body and see if it tries to run that way.

TexasTex Oct 8, 2013 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by gapboi210 (Post 8861411)
I dunno if I would suggest another battery if it is able to crank for a long time. While someone is cranking, try shooting some carb cleaner into the throttle body and see if it tries to run that way.

I did exactly that on my girls Honda not too long ago and it fired right up. Her car had been sitting for over a month and the battery died. I charged it on a charger for three days and got a solid charge but it wouldn't start after cranking for minutes at a time.

So I put the battery from the Maxima in it and it fired it right up. I ended up taking the battery back to Costco to warranty it out. New one worked great and we sold the car.

chetubar Oct 11, 2013 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by mmitchell29 (Post 8853748)
I've seen several posts about this subject, but haven't really seen an answer particular to my situation. I have a 2002 Maxima that sat for about a month thus the battery going dead. Well, without unhooking the battery placed a battery charger on it charging the battery. Once charged, it cranks but does not start, at all, doesn't even try. It was running fine when parked and the only problem was the battery going dead. I can hear the fuel pump priming up when I turn the key on, I've checked the timing chain, plugs are good. I'm just not sure what else to do, so if anyone has any other suggestions I'd appreciate it.

Hi! I had the same problem yesterday, i sat my maxima for about one month and the battery going dead, the battery was removed to recharge it, once charged, i put it back, my car cranks but didn't start. After one day trying to start it checking fuses and all the basic things that you have to check the solution was very easy and it was the last thing that cross by my mind before take my car to the shop. I just press the unlock button in my key control remote for 5 seconds then the Windows went down and thats it my car start perfect, i think when you remove the battery the safety system is activated. Good luck!

berniek Oct 13, 2013 10:37 PM

Spark checking
 

Originally Posted by DennisMik (Post 8860627)
For the car to start, 3 things are needed - air, fuel and a spark. You need to find out which one is missing. I'm willing to assume it is getting air so that leaves fuel and spark.

Take off any one of the coil packs. Also take the spark plug out for that cylinder and then plug it into the coil pack. With the wire harness plugged into the coil pack and the spark plug grounded to metal, have someone crank the engine and see if there is a spark happening at the end of the spark plug.

There is no need to pull the spark plug. Shove a #1 Philips screwdriver into the coil high tension hole, and see if you get an arc from a GROUNDED clip lead when cranking. Be sure the clip lead is grounded or you will get a nasty shock.

If you have spark, see if the engine does anything when spraying starting fluid into the intake. The probable best way to get to it is to remove the air filter from its housing. I can't vouch for absence of damage to the MAF, but there is no reason I know of that ether/heptane mixture (starting fluid) would harm it.

Hope this helps the start of diagnosis.

mmitchell29 Oct 22, 2013 03:34 PM

I'm getting no spark at all.

DennisMik Oct 22, 2013 07:15 PM

There are many things that could cause the problem. The fusible link under the hood labeled "FL80A MAIN 1", the crankshaft sensor, the camshaft sensor, the ignition relay and more.

Do you have 12 volts on the red wire of the ignition coil connector? This could be another bads fuse, under the hood labeled "ENG CONT 1".

Child_uv_KoRn Oct 22, 2013 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by DennisMik (Post 8866834)
There are many things that could cause the problem. The fusible link under the hood labeled "FL80A MAIN 1", the crankshaft sensor, the camshaft sensor, the ignition relay and more.

Do you have 12 volts on the red wire of the ignition coil connector? This could be another bads fuse, under the hood labeled "ENG CONT 1".

Yeah, kinda sounds like one of the sensors went bad since everything else is checking out.

Max_Gator Oct 23, 2013 05:40 AM

Have you tried another battery yet???

mmitchell29 Oct 24, 2013 04:37 PM

Yes tried another battery today. I just hate to pay dealership prices but it seems that may be my only resolve.

mmitchell29 Oct 24, 2013 04:45 PM

I've even went as far as removing the ECU and opening it up to find nothing apparently wrong/burnt, after reading another thread where someone had an ECU go bad after learning the IAC motor had locked up, only to find it was the active motor mounts creating the original issue.

Gemner Oct 24, 2013 04:50 PM

if you have an FSM, follow the no start checklist. If you dont have an FSM, start with getting an FSM and then follow the no start checklist

I believe there is a fuse in the fuse box inside the cabin, I would check on that first.

Do you get 12V to the coils with the ignition on?

TunerMaxima3000 Oct 24, 2013 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000 (Post 8861386)

Does the car have any engine codes?

Didn't see an answer to this

mmitchell29 Oct 26, 2013 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by TunerMaxima3000 (Post 8867708)
Didn't see an answer to this

I don't own a code reader and have no way of driving it anywhere since it won't start, therefor I have no way of knowing if it has an engine code or not.

TunerMaxima3000 Oct 26, 2013 12:16 PM

Well you need to get the codes read. Find a friend that has one. Find someone with the Torque App for their smart phone and the OBDII Bluetooth thing for it. You need to read the codes, that is a VITAL part of diagnosing this problem. Without reading codes you are just shooting fish in the dark.

mmitchell29 Oct 26, 2013 12:52 PM

Someone else had asked if it was receiving 12vdc to the coil packs and indeed it is. I also have a Sentra and swapped the coil packs and plugs to it and they do spark in it. I'll ask around and see if anyone has a code reader.

Gemner Oct 28, 2013 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by mmitchell29 (Post 8868329)
I don't own a code reader and have no way of driving it anywhere since it won't start, therefor I have no way of knowing if it has an engine code or not.

you can read the codes out without a code reader

1) Sit in the driver's seat.
2) Turn the ignition key to the ON position and wait three seconds. (Do not start the car.)
3) Rapidly depress and release the accelerator pedal 5 times in less than 3 seconds.
4) Wait 7 seconds. Push the pedal all the way down for ten seconds until the SES light flashes.
5) Release the pedal and start counting flashes to obtain the four-digit trouble code.

The SES light either flashes quickly or slowly, 10 slow blinks basically means prepare to read the code, then it will blink quickly to read out the first number of the code, pause, then begin blinking quickly to read out the next number (this happens up to 4 times), 10 quick blinks is a 0.

Its pretty obvious once you get it going what the flashes mean.

(I cant believe it took 2 days for someone to tell you that, you slacking maxima.org)

mmitchell29 Oct 28, 2013 06:54 PM

2 codes;
P1610
P1612

mmitchell29 Oct 28, 2013 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Gemner (Post 8868932)
you can read the codes out without a code reader

1) Sit in the driver's seat.
2) Turn the ignition key to the ON position and wait three seconds. (Do not start the car.)
3) Rapidly depress and release the accelerator pedal 5 times in less than 3 seconds.
4) Wait 7 seconds. Push the pedal all the way down for ten seconds until the SES light flashes.
5) Release the pedal and start counting flashes to obtain the four-digit trouble code.

The SES light either flashes quickly or slowly, 10 slow blinks basically means prepare to read the code, then it will blink quickly to read out the first number of the code, pause, then begin blinking quickly to read out the next number (this happens up to 4 times), 10 quick blinks is a 0.

Its pretty obvious once you get it going what the flashes mean.

(I cant believe it took 2 days for someone to tell you that, you slacking maxima.org)

Thank you Gemner!!!

mmitchell29 Oct 28, 2013 07:15 PM

Both point to NATS immobilizer. Guess that means a trip to dealership anyhow.

mmitchell29 Nov 11, 2013 04:55 PM

I don't feel so bad now. Been at the Nissan Dealership since my last post and they can't figure it out either. Key replacement: $150, immo unit $???.??, master entry unit $612.??, and still won't start.

mmitchell29 Nov 26, 2013 07:12 PM

Anyone need a 2002 Maxima that won't start? This one's headed for the crusher.

Gemner Nov 27, 2013 08:24 AM

no but if its a 6 spd Ill take your passenger axle

mmitchell29 Jan 19, 2014 11:10 AM

Anyone else have any other ideas? I don't have thousands of dollars to spend on the car but would like to fix it. Sorry Gemner it's an auto. I wonder if an auto start bypass module would work?

ac max 92 Jan 19, 2014 11:33 AM

Did you replace the battery yet?? Another thing to check is to see if the cylinders were flooded after cranking so much and depressing the accelerator so try pulling the plugs and see if they're wet. If so dry them up and pull the fuel pump relay and crank it a few times to get excess gas out of the cylinders then put the relay back, plugs back and crank it over but it sounds like the battery is pooched if the car started and ran fine before it sat i don't see why it would be a sensor.


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