Kinetix & Spacers Installed!!
Hey peeps!!
Well today I dropped the max off for the install of the Kinetix, Spacers, and the UDP. I just got the car back tonight. Unfortunately the shop was very busy and could not get to the UDP. But the Kinetix and spacers were installed. And I must say.... what a difference in the cars performance!! The sound is incredible!! The lighting for the pics was poor and the shop could not get some "in action" pics of them installing. The cost for install was $434 (for all 3). The cost of the Kinetix & Spacers are well worth it. Well I hope you guys enjoy!! I owe these 2 installs to my homies Mark & Aaron. Thanks for the support guys!! Oh!!... and my girlfriend Liz who paid for the installs!! LOL!!! :laugh: http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...Picture190.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...Picture189.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...Picture188.jpg http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...Picture191.jpg |
Oh!! I did have some questions for all the guys with these installs....
There is an idle when using the tronic for the shifts. Did you guys experience that also? Well it balance out when the cars computer learn about the new toys? |
Beautiful man, absolutely beautiful.
Any difference in sound? HP Loss on low rpms? |
Whoa. I think I just peed myself. AWESOME man, just awesome. Looks beautiful with the AEM intake.
Joshua |
What's the advantage(s) of doing these mods and what's the purpose for each of them?
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Increases Intake Flow. Phenolic spacers do some hicky-mcgigger thing that lowers the car's intake temp by reducing heat soak from the grenolias flubber. Kinetix quite expensive, spacers quite inexpensive. Kevin runs this on his 12 second Nitrous Max (I believe).
WOOT. I have a beer. Joshua |
SSIM > Kinetix...
The shop should have reset your idle Kevin gains from the Kinetix because he has nitrous and allowing more air=profit from the Kinetix...but n/a=meh so far...no "legit" dynos and as far as I know, the SSIM is a much better mod than the Kinetix, both financially and performance wise. .02 but looks great! :nod: |
Originally Posted by !PrjctMax!
(Post 6187023)
SSIM > Kinetix...
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Damn... Must be nice :D thats hot :cool:
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looks nice
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Glad it all worked out, looks great!!! LOL, now you can stop PMing me over it...J/K :laugh:
Love the color of the AEM intake, wish my intake was the same... |
Originally Posted by MaXXXpower
(Post 6186941)
Beautiful man, absolutely beautiful.
Any difference in sound? HP Loss on low rpms? Big difference in sounds. Sort of a low growl but not exactly a growl. I will try to get a sound clip of her. No loss at all. She peels out pretty hard now. |
Originally Posted by chernmax
(Post 6187187)
Glad it all worked out, looks great!!! LOL, now you can stop PMing me over it...J/K :laugh:
Love the color of the AEM intake, wish my intake was the same... I was going to give you the credit for the UDP you help but now when I think of it...LOL!!! J/K Chris!! You were a major help with the Kinetix too. I appreciate your help to brother Dont forget about the soul food!! :D |
Originally Posted by 2k4MaximaSE
(Post 6186967)
What's the advantage(s) of doing these mods and what's the purpose for each of them?
To be 100% honest......if Chern gets it... then I will try also |
Originally Posted by GrimMax
(Post 6187231)
Well the advantage in my eyes is more power.
To be 100% honest......if Chern gets it... then I will try also |
SSIM = Secret Sauce Intake Manifold
Includes removing the VIAS butterfly plate and completely removing the aluminum shelf inside the main chamber of the upper intake manifold. You may lose low end power, but the gains you get in the top end are definitely worth it. VIAS = Variable Induction Air Control System It's a term used by Nissan in their Factory Service Manual. It is just like it sounds. It's the stock variable intake system. So when someone says they are simply removing the VIAS and nothing else, all they are doing is removing the variable intake butterfly plate inside the intake manifold. Just like the SSIM, you lose low end and should gain more top end to make it worth doing. That's the theory anyway. I haven't proved this yet. The SSIM takes a LOT more work to do and the results have been proven time and time again. So when you do the SSIM and/or VIAS plate removal, having this cap plate that is ready to bolt up makes it easier and much nicer looking than hacking up the stock plate. http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....highlight=ssim |
Originally Posted by jimmypronet
(Post 6187089)
Damn... Must be nice :D thats hot :cool:
I was on the 6 month saving plan for this thing. LOL!! :laugh: |
Originally Posted by philoforlife
(Post 6186957)
Whoa. I think I just peed myself. AWESOME man, just awesome. Looks beautiful with the AEM intake.
Joshua I kind of regret getting the red intake though. If I knew then about the Kinetix then I would have got the chrome finish instead. |
Originally Posted by GrimMax
(Post 6186934)
....... There is an idle when using the tronic for the shifts......
As usual, the Kinetix IM looks great. Too bad they couldn't get to your UDP while they were in there. Congrats on that upgrade. Did happen to dyno before the spacers and IM were installed? When you say "there is an idle", what exactly do you mean? |
Originally Posted by redls1
(Post 6187502)
SSIM = Secret Sauce Intake Manifold
Includes removing the VIAS butterfly plate and completely removing the aluminum shelf inside the main chamber of the upper intake manifold. You may lose low end power, but the gains you get in the top end are definitely worth it. VIAS = Variable Induction Air Control System It's a term used by Nissan in their Factory Service Manual. It is just like it sounds. It's the stock variable intake system. So when someone says they are simply removing the VIAS and nothing else, all they are doing is removing the variable intake butterfly plate inside the intake manifold. Just like the SSIM, you lose low end and should gain more top end to make it worth doing. That's the theory anyway. I haven't proved this yet. The SSIM takes a LOT more work to do and the results have been proven time and time again. So when you do the SSIM and/or VIAS plate removal, having this cap plate that is ready to bolt up makes it easier and much nicer looking than hacking up the stock plate. http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....highlight=ssim
Originally Posted by Apollos2
(Post 6187670)
When you say "there is an idle", what exactly do you mean?
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Originally Posted by !PrjctMax!
(Post 6187798)
True on all, BUT SSIM includes doing the VIAS, so you're being redundant. :angel:
With removing the IM you have to reprogram the idle... |
^rozumiem...I understand in Polski :)
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ya ponemayoo rooski
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Originally Posted by DeusExMaxima
(Post 6187816)
ya ponemayoo rooski
Parents speak/understand Polish, Russian, English, Ukrainian, Bulgarian (I think the last two are very similar, just like Spanish and French) I'm only bilingual :( lol |
Looks great!!!!
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THAT looks like an animal...I'm so jealous :thumbsup:
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NICE NICE NICE NICE!!!!!! :doublethu After I am done with my exterior project I will be messing with the engine and I LOVE how yours look! How much HP exactly did you/can you gain from this mod?
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Originally Posted by Apollos2
(Post 6187670)
As usual, the Kinetix IM looks great. Too bad they couldn't get to your UDP while they were in there. Congrats on that upgrade. Did happen to dyno before the spacers and IM were installed?
When you say "there is an idle", what exactly do you mean? Well the idle actually cleared... what happen was that I was using the tronic, and when the car would normally shift to second on its own, it was only hitting max rev and not shifting on its on. When I saw that happening, I had to shift myself. But now its perfect. I called the shop and they did follow the instructions after install so I am about 90% sure that the computer just needed to know about the new install. |
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Originally Posted by GrimMax
(Post 6188267)
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Originally Posted by GrimMax
(Post 6188082)
No I didnt get the dyno done before. I really need to get her into a shop for one now.
Well the idle actually cleared... what happen was that I was using the tronic, and when the car would normally shift to second on its own, it was only hitting max rev and not shifting on its on. When I saw that happening, I had to shift myself. But now its perfect. I called the shop and they did follow the instructions after install so I am about 90% sure that the computer just needed to know about the new install. |
Here is an interesting read from my350z.com about there kinetix.
The SSV is known for not being a good intake manifold because of its cost and the various people who have reported power losses with it has spread like wild fire overshadowing the people the SSV has gained power for. However I think there is a pattern to the people who have lost power and the many people who have actually gained power. I think you'll find that people who have upgraded their cams and/or headers, and/or ported/polished their heads and then a tune have all had good results with the SSV. The people who have lost power or haven't noticed a difference all have the stock heads, cams, and exhaust manifolds or small TT exhaust manifolds. The idea is, if the engine can't get the air out easily enough through the actual engine itself, the SSV will lose power. This also has applied to all sorts of other engines http://www.vetteweb.com/tech/vemp_07...old/index.html Quote: Rather, the intake-manifold-runner lengths must be tuned to work in conjunction with the cam profile, the head-flow numbers, and even the primary-tubing diameter of the exhaust. Failure to tune runner length will result in less power rather than more, regardless of the airflow numbers of the ports themselves. Some other articles/write-ups that support this are http://headerdesign.com/extras/engin...take_Manifolds http://www.wighat.com/fcr3/engine.htm http://www.team-integra.net/sections...sp?ArticleID=2 These people all have cams and/or headers, and/or port/polished heads and have all gained power or at least felt they gained power with the SSV. vortech, alphawerks headers gained power from 4500 to redline would have gained more power across the whole powerband if tune wasn't 2 pts too rich http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv vortech, stillen headers gained power http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv vortech, cams and headers did some minor mods and gained power all over the powerband, feels the SSV helped http://www.my350z.com/forum/showpost...;postcount=112 TN kit, built long block, ported heads, JWT cams gains all over the powerband http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143573 vortech, DC headers lost power above 5500 rpms, however was way too rich there - possibly inconclusive? gained power between 2200-3000 rpms - just needed to lean out A/F there back to normal http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv NA, Tomei 268 cams, crawford headers felt a gain in power http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv NA JWT cams, crawford headers felt like a gain in power over crawford plenum http://www.my350z.com/forum/showpost...mp;postcount=8 topspeed headers felt a gain over kinetix V4 http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv FI with cams feels the SSV is a little better than the V4 plenum http://www.my350z.com/forum/showpost...p;postcount=34 him and his mechanic also believe the issue with letting an intake manifold flow more has to do with how well the air can flow through the heads Quote: I also had a very long chat with my mechanic about plenums and such. He has built an 11.0 sec car from an old Corolla 4 cylinder (this would run 10 or lower in the US) and did all the mods on my car so I guess he knows what he's talking about. He basivcally told me that we can do what we want to our plenums, but at some point it will not improve anymore. Once the plenum is 100% efficient/big enough/flows enough/etc (*)... the real bottleneck is below the plenum. The valves and the intake ports are still restricting airflow so you would need to port the intake ports, go for a bit bigger valves. Would be nice to know if something like this was done to the car with that enormous HP gain... TT, built long block, cams gained 17 lbs tq, 26 whp with SSV http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv These cars lost power with the SSV and they all are running the stock heads/cams with stock exhaust manifolds or smal TT exhaust manifolds. I'm sure there's quite a few more people who have reported losses with the SSV, but from doing my own extensive searching, these are the people I've found who have reported losses. NA, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds no gains felt and no faster 1/4 mile times http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=ssv APS TT stock engine, small APS exhaust manifolds power loss http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...;highlight=SSV vortech, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds lost 10 tq in midrange, top end hp stayed same http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthre...ghlight=SSV+10 NA, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds SSV lost power http://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=208880 APS single turbo, stock engine, stock exhaust manifolds 22 hp lost JoeDirtPharmD's post near bottom of page on http://www.az350z.com/forum/viewtopi...;highlight=ssv I have also come across two people with stock NA engines without headers who posted that they felt a gain in power with the SSV and 2-3 NA people with stock NA engines without headers who said they haven't noticed a difference with it. For turbo cars, think about the turbos being right there blocking some of the airflow right at the exhaust manifold. Sure the exhaust probably flows great after the turbo, but this would add further evidence why turbo setups lose power with the SSV by having the restriction put so close to the engine itself __________________ |
Originally Posted by coitaltie
(Post 6188318)
Please get the dyno done. Im interested in seeing how much of a gain you get. unfortunately headers are the only real horsepower gain for these babys. Id like to be proven wrong though.
____ redls1-funny that we both posted almost at the same time! :p |
Sorry not including nitrous. There now someone prove me wrong. Prjctmax, you seem to be on the same page as I.
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Originally Posted by coitaltie
(Post 6188355)
Sorry not including nitrous. There now someone prove me wrong. Prjctmax, you seem to be on the same page as I.
I still love the car and the TQ but after reading and noticing so many things lately in RWD cars, it's just so "meh" Just yesterday I got to drive a CLK55 AMG around my dealership as a "taxi" between one dealership to the next. I personally think the car looks like a big black ****-stain, but the motor/rwd/firm handling was :drool: The TQ was just so :buttshex: that it scared me a few times! I still <3 my first and only car, but the expectations of my future car have pulled a complete 180. ___ How the **** that got so out of line, I don't know...but you see my point |
Originally Posted by !PrjctMax!
(Post 6188380)
I am coming to my senses that the Maxima isn't all that I thought it was...nor can it be that...it WILL come close and surprise so many people, but after-market supply, and money just shoot it down for most people.
I still love the car and the TQ but after reading and noticing so many things lately in RWD cars, it's just so "meh" Just yesterday I got to drive a CLK55 AMG around my dealership as a "taxi" between one dealership to the next. I personally think the car looks like a big black ****-stain, but the motor/rwd/firm handling was :drool: The TQ was just so :buttshex: that it scared me a few times! I still <3 my first and only car, but the expectations of my future car have pulled a complete 180. ___ How the **** that got so out of line, I don't know...but you see my point |
Originally Posted by coitaltie
(Post 6188318)
Please get the dyno done. Im interested in seeing how much of a gain you get. unfortunately headers are the only real horsepower gain for these babys. Id like to be proven wrong though.
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I really dont know that much about all that stuff Red wrote. But I can say that the Kinetix & the spacers are worth the money. Yesterday I had a run against a modified TC and I didnt even know until I looked at the speedometer that I was doing about 130 which never hit without me noticing that I was going that fast. The gains are real. But you wont know until you buy the item instead of reading what others had to say. This thread was not made to down grade good parts despite the money. Thanks.
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I never said anything good or bad. Just passing on some info I read. Happy you like it.
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Originally Posted by GrimMax
(Post 6186930)
Hey peeps!!
Well today I dropped the max off for the install of the Kinetix, Spacers, and the UDP. I just got the car back tonight. Unfortunately the shop was very busy and could not get to the UDP. But the Kinetix and spacers were installed. And I must say.... what a difference in the cars performance!! The sound is incredible!! The lighting for the pics was poor and the shop could not get some "in action" pics of them installing. The cost for install was $434 (for all 3). The cost of the Kinetix & Spacers are well worth it. |
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