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Old 08-12-2017, 12:08 PM
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8th Gen non-Bose Stereo Install

First of all: props to Tommie70 for going first. The information in his thread here was invaluable. Thank you.
Second: props to logicallysick for showing me where to find the Nissan service manuals. Also invaluable information. Thank you.

My install tools arrived this week, so this weekend I started to catch my knowledge base up with Tommie70 and answer some other questions that have been asked on this forum. This first photo is of the tools I bought. Those that have been immediately useful are across the top, those I haven't used yet are vertical on the bottom.

That "straight" hook (as opposed to the J-hook which you can't see because it's in the sun) was great for removing the cover plates that hide the screws holding the door finishers on. There is one screw behind the door opener lever and another at the bottom of the well in the door handle you pull to close the door.

I'm going to stop by Nissan and get some extra green clips. One of the clips (or pawl?) in my front door finisher was crushed and needs replacing.
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Old 08-12-2017, 12:48 PM
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Front door beta

I'll start with the reconnaissance I did in the front door. Several photos below:

Front door: this is just a photo of the front door with the finisher removed.
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Front door speaker: a close-up shot of the 6"x9" factory speaker in the front door. It has a plastic cone, foam surround and a paper whizzer cone. Another user asked for dimensions in a different thread, I'll post those here: measuring from the back of the mounting flange the mounting height (how tall the speaker is measured from whatever you'll bolt it to) is 3/8", mounting depth is 3-1/8", magnet diameter is 3-1/8".
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Front door speaker removed: gives you a look at the factory "enclosure" or "stand-off". As Tommie70 said in his thread, there is a veritable cavern behind these door speakers. My installation will be like Tommie70's in that I'm going to install plywood adapters into the factory "enclosures" and mount component mid-bass drivers there. Mounting depth with the "enclosure" installed is 7". However, see below if you want to go a different route.
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Front door speaker stand-off removed: Here's what the door looks like without the factory "enclosure" or "stand-off". The hole in the door is big enough (nominally 5-1/2" x 8-3/8") for you to reach at least half-way across the door for Dynamat installation. If you cut a plywood adapter to fit across this hole and match the factory bolt pattern (use the "enclosure" as a template) you could mount any coaxial speaker here you want. There is a structural bar across the door panel directly behind the speaker mount, but even with the bar mounting depth available is 4-3/4". So without the "enclosure" you gain 2-1/4" clearance between the speaker and door finisher for coaxial tweeters and such.
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Mirror corner cover removed: this shows what's behind that cover where Tommie70 mounted his front tweeters. None of the mirror mounting bolts or mirror control cable poses a problem, at least for the JL Audio 3/4" tweeters I plan to install there.
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Mirror corner cover with tweet: this shows my 3/4" tweeter resting inside the cover plate. I actually reinstalled the cover plate with the tweeter rolling around and didn't have any trouble, so that's where they'll go after I've installed the new wires.
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I forgot to run a fish through the factory boot between the frame and the door, but just feeling around it seems like there's room enough to run a 16ga wire through the boot and avoid drilling new holes in the frame and door. I think I'd prefer to mount my cross-overs in the door anyway for shorter wire runs from the cross-over to the drivers. If I can't fish a new wire through the factory boot I'll consider pulling the factory speaker wires back through the boot to make room.
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Rear door beta

Here's what I found when I took the rear door apart.

Rear door: A view of the rear door without the finisher installed.

Rear door speaker location: a close-up photo of the inside of the rear door where the speaker would be. The speaker "sits" to the right of where that black cable (window switch) comes through the plastic. It's hard to tell in this photo since I didn't remove the plastic, but there is a metal panel directly behind the rear door speaker position, so after-market speaker options will be limited.

Rear door finisher: a photo of the inside of the rear door finisher. To fully remove the door finisher, remove the entire window switch assembly, not just the white part of the plug/connector. Then you can disconnect the speaker wire and the finisher will be free.

Rear door speaker: a close-up of the rear door speaker. The speaker itself measures 1/4" from the back of the flange to the "face" of the speaker (mounting height), 1-3/8" from the back of the flange to the back of the magnet (mounting depth) and the magnet is 2-3/8" in diameter. I also measured the plastic mounting plate/ flange: 3-1/4" square "outside-to-outside" with a square bolt pattern that measures either 2-5/8" or 2-11/16" on a side. Oh, yeah, the speaker itself is a paper cone, paper dust cap and foam surround.

Rear door opener cable hole: if you're really skilled, it might be possible to use this hole in the door for a different speaker mounting location. I think it would require major modification to the door finisher, though. Just thought I'd post a photo.

I've already stripped the screw holes that mount the rear door speaker, so please be careful. I am considering mounting rear tweeters in this location, rather than in the rear deck like Tommie70 did. If I do that, I'll fill the screw holes with epoxy and then retap them when I mount the tweeters. I think tweeters flush-mounted to a 1/4" plywood adapter plate would fit fine in this location.
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Old 08-12-2017, 01:31 PM
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Wires, fuse holders, distribution blocks, etc. are due in next week. More in a couple of weeks.

As you can see, Crutchfield's current information about the front doors isn't really correct, if you look at it from an installer's point of view (rather than someone who's looking for pure plug-and-play). Their information about the rear door is correct, as far as it goes. But, I think that location would make a good spot for a tweeter to compliment whatever I put in the rear deck, so there you are.

No beta about the dash-mounted tweeters yet. I think those might just get disconnected since I agree with Tommie70: the dash isn't the best place for speakers. However, I'll at least attempt to take them out for measurements and see what kind of room is in there for those that want to use that location but fit different speakers there.

My install is going to be in several stages because I can't have my car apart for days at a time. The first phase of the install will be power from the battery to the trunk and signal from the factory head unit to the trunk. I am considering running power under the center console instead of through the wire chases under the door sill plates. That way the power wire will be away from the speaker and signal wires. I might not, though. I'll be tying 16ga wires into the head unit wiring harness and routing those to the trunk.
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Old 08-13-2017, 03:41 PM
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I tried, and failed, to remove just the covers over the dash-mounted speakers. There isn't enough room between the dash and the windshield to get the covers off. I did manage to expose the right speaker, though. It appears to be the same 3-1/2" speaker used in the rear doors. Since I wasn't able to get the cover off, though, I was unable to investigate available mounting depth or get a good idea of how much mounting height is available between the speaker and the cover.

I don't think my current plans include removal of the full dash, so that may have to suffice. You never know, though. Taking things apart and putting them back together can be addicting.
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Old 08-14-2017, 08:33 PM
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First of all: props to Tommie70 for going first. The information in his thread here was invaluable. Thank you.
Second: props to logicallysick for showing me where to find the Nissan service manuals. Also invaluable information. Thank you.

My install tools arrived this week, so this weekend I started to catch my knowledge base up with Tommie70 and answer some other questions that have been asked on this forum. This first photo is of the tools I bought. Those that have been immediately useful are across the top, those I haven't used yet are vertical on the bottom.

That "straight" hook (as opposed to the J-hook which you can't see because it's in the sun) was great for removing the cover plates that hide the screws holding the door finishers on. There is one screw behind the door opener lever and another at the bottom of the well in the door handle you pull to close the door.

I'm going to stop by Nissan and get some extra green clips. One of the clips (or pawl?) in my front door finisher was crushed and needs replacing.
Glad I was able to help. I was in the same situation at when I first got mine. I wanted to install my setup from my 2012 Altima Coupe asap. Nice write up by the way, looking forward to see what you do.
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Old 08-25-2017, 04:51 PM
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Power cable installation

Step 1A: installing the power cable from the engine compartment to the trunk. And, as long as the driver's side is taken apart, installing the speaker wire for the front left speaker.

I was not completely successful today: I got stymied trying to find a way through the fire wall. I couldn't reach deep enough to get through either the hood release boot or the main harness boot. I didn't feel comfortable drilling a new hole. I may pay an installer to finish this part of my install for me. Suggestions?

Here are the tools that I used for this part. Only a few needed.

I'll make several other posts with details of the bits and pieces I took apart to route the wires.
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:03 PM
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Rear seat beta

I started by taking out the rear seat, mostly. The seat cushion is as easy to remove as Tommie70 shows in his thread. The release handles are in the left and right corners and are easy to find by feeling under the cushion. Pull the release handle forward and pop the cushion up. Then pull it forward away from the seat belt clips. Be careful with the cushion: it's only foam and upholstery, so it would be easy to damage/ crease.

The seat back proved too smart for me. For some reason only the passenger side seat back would fold down for me. I'll have to talk with my dealer about that. I wasn't able to remove the seat backs as you can see in the photos. The side bolters are held in place at the top by a couple of "pins", just pull gently but firmly toward the front of the car and they will come loose.

Even with the seat back only partly out, I could follow the factory harness from the driver's side sill into the trunk using the plastic wire fish I bought.

Sorry I don't have more photos, most of them didn't come out right.
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:14 PM
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Trunk beta

I didn't do things in this order, but for these posts, I'll go from back to front.

To get access to the trunk, start by taking out the cargo net and the trunk mat. Next, fold the carpet over so you can get access to the bottom edges of the left side finisher and the rear finisher.

Next, remove the rear finisher. First, take out the ***** that hold the cargo net in place. These are "super size" dual clips, so use a trim tool to release the top "button" the pull the **** out. There's also a normal size dual clip which you can release with a screw driver. The rear finisher is held in place with four or five snap clips, pull gently but firmly straight up and it will come out.

The left side finisher is held in place by four or five dual clips and a bit of Velcro. One of the dual clips is in the "roof" of the trunk, so you have to look a bit. This opens up most of the left side of the trunk for wire pulling.
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:30 PM
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Sill finisher beta

Once the rear seat cushion is out, the sill finishers can be removed by pulling gently but firmly straight up. I also released the finisher for the B-pillar, but didn't remove it all the way. That at least gave me the ability to reach under that finisher for pulling the cables.

The kick panel finisher in the front of the car is a little harder to remove. It pulls straight away from the wall of the car, but the clips are tight. I didn't post a photo of this, but I did pull the floor mat out and rolled the carpet out of the way looking for better access and visibility to the fire wall.

As you can see, there is plenty of room under the sill finishers for more wire. I am running 4 ga power and 16 ga speaker wire. At this time, the spare wire is coiled up and tucked up above the parking brake. I'm going to try to fish the speaker wire through the factory boot to the driver's side door tomorrow. I may make another attempt to get through the fire wall, too.
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Wheel well beta

To try to get to the fire wall, I removed the tire and released about half of the wheel well liner. As I said, I didn't have any luck finding a way through the fire wall today. Here are a few photos.
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Engine compartment/ air filter

And a photo of the engine compartment showing the air filter removed. I think this will only be important once I find a way though the fire wall and need to use zip ties to run the power cable with the main wire harness.
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:41 PM
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Hiding places in the trunk

Here are some photos of the trunk showing where the cables come through, and where I'm hiding them for now.
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I ran my power wire through the hood release boot. I use a section from a metal hanger and crimped it to the wire. From there pushed it through the hood release boot from inside the car. I had to take off the air filter assembly to reach the piece of hanger. Then just pulled it through. Hope that helps.
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Passenger-side door beta

I didn't take any photos of yesterday's work since the passenger-side is so similar to the driver's side as far as cable routing is concerned. I ran wires for high-level signals from the factory head unit and also a speaker cable for the front drivers from the front to the trunk. No problems at all getting from the trunk to the front seat.

I'm saving routing the high level wires to the head unit for a different weekend.

I did try to get the speaker wire through the boot into the front door. There's room, but two 90 degree bends stopped me. Any suggestions are welcome.
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Service manual minor error

I found a minor error in the service manual, section IP - Instrument Panel. The glove box actually has eight screws that hold it in place, not six. The two "bonus screws" are inside the glove box, above the "compartment" part, each in a recess. Once those two screws are removed, in addition to the six the service manual speaks to, the glove box pulls right out.

The harness connector for the trunk disable switch is a pain to disconnect, so I gave up and just set the glove box to the side.

By the way: I think the cabin microfilter is behind the glove box. It was in my Infiniti G-35. As easy as the glove box is to remove, I'll not be spending $70 to have that filter replaced, I'll do it myself.
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Old 08-31-2017, 07:48 PM
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Rear deck beta

Now that I know how to get the back seat out, I lifted the rear deck finisher. Thank you YouTube. I'm sure I'm the only one that didn't know about the black webbing tabs in the trunk that released the back seats to fold down; one for the driver's side and one for the passenger's side. To get the rear deck out:
  • Remove the back seat, see previous posts by me or Tommie70.
  • Remove the rear seat kick panel finishers.
  • Remove the rear pillar finishers, the gray pieces behind the rear door windows. There is a screw behind the little circle that says "SRS System". Then use a trim tool to pop three clips in the front. Then pull the finisher forward to release two tabs that lock into the rear deck finisher.
  • Pop the rear deck finisher, there are five yellow clips/ retainers that hold it in. Start from the front and work back. Once all the clips are released, pull the finisher forward. There are three tabs that hold the finisher in place under the rear windshield. Pull it carefully forward so you can get to the third tail light.
  • Pop the third tail light out. Use a trim tool to pry the front edge up and release the clips, then unhook the tabs in the rear. You can then either disconnect the harness clip and set the tail light aside, or thread the tail light through the rear deck finisher and set it on top of the rear deck (what I did).

The flange for the rear deck speakers is different than the flange for the front door speakers, so I'll have to make two new adapters. I should have looked at Tommie70's post a little closer.

You can see from the photos how much room you have to pull wires once the trunk and back seat are stripped. I've also verified, at least for myself, that there's enough room behind the trunk side finishers for DSP units and amplifiers, in case you want everything hidden.

In the photos you can see the various wires routed into the trunk to their temporary hiding places. You'll notice I repulled the wires. More about that next.
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Routing power cable

I decided to reroute the power cable through the cable chase along the passenger side under the sill trim pieces so I could take advantage of the unused fire wall penetration behind the glove box. The glove box is simple to remove: eight screws and pull gently but firmly straight out. Be careful of the harness for the glove box light and the trunk release cancel switch.

The fire wall penetration is slightly above the glove box on the right side, behind the "wool" insulation. There's a grommet there, sized perfectly for 4ga wire. I doubt there's room in that hole for 1/0 cable plus a grommet to protect the cable.

I've posted the photos in this order:
  • From the trunk and through the cableway, under the sill trim pieces
  • Through the fire wall, factory grommet back in place
  • Left side of the engine compartment with the power cable coming into view. I zip-tied the power cable to an existing factory harness running along the fire wall hoping to keep my power cable out of harm's way.
  • Another photo of the power cable running across the engine compartment by the fire wall. I couldn't secure the cable to anything behind the engine block. I think I was able to zip tie it to the factory harness behind the air filter housing (but maybe not, I don't remember if I could get my hands in there).
  • Finally up to the battery next to the fuse box. I used zip ties to secure my power cable to a piece of tubing (brake fluid?) and the main factory harness under the fuse box.
I haven't connected to the battery yet. I don't want voltage on the cable until I have a place to connect the other end. No, my power cable is not hanging out from under the hood; it's wrapped around the fuse box and zip tied in place.
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High level output cable routing

Since I moved the power cable to the passenger side, I also moved the new cables for the high level output from the factory head unit to the driver's side. The route is the same as the speaker cable, so I didn't post any more photos. Eventually, under the dash and to the back side of the head unit for connection.

Next step: amp boards: one for amplifiers and one for DSP units. The DSP board will be simple, the amp board more difficult.
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Amp board

OK, that SUCKED! The amp board kick my... I figured on five hours, it took nine. Holy cow. I won't be doing that again.

I simply had to have my amp under the rear deck and I figured a basic amp board wouldn't be too complicated. The root cause of all the trouble is the number of protrusions on the underside of the rear deck. It isn't flat. There are the trunk light (which I'll eventually replace), the seat back release cables, the plastic studs that hold the rear deck finisher on, etc., etc. Complicating matters is the torsion spring for the trunk lid; it moves a lot as the trunk lid is opened and closed restricting where I could install bolts to hold the amp board up.

I had originally planned to suspend my amp board from long bolts, but changed plans and made some stand-offs so I could tighten the amp board against the underside of the rear deck.

I ended up using three existing holes in the rear deck and drilling two new holes. I wish I had figured out a way to have the mounting bolts for the amp board clear of the amp, that would have made things much easier to install. But two of the bolts are under the amp, so I had to install the board first, then the amp while lying on my back in the trunk.

My board is over-size because I'm trying to figure out a way to install a second amp to power woofers, so I am accommodating that at this time. I'd prefer for the woofers to be in the cabin rather than trunk-mounted, but we'll see.

The moral of the story is perhaps Tommie70 had it right, install amplifiers against the rear fender wells.

I couldn't have finished this part without help from my son, so, thanks to macdonsa :-)
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Old 09-16-2017, 02:20 PM
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Head unit beta

While I'm waiting for my DSP unit to be delivered, I took the head unit out and verified which wires need to be cut to tie in my new signal wires. Everything came out fairly easily.

The shift **** comes off easily. Follow the service manual recommendation and shift the car into neutral first to the shift lever slides in and out of the "leather" boot easily. The wire clip that holds the shift **** on comes off with a screw driver, then the **** slides off. There's clear grease all over the shift lever.

The top of the console snaps out next. Start at the end closest to the back seat and work forward. There are a half dozen or so wiring harness connectors to disconnect to get the console out of your way.

You don't have to pull the "leather" side panels, but I did. There's an error in the service manual: according to the service manual each piece is held in by one screw plus the clips, but there are two or three screws, depending on which side you're taking off.

Next is the center A/C vents. The trim piece is shaped like an X-Box controller. Use a trim tool to pry the "horns" out first, then the vents will pop out. Careful, there's a harness for the HAZARD light button.

Now you can get to the four screws (two top and two bottom) holding the head unit in. Once the screws are removed I put my hand behind the unit and pulled it out. I wrapped it in a towel to keep the sharp brackets from scratching the rest of trim while I disconnected the various harnesses.

There's a photo showing how much space there is behind the head unit. The biggest problem I'll have routing wires behind the dash is finding something suitable to secure them to.

I've posted a couple of photos of the harness that has the outputs from the head unit to the speakers. I'll tie in here for my new wires. The wiring is encased in a tar-coated felt tape and plastic loom. As you can see, I removed some of the felt tape to open the loom for access to the individual wires. I hope you can see in one of the photos that the wires for the speakers have black electrical tape on them. Your car might not, but mine did.
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Center console beta

Here are a couple of photos of the inside of the center console. There is enough room in there, I think for DSP, mini-amps, radar detectors and laser detectors. The first photo is looking forward toward the dash, the second backward toward the back seat.

In the front half I think there's room next to the shift lever assembly forward of where the cup holders are. That long strip with the "checker board" pattern is the air conditioning duct for the back seats. Between the gear shift lever assembly and the big well under the center arm rest is a pretty big cavern that could house electronics.
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Old 09-16-2017, 02:35 PM
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Factory Service Manual errors

I found some errors in the Factory Service Manual:

Section IP-20: The figure for the Center Console Finisher (LH) and (RH) show one screw and five clips holding each finisher in. There are two screws for the LH and three screws for the RH finisher.

Section AV-183: The diagram shows the A/C switch assembly located above the A/V control unit (the factory head unit), but in my 2016, the A/C switch unit is below the head unit. It also comes out with the head unit, no need to remove it separately.

Section AV-44: The "physical values" table does not include connections 13-18. If you skip forward to page AV-62 you can see the pin-out for connector M-160, which has the output connections for the head unit. 2&3 are the front left speakers, 4&5 are rear left speakers, 11&12 are front right speakers, 13&14 are right rear speakers.

I've rung out pairs 11/12 and 13/14 and confirmed those. I'll ring out 2/3 and 4/5 before cutting them when it's time to install speakers.
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Old 09-30-2017, 06:28 PM
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Trunk finishers

Oops, I was wrong when I posted there is plenty of room behind the trunk finishers. In the first photo, you'll see the left side trunk finisher installed. The left side, with the plastic fasteners, installs directly against the inside of the body panel. No room back there. The right side of the finisher covers up the fender well. There seems to be plenty of room back there, but much of the volume is above the fender well and all curvy, not suitable for installing rectangle-shaped audio gear.

The second photo shows where I installed my FIX-82. I had hoped to get both the FIX-82 and TWK-D8 on the same side, but the TWK-D8 will have to be on the right side of the trunk. The area to the right of the FIX-82 is what I was referring to above, curvy and not suitable for installing audio gear. I ended up using one of the structural bolts that holds that silver diagonal brace in place, as one of the fasteners to hold the FIX82 in place. Those bolts are M8-1.25.

You may be able to see my chassis ground beneath and to the left of the board the FIX-82 is mounted on. It's located in the triangular space between the right side of that diagonal brace and the FIX-82 board.

Finally, you can see the power and ground wiring in the third photo. Separate connections for two amps (another four channel amp is in the plan), I'll power the FIX-82 and TWK-D8 from the same power connection on the distribution block.
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Old 10-01-2017, 02:25 PM
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Tweeter mounts

I was able to make some incremental progress today: I soldered the pig tails to my mid/woofers to get them ready to install. I also mounted my tweeters in the cover over the side-view mirror mounts.

The first photo is the closest I have to a "before" picture. Sorry.

Then there's a photo of both finishers with the manufacturer's "basket" fitted. There may be room in these finishers for after market 1" tweeters (I've read the factory Bose system has 1" tweeters here), but I don't know. It's just about perfect for the 3/4" tweeters I have. You may be able to see in the photo that I lined the basket with felt, which holds the tweeter in the basket quite well. Three dabs of Gorilla Glue hold the baskets in the finishers. Be careful with that stuff, it "foamed out" from behind the basket and made a mess on the front of the finisher. I found it in time and cleaned it up with mineral spirits.

The last photo is the tweeter slid into the basket. I haven't soldered pigtails on the tweeters yet. I'll do that on install day.
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Old 10-06-2017, 12:05 PM
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Front speakers installed

This morning I installed the speakers (mid/woofer and tweeter) in the front doors. Placing the crossover proved harder than I thought and I ended up putting it in a place I had intended not to put it: inside the door. I had originally planned to put the crossover between the door and the finisher, but I couldn't find a spot that had room enough. Like the trunk finishers, the front door finishers proved tricky for me.

The first photo shows the driver's door with the finisher off. At the bottom right you can see the 5-1/4" mid/woofer I salvaged from my previous car. Left of that you can see the white zip-ties I used to secure the crossover inside the door. It does not interfere with the window rolling down in this spot. Above the mid/woofer you can see the wire from the tweeter snaking down to the hole in the plastic barrier to go inside the door to the crossover. For strain relief I used zip ties to secure the tweeter wiring to the factory harness it runs next to in the photo, and also to one of the fasteners inside the mirror finisher.

The second photo shows the passenger door reassembled.

Next step is to install the speakers on the rear deck and wire everything to the amp. I'll also mount the JL Audio TWK-D8 and connect it. Last step for now is to cut into the factory harness at the head unit to tie everything in.
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:24 PM
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Cautionary tale

If you decide to remove the factory head unit, BE CAREFUL! There are two identical connectors back there and if you don't put them back correctly, you'll short out a bunch of stuff, blow a bunch of fuses and probably have to take your car to the shop for everything to get reset to factory defaults.

Ask me how I know...
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:41 PM
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Cutting into the factory harness

As you know, I screwed up my courage and cut into the factory harness. Thank goodness for the factory service manual, with it, I knew exactly which wires to cut. I wish my soldering skills were better, but I did get all the new 16ga cables tied into the factory harness (20ga wires). Now all outputs from the factory head unit are routed through 16ga cables to the JL Audio FIX82.
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:02 PM
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Success: phase 1

My car is back from the shop with all the blown fuses replaced and all internal computers reset. On the way home, it sounded like only the rear deck speakers (6-1/2") were working, and full range at that. Still sounded better than the full basic factory system, if a little bass shy.

After dinner I confirmed that all the electronics were powered and ready. I set the "turn on mode" of my FIX-82 to "switched", then performed the calibration. That was successful. Then I connected my laptop to my TwK-D8 and downloaded the set-up I had made. It still sounded like only the rear deck speakers were working, full range. I couldn't hear any sound from the front speakers, but when I held my hand in front of the mid-woofers, I could feel them working. I'd connected the outputs of the TwK-D8 to the amp backward. After switching the RCAs everything was right with the world.

So now it's time to sit back and enjoy much improved sound and do some tweaking (input levels to the amp, equalizers, etc.).

Phase 2 more amp channels, Phase 3 replacing rear door speakers, Phase 4 either Dynamat or bigger rear deck speakers. But that has to wait for a few months.
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:49 PM
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Old 10-20-2017, 06:01 PM
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Installing JL Audio DRC-200

Just because, I decided to install the DRC-200 that came with my TwK-D8. The DRC-200 (Digital Remote Control) is a three-function remote: volume, preset selector, user-defined function. The volume function bypasses whatever speed-sensitive tone controls are in the factory head unit keeping the volume adjustment linear. The preset selector allows you to select any of the six preset configurations (signal routing, crossovers, equalization, signal boost/cut, delay) that can be stored in the TwK. The user-defined function can be sub level, fade/ balance or a couple of other functions. Details at JL Audio's website.

I ran the cable from the TwK-D8, behind the right rear fender well in the trunk, into the center console. Unfortunately, the "during" photos I took got deleted, so you'll have to settle for my description. I ran the cable behind the right side trunk finisher, then under the trunk floor mats to the back seat. Once out from under the trunk floor mats, I went under the rear seat back and under the rear seat cushion. I then fished the cable under carpet to the back of the center console. The rear of the console simply pops off, exposing plenty of room to route the cable. Then I fished the cable through the console, under the bin in the back of the console.

Now you can see in the photos I do have where I installed my DRC-200: behind the cup holder and in front of the console bin. Actually, the first photo I posted shows where I wanted to mount the DRC-200 at first, next to the trunk release button, with the indicator light in the silvery tri piece next to the trip odometer reset button just above. However, I realized what that would mean for a left-handed driver like me: lots of time taking my hand off the wheel to adjust volume.

The other pictures posted show where I did mount the control and LED. I really wanted it 4" forward (that's where my hand naturally lays), but that's where the cup holder is, so there you go.

I don't know why, but these photos insist on posting upside down. Perhaps a moderator can help.
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:40 AM
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Good stuff, thanks for taking the time to do this. I did something similar to this when I first got my SR, adding a sub to the trunk by tapping in to the rear speakers (after the amp).
What head unit are you thinking to use to replace the factory one? I'm looking at https://phoenixandroidradios.com/col...nt=37236615629 but am trying to find out how it affects the information on the HUD between the tachometer and speedometer, such as input source, navigation, current song, etc before pulling the trigger. The backup camera, steering wheel controls and such are supposedly plug and play, and they claim it works with the BOSE system, so I'm not sure how it react to the difference in Ohms on a "regular" system.
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Old 11-05-2017, 03:20 PM
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corpdecker,

You're welcome. I'm glad the information is useful.

I wasn't considering replacing the factory head unit, although that Phoenix Android unit looks cool. I would make use of almost none of the functionality that Phoenix offers, I just don't do computer stuff in the car. I keep my center console display turned off.

Thanks for posting that link to Phoenix, though. Maintaining the look of the center console, keeping factory controls and enabling Android apps are all good things.

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Old 10-21-2018, 06:12 PM
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Update: 2nd amp installed

It's finally time for an update. I got a second amp for Christmas... last year. I started installing it today. I had hoped to complete the wiring, but all I finished was the mounting. So I guess wiring next week. My new amp gives me eight channels of amplification: front tweeters, front mid-bass, rear door, rear deck. That will allow me to remove the passive cross-over from the front component speakers. I can also apply individual cross-overs and equalizer curves to each driver pair.

Old amp on the left, new amp on the right.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:55 PM
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I found a minor error in the service manual, section IP - Instrument Panel. The glove box actually has eight screws that hold it in place, not six. The two "bonus screws" are inside the glove box, above the "compartment" part, each in a recess. Once those two screws are removed, in addition to the six the service manual speaks to, the glove box pulls right out.

The harness connector for the trunk disable switch is a pain to disconnect, so I gave up and just set the glove box to the side.

By the way: I think the cabin microfilter is behind the glove box. It was in my Infiniti G-35. As easy as the glove box is to remove, I'll not be spending $70 to have that filter replaced, I'll do it myself.
the cabin filter is to the left of the glove box. U literally have to be upside down in the floorboard to see what ur doing to replace it, but 5min and ur done.
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