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Sure it was on a Dynojet? Also, I think it's very possible, even more-so with cams.
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Old 08-04-2010, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by NmexMAX
Sure it was on a Dynojet? Also, I think it's very possible, even more-so with cams.
yea....he was banned from the org. i would ask him to post but he cant...lol
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Originally Posted by datdude20
a buddy of mine put down 240 last week in his de-K.....no cams.......
See when u hear stuff like this is makes u wonder if the 3.5s are even worth it.

anyway it seems the DEKs are consistently making more power than the DE regardless of what mods they have
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Originally Posted by Crusher103
See when u hear stuff like this is makes u wonder if the 3.5s are even worth it.
:sigh: Do the same mods to a dek that you do to a 3.5 and see whos faster...
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even without a FULL 3.5 swap...the 3.5 will be faster.

I still think the 3.0 has some uncharted territory though
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Old 08-04-2010, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ajcool2
:sigh: Do the same mods to a dek that you do to a 3.5 and see whos faster...
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even without a FULL 3.5 swap...the 3.5 will be faster.

I still think the 3.0 has some uncharted territory though
exactly. The dek can very well produce respectable power. But mod for mod/dollar for dollar, the 3.5 is just better. There's no denying that. A 3.5 swap is well worth it for sure, but a dek that can outrun a modded 3.5 is just something that puts a smile on my face.
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Old 08-04-2010, 03:41 PM
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De-k's are underated and 3.5 swaps are gettin overated...jus my .02
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we know the 3.5 is better, its just proven fact.
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Old 08-04-2010, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Crusher103
we know the 3.5 is better, its just proven fact.
U might be right.but everybody so quick to give up on the de-k and go right to a 3.5.

People mustve forgot what dandymax did with his de-k
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Old 08-04-2010, 03:58 PM
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what i was saying is most people with 3.5 swap will only get about 250-260whp even after a tune and thats being nice, but if a DE-K is getting into the mid 240s with slightly more aggressive cams then the average 3.5......
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Old 08-04-2010, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Crusher103
what i was saying is most people with 3.5 swap will only get about 250-260whp even after a tune and thats being nice, but if a DE-K is getting into the mid 240s with slightly more aggressive cams then the average 3.5......
Can u name 5 people who have done the 3.5 swap and put down those numbers?..not including people who have done full 3.5 swaps. Just the people who run 3.5's with 3.0 timing and computer.

I don't recall see to many people achive those numbers.

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Old 08-05-2010, 04:56 AM
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The thing is most people that do 3.5s just swap and that's it, they don't dedicate too much to the tuning, or run out of money for a good Ems, if I was n/a, id kick butt.. The key to making power with our motors is having an awesome tune.
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Originally Posted by streetzlegend
The thing is most people that do 3.5s just swap and that's it, they don't dedicate too much to the tuning, or run out of money for a good Ems, if I was n/a, id kick butt.. The key to making power with our motors is having an awesome tune.
If I had the money to dump into a 4th gen so would I..lol...but I'm good with my 5.5gen
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Old 08-05-2010, 05:33 AM
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Oh, so sorry to hear that. 5.5 eek
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If I had the money to dump into a 4th gen so would I..lol...but I'm good with my 5.5gen
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there is no replacement for displacement.
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Old 08-05-2010, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by datdude20
De-k's are underated and 3.5 swaps are gettin overated...jus my .02
Hmmm .... I think I approve this.
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Originally Posted by streetzlegend
The thing is most people that do 3.5s just swap and that's it, they don't dedicate too much to the tuning, or run out of money for a good Ems, if I was n/a, id kick butt.. The key to making power with our motors is having an awesome tune.
Yup.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by datdude20
De-k's are underated and 3.5 swaps are gettin overated...jus my .02
Yeah i guess this is true. Whenever I hear people talking about going all out with a DEK my first thought is why not do all that to a 3.5. Not bashing the DEK at all. I love all VQ's lol.

EDIT: I'm talking more about swaps than stock motors BTW.

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Old 08-05-2010, 08:40 AM
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Wheres Moncef?
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Moncef's has outrun a couple 3.5s with his dek hes running I/H/E e-manage ultimate and aem uego for tuning, I don't remember what mods the 3.5s had I can pm him to chime in if you guys want
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Originally Posted by 2000_MAXIMA_KING
Moncef's has outrun a couple 3.5s with his dek hes running I/H/E e-manage ultimate and aem uego for tuning, I don't remember what mods the 3.5s had I can pm him to chime in if you guys want
Yeah he just needs to hit the dyno.
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Old 08-05-2010, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ajcool2
Yeah he just needs to hit the dyno.
True, I'm pretty sure he'll put down some awesome numbers last time I spoke to him he said he wasn't able to get it dyno'd because some stuff came up.
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Old 08-05-2010, 09:31 AM
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Well, that stuff better not come up any more. Damn Moncef....
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Originally Posted by streetzlegend
Oh, so sorry to hear that. 5.5 eek
Lmao...come on man...dats messed up.....
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Originally Posted by Crusher103
See when u hear stuff like this is makes u wonder if the 3.5s are even worth it.

anyway it seems the DEKs are consistently making more power than the DE regardless of what mods they have
No.

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yea....he was banned from the org. i would ask him to post but he cant...lol
Hmm... do you know what mods he has?

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there is no replacement for displacement.
Co-sign.

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Moncef's has outrun a couple 3.5s with his dek hes running I/H/E e-manage ultimate and aem uego for tuning, I don't remember what mods the 3.5s had I can pm him to chime in if you guys want
G35 sedan had intake and a cat-back and he got the business.

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Yeah he just needs to hit the dyno.
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Well, that stuff better not come up any more. Damn Moncef....
AYYY...

DEK has potential, I'm trying to (help) find it.
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Another thing some are not mentioning, having the power dosnt make the car faster. You can put a crappy driver in a 350z, and an uber driver in a 4th gen(3.0) with good tune and 00vi, the 4g might surprise the Z
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Originally Posted by streetzlegend
Another thing some are not mentioning, having the power dosnt make the car faster. You can put a crappy driver in a 350z, and an uber driver in a 4th gen(3.0) with good tune and 00vi, the 4g might surprise the Z
That's always how it goes, I'm not an uber driver though. And I'm not saying my car has a certain amount of WHP just because I beat x car on y day. I'll just have to dyno it and see.
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Originally Posted by datdude20
Can u name 5 people who have done the 3.5 swap and put down those numbers?..not including people who have done full 3.5 swaps. Just the people who run 3.5's with 3.0 timing and computer.

I don't recall see to many people achive those numbers.

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See what i mean now. those numbers are just being "nice" so if 3.0s are putting out almost as much power as 3.5s.....
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Originally Posted by Crusher103
See what i mean now. those numbers are just being "nice" so if 3.0s are putting out almost as much power as 3.5s.....
I think it really depends on your goals with the car. Me and my bro have this convo almost everyday. He wants to run 13.9 and I always tell him its easier to get that with the 3.5 but he's afraid of swapping the timing components but yet he mentions installing cams in his 3.0 .
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Originally Posted by ajcool2
I think it really depends on your goals with the car. Me and my bro have this convo almost everyday. He wants to run 13.9 and I always tell him its easier to get that with the 3.5 but he's afraid of swapping the timing components but yet he mentions installing cams in his 3.0 .
well installing cams is pretty much the whole 3.5 swap.
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Originally Posted by Crusher103
well installing cams is pretty much the whole 3.5 swap.
So dman true, swapping engines takes less time than doing stupid cams lol
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Originally Posted by streetzlegend
So dman true, swapping engines takes less time than doing stupid cams lol
So your telling me swapping a whole engine is a lighter and quicker job then just replacing cams
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Originally Posted by 2000_MAXIMA_KING
So your telling me swapping a whole engine is a lighter and quicker job then just replacing cams
Yes!

Swapping engines - take off, ps, alty, compressor, mounts, elec harness, ypipe, xmember, seperate from tranny. pretty much

Changing cams - taking off ps, alty, compressor, mount, elec harness, ypipe, xmember, take out lower bolts from the tranny, lower oil pan, upper pan, crank pulley, outer timing cover, timing chains and sprockets, inner timing cover, take off valve covers, cams. Spend an hour alone putting silicone everywhere, Then redo it all again to put back
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Originally Posted by streetzlegend
Yes!

Swapping engines - take off, ps, alty, compressor, mounts, elec harness, ypipe, xmember, seperate from tranny. pretty much

Changing cams - taking off ps, alty, compressor, mount, elec harness, ypipe, xmember, take out lower bolts from the tranny, lower oil pan, upper pan, crank pulley, outer timing cover, timing chains and sprockets, inner timing cover, take off valve covers, cams. Spend an hour alone putting silicone everywhere, Then redo it all again to put back
Damn screw cams then might as well do the swap only problem is with swap you lose some of your mods that you had before.
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Originally Posted by 2000_MAXIMA_KING
Damn screw cams then might as well do the swap only problem is with swap you lose some of your mods that you had before.
Exactly!

And what mods would you lose?
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Originally Posted by ajcool2
Exactly!

And what mods would you lose?
Well just intake I guess since headers and everything else after is the same.
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So I might as well just get the 3.5 headers even though it'll make my egr useless.
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Originally Posted by 2000_MAXIMA_KING
So I might as well just get the 3.5 headers even though it'll make my egr useless.
delete the damn EGR.
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Originally Posted by Crusher103
delete the damn EGR.
It won't effect the car performance wise?
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Originally Posted by 2000_MAXIMA_KING
It won't effect the car performance wise?
I havent had EGR in like 4 years lol. No it wont affect it.
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