Kevlo911

iTrader: (36)

I sold this guy LED tails last year. They did not work, so I refunded his money.
I told him to tap into his stock tail light harnesses but he cut up his stock connectors. I suppose he lost the stock bulb sockets and he cannot solder them back to the harness. He is trying to sell my taillights that I should be recieving, but he wants me to pay for the shipping back and for me to pay for the cost of tail light harnesses. I am lost at what to do now.
Our aim convo
KevLo 911: yo dude why are you trying to sell my tails
KevLo 911: your suppose to send those back to me
Wax My Max: you never sent me money or anything to ship them back
Wax My Max: or money for connectors
KevLo 911: i refunded you 200 dollars
KevLo 911: wtf are you talking about
KevLo 911: and i sent shipping money
Wax My Max: you refunded me 200 dollars, which is what i paid you
KevLo 911: yes so why would you get to keep tails?
Wax My Max: and now, i would need to spend more to replace the connectors and to ship them back
Wax My Max: so i would be losing money overall just to return my car to stock
KevLo 911: i nvr made to solder connectors and cut off stock
KevLo 911: made you*
Wax My Max: no, but you told me to
KevLo 911: no i told you to tap
Wax My Max: yes, but then i said i wanted them directly connected and you told me how to
KevLo 911: ya because you asked
KevLo 911: why the fck would i refund money and not get my product back
Wax My Max: then come pick them up
Wax My Max: im not paying shipping out of my pocket
KevLo 911: i am pretty sure i sent you shipping moneyu
Wax My Max: check again
KevLo 911: i am gld up
KevLo 911: hld up
Wax My Max: you should have sent me 3 transactions
KevLo 911: alright i sent 10 for the first time you shipped back
Wax My Max: right
KevLo 911: i will send another 10 right now to get them back
Wax My Max: and what about the connectors?
KevLo 911: i can't do anything about that
Wax My Max: i had to pay 40 for them from an org member
KevLo 911: you could have soldered the connectors to the bulb sockets but apparently you lost them
KevLo 911: so that is not my fault
Wax My Max: guess i cant help ya then
KevLo 911: wtf
KevLo 911: give me my fcking money then
Wax My Max: so i can lose 200 bucks? no thanks
KevLo 911: apparently i just lost a set of tails
Wax My Max: yes, you did
Wax My Max: but theres nothing i can do about it
KevLo 911: why isent you money expecting tails, why would i refund you if I was not gonna get my tails backl
Wax My Max: no, you sent me money because you sent me a non working product
KevLo 911: do they let you keep thing you buy from stores that are broken
KevLo 911: NO
Wax My Max: yes, if they dont pick it up its yours
KevLo 911: wtf
KevLo 911: where tehy hell did you hear this
Wax My Max: its actually the law
KevLo 911: is it
KevLo 911: show me
Wax My Max: sure let me look
KevLo 911: alrighty
Wax My Max: cant find it off hand, but if you look im sure you will find it
KevLo 911: look where
KevLo 911: i want you to show me
Wax My Max: the company if at fault, is responsible for claiming their product not the customer
Wax My Max: this is why generally online companies ask for the product back before they issue you a refund
Wax My Max: family is lawyers, i know this stuff
KevLo 911: ok...
Wax My Max: but seriously, look on google for business law, im sure you'll find it
KevLo 911: so because your family has lawyers in it your gonna scew me over?
Wax My Max: no, not at all
Wax My Max: but thats how the law goes
KevLo 911: i can give you money to shipp them back
KevLo 911: nothing more
Wax My Max: and thats why i cant help you
Wax My Max: if you sent me connectors and shipping money, they would be in your hands right now
KevLo 911: i cut my stock connectors off and sent them to you
Wax My Max: but that didnt help me because mine were already cut and to short to solder
KevLo 911: that is bull **** i never made you cut up your stock connectors

Jeff92se

iTrader: (82)

Um that is BS. NO company and I mean NO COMPANY would take responsibility for the damage that caused because of a faulty installation. It's in many, many product warranties. ie... we aren't responsible for damage other than for the product itself.

njmodi

iTrader: (4)

Kevlo - that is f'ed up. Where is this guy located... he's seriously taking you for a ride.

Sqard

iTrader: (12)

Actually, why don't you post the whole story?

The damage was not done by faulty installation, in fact they never worked in the first place and Kevlo should admit that, which is why I sent them back in the first place.

Kevlo told me when I bought them that they were plug and play into my old taillight harness. This, to me does not mean splicing wires to make things work. Not saying it was a hard install, but just not what he told me. So once he sent the taillights back, he ASSURED me that they were working and he tested them himself. So I asked him when I got them back, to make them plug and play, could I wire them directly to the harnesses, so i could just plug them in. He told me that would work, and gave me a diagram on how to. Once again, the install went fine, but once again, one of the lights was out because the internal wiring was loose which was something that I never touched. The only reason I cut the wires is because Kevlo told me he double checked them, every wire was secure, and they would definately work. This was not the case when they came to me. Maybe it was a shipping problem? Not my fault that he didn't insure the package though.

Kevlo refunded me the money that I paid for the taillights which was right of him, because they certainly were faulty and I wasn't about to go back and forth shipping packages with him until they finally worked.

The reason that I am not sending the taillights back is because I am not taking a loss on something that is not my fault. If he wanted to come fix my harnesses himself and pick them up in person, he could have the taillights back. The fact is, he would not give me a FULL refund(including having someone pick up the taillights and the cost of new harnesses). If you are willing to reimburse me for the cost of shipping and the cost of new harnesses, you can still have the taillights back.

Kevlo911

iTrader: (36)

How about me sending you a video and pics of the tails showing that they worked?
Show me where I said they were plug and play and where I said anything about faulty installation.

I did insure the package, UPS wanted to inspec the tails and you said you didn;t have the time to take out tails and let them do that.

Jeff92se

iTrader: (82)

You know that is BS to me. It is very,very rare that any maker includes the price of shipping the items back. But Kev even offered to include shipping back. Now you want to be refunded for the harness?? You lost them correct? Just resolder them back. If the issue was a burnt out light, why did you cut/solder your wires when you could have easily just put 12v to the lights to test?? It was YOUR choice to cut up your wiring harness. And I quote:

KevLo 911: i nvr made to solder connectors and cut off stock
KevLo 911: made you*
Wax My Max: no, but you told me to
KevLo 911: no i told you to tap
Wax My Max: yes, but then i said i wanted them directly connected and you told me how to
KevLo 911: ya because you asked

And did you SPECIFY all of these conditions BEFORE he sent the $ back? Or did you come up with this AFTER you received the $?? If you want to apply law to this, the common term is BLACKMAIL.

The ONLY reason you offer the pickup is you know he's WAY TO FAR to reasonably drive and go get them.

If you don't come to a reasonable solution, I'll WILL seriously consider a permanant banning.

Jeff92se

iTrader: (82)

I think because this was handled though shipping, you might have a case for mail fraud. Especially when you have shown good faith and refunded the $. This with the ups inspection decline, you might want to contact UPS customer service and ask them about starting the proceedings on a fraud invesigation.

Normal police don't care about small things but I know usps gets riled up about mail fraud. Hopefully ups does also.

Kevlo911

iTrader: (36)

Wow you are a good liar. You told me that the tails didn;t work and that the inners leaked. Apparently only the drivers side is kinda bad


Now I see why you didn;t want UPS to inspect them, because they work. Only the drivers side seems bad.

THT

iTrader: (8)

Wow...that's low.

Sqard

iTrader: (12)

Actually, i told you the brake light was out, did I not? Thats not the brake light, thats the headlights on. I was never contacted about anything about insurance, Kevlo did not even mention it to me. I would be more than happy to show them whats wrong with it. Also, the fact that I was at college in a different state may have something to do with me not having the time. Hey, if you can prove that I declined or was even told about a UPS inspection, by all means proceed with whatever you want because thats all BS to me. I would actually like to see a receipt that shows you even bought insurance.

Kevlo911

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Wax My Max: I love how you took it to the boards, considering its everyones business
KevLo 911: i love how you want to screw me over
Wax My Max: you know damn well you never called ups about insurance
KevLo 911: umm i did
KevLo 911: i was gonna post the email but i deleted it
Wax My Max: and they said they contacted me?
KevLo 911: YES
Wax My Max: at what address or number?
KevLo 911: i do not have the email from ups any more so i cannot prove it
Wax My Max: and when did they get in touch with me
Wax My Max: because I was at school from august to about 2 weeks ago
Wax My Max: and i know they didn't have my cell phone number
KevLo 911: alright
Wax My Max: i mean, seriously im not trying to **** you even though you think of it that way
Wax My Max: ive never had a bad transaction on maxima.org
Wax My Max: its just impossible that they would have contacted me
Wax My Max: considering i wasnt here for about 8 months
KevLo 911: how can i think of it any other way, you won;t send me back the tails. I NEVER told you to mess up your harnesses so that you could never go to stock
KevLo 911: you did that on your own
KevLo 911: and you except me to pay for that
Wax My Max: with the assumption that it would work because you told me they did
Wax My Max: i wouldnt mind having cut harnesses right now if they worked
KevLo 911: did i not send pics? or the video?
KevLo 911: i proved to you that they worked
Wax My Max: yes, you did, and i told you i have good faith that they did work when you sent them
Wax My Max: they didnt work when they came to my house
KevLo 911: ya but i still don;t get why you want me to pay for hte harnesses that you can;t fix
Wax My Max: which leaves one option, they broke in the mail
Wax My Max: correct?
KevLo 911: correct
Wax My Max: and i was never contacted about insurance
KevLo 911: i told you all about hte ups insurance thing
KevLo 911: so don;'t even lie about that
Wax My Max: like i said, i was never contacted
KevLo 911: i should have saved the convo
Wax My Max: call UPS, see how and when they contacted me
KevLo 911: i have no tracking number or anything
KevLo 911: nothing to do anything with
KevLo 911: i can;t prove it
Wax My Max: well, im sorry then
KevLo 911: no fck that
KevLo 911: you fcked up the harnesses
KevLo 911: not me
Wax My Max: i cant help the fact that you lost the tracking
KevLo 911: i fcked up the tails and gave you a refund
Wax My Max: think of it this way
KevLo 911: i never got my tails back because you fcked up your hanresses
Wax My Max: you buy a car, bring it in for maintenance
Wax My Max: they give you a free loaner
Wax My Max: because it was their fault the car was messed up
Wax My Max: because you had to rely on the fact that the car was going to work, you didnt buy it with the intention of not working
KevLo 911: and you can return the car to get it fixed or get your money back
KevLo 911: you don;t keep the money and hte car
Wax My Max: sure you do
Wax My Max: they fix it for free, you get the loaner car
KevLo 911: how the hell do you buy a car and return it to kee
KevLo 911: temp
KevLo 911: car
KevLo 911: not forever
Wax My Max: yes, temp, they dont charge you for the temp car
KevLo 911: but this is not a fcking car shop
Wax My Max: same as i would expect not to be charged for the harnesses, something i needed for my car to work
Wax My Max: its principle
KevLo 911: so i don;'t wanna hear a bad analogy
KevLo 911: wtf you keep making up this BS
Wax My Max: i couldnt drive around with a brake light out
KevLo 911: the story is, you messed up harnesses and want to charge me for it
KevLo 911: you did
KevLo 911: for 8 months
Wax My Max: were you expecting to pay for my tickets too?
KevLo 911: so i don;t wanna hear that either
Wax My Max: no, i had to buy stock taillights
KevLo 911: you could have taken off tails and soldered them directly
Wax My Max: and harnesses
KevLo 911: not my fault
KevLo 911: all yours
Wax My Max: yes, i could have
Wax My Max: i could have also duct taped my body kit on
KevLo 911: so you have no right to tell me to pay you for the harnesses
Wax My Max: but in order to do it right, you need to buy new harnesses
KevLo 911: wrong
Wax My Max: and my car was "right" before i had the taillights
KevLo 911: you could have bought a 4 wire connector from radio shack and used that
KevLo 911: it was your choice not to
Wax My Max: because i wanted it in stock form
Wax My Max: not worrying about whether connections will hold down the road
KevLo 911: that is not my fault you messed up the stock harnesses
KevLo 911: it is your fault
KevLo 911: not mine
KevLo 911: not one bit
Wax My Max: im planning on selling the car, i dont want buyers asking why all the electrical stuff is chopped up
KevLo 911: that is not my problem what you plan to do
KevLo 911: my problem is you won;t give me my tails
Wax My Max: its a lose-lose situation, you realize that right?
KevLo 911: you lose 40 I lose 200
KevLo 911: big difference
Wax My Max: yeah it is, not denying you that
KevLo 911: umm its not my fault you lose 40
KevLo 911: it is youras
Wax My Max: but as the buyer of a faulty item, i shouldnt lose money at all
KevLo 911: yours
KevLo 911: you BROKE YOUR HARNESSES
KevLo 911: NOT ME
KevLo 911: NOT MY FAULT
KevLo 911: how hard is that to understand
KevLo 911: the way i told you to install, you could have went back to stock in under 20 min
KevLo 911: you chose not to
Wax My Max: because i was under the assumption the product worked
KevLo 911: that changes nothing
KevLo 911: i still told you to install one way
KevLo 911: you did it a different way
Wax My Max: and you told me i could do it the other way also and you told me it would work
KevLo 911: i sent 12 dollars worth of taps for a reason
Wax My Max: maybe you should have spent it on packing materials
KevLo 911: ok
Wax My Max: look, you can parade your friends around that thread all you want. Its not going to change the fact that you sent me a broken product and expect me tot ake a loss because of it. You also have no proof of insurance, and no proof that anyone had contacted me. I wish you did really, because I want to help you, but not at a 40 dollar expense to me.
KevLo 911: that still does not change the fact you did not follow my instructions to install, you messed up your harnesses--apparently you messed them up so back that you could not fix
Wax My Max: Also, you are taking almost just as much of a loss as me
KevLo 911: no way in hell
Wax My Max: How do you figure?
KevLo 911: you are trying to sell those tails for 130
KevLo 911: 130 - 40
KevLo 911: = 90
KevLo 911: profit
KevLo 911: fcking tard
KevLo 911: me = 200 loss
Wax My Max: Sure, i can do whatever i want with them
Wax My Max: 200, how?
Wax My Max: I sent you 200 in the first place, now you refunded me 200
KevLo 911: I SENT BACK 200 to you
KevLo 911: ya
Wax My Max: 200-200=0
KevLo 911: and i don;t have the product
Wax My Max: so you lost a set of taillights, whats that about 30 dollars+cost of a couple LEDs and labor?
KevLo 911: find me a fcking set of tails for 30
KevLo 911: i paid 100
KevLo 911: labor
KevLo 911: try fck 16 hours
KevLo 911: you are a fcking *****
Wax My Max: name calling wont get you anywhere
KevLo 911: you said you want me to pick up the tails?
KevLo 911: i will have someone at your door ready to pick them up
Wax My Max: Sure, bring me some harnesses and i wont charge you for shipping
Wax My Max: Ok cool
Wax My Max: Tell me when
KevLo 911: i will soon, i have to leave for maxus soon
KevLo 911: so it will be next week
Wax My Max: Well, have fun
KevLo 911: but either my cuz or my friend will come and pick them up
KevLo 911: from you
Wax My Max: Ok make sure he brings harnesses or reimburses me for them
KevLo 911: no
KevLo 911: why
KevLo 911: you broke those
KevLo 911: not me
Wax My Max: That was part of the deal
KevLo 911: where
KevLo 911: no where did i say i would do that
Wax My Max: you didnt, thats the point...if you did you would have had them by now
KevLo 911: I DID NOT BREAK YOUR HARNESSES, YOU DID. WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR THEM ?!?!
Wax My Max: I gave you an analogy before
KevLo 911: which sucked
Wax My Max: You did not directly break them, but indirectly did
KevLo 911: fck no
KevLo 911: you did
KevLo 911: i told you how to install
KevLo 911: and you didnt
KevLo 911: that is your fault
Wax My Max: I don't know what to tell you
KevLo 911: KevLo 911: this will also go on the org saying that i am right, you make no sence in your demands





I am lost at what to do, he still thinks I should pay for the harnesses.

DR-Max

iTrader: (3)

Wow.....too much drama! These kinds of things are making me more and more leery about buying things from out-of-state orgers. I have been screwed already by qnpark8282. Although its only $20, still its the principle of the matter that many take matters into their own hands and see things from a one-sided point of view. Who gives a f@ck about the other guy...right?

I think that Sqard's justification for not sending the tails back to Kevlo is weak. It's like saying that you are not gonna take the stereo back to Circuit City but you want your refund because you had to buy a wiring kit to install it but your installation didn't work for some reason or another.

Kevlo, I hope you send someone to beat the sheeet out of this guy if he won't give back your tails. I read the entire convo and u did not promise that you will bring him the harness in exchange to picking up the tails. In the end, he realizes that you will be sending someone to pick up the tails so he decided to be a ***** and ask for a replacement harness since he'll be assed-out of additional $200 for not being able to sell your tails. Everyone can smell this scam coming!

nexgenmax

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Hm... interesting. Sorry to hear that you got ***ked up. Seems we have to put label on hot coffee when it's still hot. then put a label on the light that says "carefull, it's bright. it can distort your vison... bla bla bla bla. There's always a risk on self installation.

If you get the harness for him, he'll say that it'll cost this much to install it. If the harness arrive, he'll say it's faulty. 1001 reasons can be made.

Next time don't refund the money till you get your taillights. Same like any other company, they would not refund the money untill the item is shipped back to you. It says on the org you buy with your own risk. But again, we'll never know who are we going to come across. Use credit card for any type of payment, it's easier to cancel or dispute.

ibag8rfan

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Sqard, are you stupid?

Take your analogy any use it in the right context.

Your car messes up so you take it in so the dealer can fix it for free, in the meantime you get a loaner car. According to what you have done to Kevlo you get to keep your car you bought, and at the same time sell the loaner car? Because he completely refunded you, just like the dealer would on your broken car. You need to ship him his tail lights back or you're going to be out a lot more than $40.

nismos14

iTrader: (56)

Basically sqard should send him back $160. That covers his harnesses, and that covers kevlo's losses. That seems to be the only alternative. Kevlo did you make the $200 transfer through a credit card? Maybe you could file fraud or something?

Shadow

iTrader: (15)

If he shipped UPS, then they were automatically insured for at least $100.

DR-Max

iTrader: (3)

I just shipped a clutch cover back to Pinnacle Nissan last week and UPS ground comes with $100 insurance. Additional insurance costs extra.

tedo007

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if his this much dumb. i wonder how dumb his family is. **** you lil bi***

Dohcser

All, I live relatively close to Squard. I happened to be at his house one day helping him out on something else. He did express to me and showed me (on the outside) the issue he was having, so that part of it was legit. As far as who caused, don't know.

Squard I think if you take a step back and look at the whole picture Kevlo tried his best to compensate your issue and even wants to give you the money for the shipping. I don't think it is fair that you are asking him for money for a harness that is required to fix the issue. He gave you a way to "tap" the taillights, you asked him how to permanently wire it to your car.

If he did claim it was plug and play and when it arrived you saw it was not you should have brought it to his attention and possibly send them back.

I think you are "cutting your nose off to spite your face". You are a business man on the org and you are creating a negative impact on your ethics. Cut your $40 loss for the harness as he agreed to pay you your shipping back and move on.

sterlingmaxima

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well said ^^^^^^

Jeff92se

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meccanoble

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interesting, i really hope this gets resolved, i'm good friends with both sides. Neither of them normally appear to be an a-hole but i do agree that kevlo should get his tails back. He's not responsible for what u do to your harnesses. At worst case, he can show good will and pay half of the 40 but i dont think he should be entitled to do the entire....just my opinion

Jeff92se

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Why should Kevlo have to pay anything more? He's already refunded the $ plus gave him $ for shipping. That is way above what most would do.

Nealoc187

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This is BS. Sqard you are totally in the wrong here. You took it upon yourself to mangle your stock harnesses. You assumed the risk. Kevlo didn't make you do that. He took care of his part and refunded you in full for the defective product. Any further cost incurred is at your expense because YOU did it to your car. You are in the wrong 100%, and what you have done constitutes stealing. You took they money back and you kept the taillights. You have the product and your money. At this point in time you are a thief, plain and simple. A thief and a shady businessperson who is in the process of totally destroying a good reputation on the .org. Bad form man, bad form. I used to think highly of your contributions to the .org. It probably doesn't matter to you, since you have a typical, flippant, "oh well, fck you" attitude, but that's the way it is.

Pearl96Max

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Tails should go back, harnesses NOT replaced. Installer problem, not a defect with the product.

Plain and simple.

I would be more than happy to drive up and pick up these tails for you Kevlo.

nismos14

iTrader: (56)

I'd make the trip with ya Don, if I still lived in nj lol

MaximaHunty

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I was just on the phone with my uncle who works for an internet fraud agency and I actually brought this whole thing up and he looked at this thread while I was on the phone with him and he said that you for sure have a case Kevlo911 and if you want I can give you his number to reach him first thing Monday morning. Their office is based in Atlanta, Georgia, but they cover of course everywhere the internet covers. He said that you have many options of going about this. (i.e. suing, getting your lights back without having to pay any further charges as long as you have proof of the refund and shipping amount, and a few other options, all in your favor) He also said that this Sqard guy could be facing fines and/or jail time for internet fraud and a couple other charges that he mentioned but I can't remember off the top of my head.

So anyways, PM if you want anymore information, my uncle said he will gladly help you for free.

Sqard

iTrader: (12)

Kevlo, send me an IM. I have a reasonable solution.

Here was my idea, I think it works out better for both of us rather than you just paying for shipping:

You pay the cost for me to ship out these taillights insured with a tracking number so I have proof that you received them.
You pay 1/2 of the cost of the harnesses, but I will also include the harnesses already attatched to the taillight, instead of sending them back with bare wires like you sent them to me. If you plan on fixing these and reselling them, I think being totally plug and play is worth more than 20 dollars to the customer. So, you are not just paying 1/2 for my loss of harness, you are buying a harness to resell for 1/2 the price.


I know people are saying you shouldn't have to pay for the harnesses, but if you think about it, it benefits both of us. I am not stuck with an extra cut harness, and you are getting a great price on a harness that you will need if you plan on selling these as plug and play.

ibag8rfan

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Hey dip shit, He should not have to give you another dime. Send him the tail lights back.

Pearl96Max

iTrader: (151)

Its not a negotiation situation. Money refunded...taillights go back. It doesnt get a simpler.

Sqard

iTrader: (12)

Name calling, very mature of you. Who are you by the way? Are you speaking on behalf of Kevlo? I think he's probably old enough to make his own decisions.

DR-Max

iTrader: (3)

This guy is taking business in a whole darker level. Takes note not to ever buy anything from this guy.

Think about this Sqard, if you sell an item to someone and shipped it to him. Then it gets there and for some unknown reason the buyer makes up a story and wants to return the item and get his refund. Realizing that you've just lost a sale, would you pay for his shipping? Moreso, would you pay for his expense when he mangled up the very item he is returning to you? How will that deal benefit him and you? Again, you call it fair but your resolution is one-sided. Send the tails back to Kevlo and stop digging yourself deeper into the reputational poop that you are steadily sinking in.

BTW, we are all speaking for Kevlo because obviously, you are not conducting fair business here. Everyone sees that, even your friend Dohcser. Why can't you?

Sqard

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Well, DR-Max, since you also care to speak on bahalf of Kevlo, i'll explain to you also. It's not really an issue of him giving money to ship the tails back. There is no way that you can reasonably argue that he does not owe me shipping back, and we have established that. He sold me a broken product that was not broken by me, and he admitted that. It was not a case of "I didn't like it so I want a refund". The product was broken, plain and simple, and when a product is defective, it is the responsibility of the seller to give compensation for the return of the product. Now, seeing that Kevlo lives in Florida, I doubt he is going to walk to my house and pick the product up. This leaves him a few options, he could have someone pick them up(UPS or a local friend) or he could give me money to ship them. Simple enough, every business is run this way.

Now where the real arguement lies, is the fact that I believe that he owes me for the harnesses, and he doesn't. My solution would benefit both of us. He obviously wants the taillights back because they are of some value to him. He is not going to pay me to ship them back and then throw them in the garbage because that is wasting his own money. I would assume that he would fix them up, reglue and replace the missing LEDs, and resell them. Now, he sent me the taillights with bare wires and wire taps. I will be sending the taillights back with directly connected wires for a plug and play option. See the difference? If he were to resell these taillights, they would be of more value because they are now plug and play. Now this benefits us both, because he would be selling a better product and his cost is only 20 dollars extra, while I would have atleast 1/2 compensation for my cut harnesses. It's not like he is paying for the harnesses and not getting anything in return for them. So, now that you've stuck your nose in Kevlo's business also, I ask that you also let him make his own decisions. If this is not something that he wants, let him be the one to say so and we will work from there.

DR-Max

iTrader: (3)

KEVLO WAS NICE ENOUGH TO TELL YOU HOW TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU WANT TO DO A DIRECT CONNECTION, YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS IS IRREVERSIBLE ONCE YOU START CUTTING WIRES! THAT IS YOUR BAD!
Wax My Max: so i would be losing money overall just to return my car to stock
KevLo 911: i nvr made you* solder connectors and cut off stock
Wax My Max: no, but you told me to
KevLo 911: no i told you to tap
Wax My Max: yes, but then i said i wanted them directly connected and you told me how to
KevLo 911: ya because you asked


KEVLO PAID YOU TWICE FOR SHIPPING!!! THE SECOND IS TO COVER THE RETURN SHIPPING. YOU ARE TAKING HIS TAIL LIGHTS HOSTAGE BECAUSE HE WON'T PAY YOU $40 FOR YOUR CONNECTORS WHICH YOU BOUGHT AND MANGLED ON YOUR OWN BECAUSE YOU WANT TO MAKE IT A DIRECT CONNECT!
KevLo 911: alright i sent 10 for the first time you shipped back
Wax My Max: right
KevLo 911: i will send another 10 right now to get them back
Wax My Max: and what about the connectors?
KevLo 911: i can't do anything about that
Wax My Max: i had to pay 40 for them from an org member

THIS IS YOUR FOUL UP AND YOU ARE STICKING KEVLO WITH THE BILL!
KevLo 911: you could have soldered the connectors to the bulb sockets but apparently you lost them
KevLo 911: so that is not my fault

THIS IS THE LAMEST EXCUSE ANYONE'S EVER HEARD! HE ALREADY REFUNDED YOU THE $200...SEND HIM HIS TAILS BACK!
Wax My Max: guess i cant help ya then
KevLo 911: wtf
KevLo 911: give me my fcking money then
Wax My Max: so i can lose 200 bucks? no thanks
KevLo 911: apparently i just lost a set of tails
Wax My Max: yes, you did
Wax My Max: but theres nothing i can do about it
KevLo 911: why isent you money expecting tails, why would i refund you if I was not gonna get my tails backl

KEVLO REFUNDED YOU THE MONEY FIRST IN GOOD-FAITH THAT YOU WILL SEND HIS TAILS BACK! DO YOU HAVE **** FOR BRAINS??? ANY ONLINE SELLER/COMPANY WILL NOT REFUND YOUR MONEY UNTIL YOU HAVE SENT BACK THE PRODUCT. YOU JUST TOOK ADVANTAGE OF KEVLO! YOU CAN’T SHOW HIM PROOF OF YOUR INTERPRETATION OF “THE LAW” BECAUSE YOU MADE IT UP!
Wax My Max: no, you sent me money because you sent me a non working product
KevLo 911: do they let you keep thing you buy from stores that are broken
KevLo 911: NO
Wax My Max: yes, if they dont pick it up its yours
KevLo 911: wtf
KevLo 911: where tehy hell did you hear this
Wax My Max: its actually the law
KevLo 911: is it
KevLo 911: show me
Wax My Max: sure let me look
KevLo 911: alrighty
Wax My Max: cant find it off hand, but if you look im sure you will find it
KevLo 911: look where
KevLo 911: i want you to show me
Wax My Max: the company if at fault, is responsible for claiming their product not the customer
Wax My Max: this is why generally online companies ask for the product back before they issue you a refund

THE LAW ISN’T SINGLE-SIDED LIKE YOU ARE! IF IT IS, THEN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM WOULD NOT EXIST, THEY’D SIMPLY JUDGE AND EXECUTE YOU FOR YOUR CRIMES AND VIOLANTIONS! YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE TWISTING THINGS AROUND.
Wax My Max: family is lawyers, i know this stuff
KevLo 911: ok...
Wax My Max: but seriously, look on google for business law, im sure you'll find it
KevLo 911: so because your family has lawyers in it your gonna scew me over?
Wax My Max: no, not at all
Wax My Max: but thats how the law goes
KevLo 911: i can give you money to shipp them back
KevLo 911: nothing more
Wax My Max: and thats why i cant help you

I guess it is true.......YOU CAN'T ARGUE WITH IDIOTS! This just confirmed it with me.

Sqard

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DR-Max, I really don't mean to be rude, but I think you're totally missing the point. If you don't know the situation dont open your mouth. We've covered all of those topics already. Kevlo has NOT refunded me shipping yet, so I don't know why you're claiming he has. Really, he has refunded me twice for shipping? Interesting.

KevLo 911: alright i sent 10 for the first time you shipped back
Wax My Max: right
KevLo 911: i will send another 10 right now to get them back

I think you missed the "I will" part. Show me a paypal transaction that shows him refunding me twice for shipping. Maybe if you read you would know that I had previously sent the taillights back and this was what Kevlo was referring to.

You crack me up man. What are you trying to accomplish by this? Proving to me that you're an idiot? You've accomplished that a long time ago. In a judicial system, they'd execute me for not giving back car taillights? Haha, I don't even know what to say to that.

Kevlo911

iTrader: (36)

I sent you my harnesses that I cut off my car, I should not have to pay for any harnesses period. I will pay you for hte shipping when you are ready to ship them.

I have been at Maxus so I was not able to respond to this thread. I can get someone to pick them up from your house anytime as long as you give them to him/her.

Sqard

iTrader: (12)

Kevlo, you did not send me harnesses, you sent me cut off bulbs which do me no good. Harnesses refer to the wiring that connects directly to the stock wiring. I will send you the same "harnesses" you sent to me back with the package also.

Pearl96Max

iTrader: (151)

This STILL isnt settled? Its been posted for a week already and who knows how long it went on prior to that. He sent you back your money, just send him the taillights.

DR-Max

iTrader: (3)

To be honest, for all these people to be telling you the same thing and that is to send back the tails since you already got the refund for it, yet you haven't done it because of a measly $10 shipping, makes you idiotic! Noone has to spell that out for you! Simple.......you got your refund, you send the tails back. Whatever else needed settling can be disputed later on. That's the point you fail to miss that we are all trying to make, you are just too idiotic to see it.

True noone would execute you for not giving back the tails but what does constitute possessing something that belongs to someone else??? Stealing! Yes... that is a punishable crime! Kevlo sent your refund so that he can get his tails back but it's still in your possession. You admitted in your other post that the tails are still of value. Otherwise why would you try selling it in the 4th gen classifieds? Had you sold those tails, do you think its justice to get $130 for it when you would have been out only $10 for shipping it back to Kevlo? What would you have done with the remaining $120, can you honestly admit that you will give that to Kevlo because afterall, you got your $200 back already before this whole dispute began? Why should you keep the additional $120? I guess you failed to see that point as well because of your idiotic excuses. Most of all, there is not a single person in this thread that replied different, yet you kept insisting that your reasoning is good and acceptable in a general sense. Look up the word "idiotic" in the dictionary, better yet let me share it with you:

idiotic

adj 1: insanely irresponsible; 2: completely devoid of wisdom or good sense

Funny how that describes you to the "T" here. Do you think what you are doing is good sense? You refuse to send back an item worth $200 for a $10 shipping charge? Is that even good sense? You tell me. Your excuse now is because you don't want to front $10, what's your next excuse?

I completely have nothing to gain by taking Kevlo's side but as you can see everyone agrees here that you need to send those tails back...no excuses!

I know you are going to reply back again insisting that you are in the right. Save it because there's nothing you can say that will make anyone in here see it in your own little twisted way. Here's one more thing, you are jeopardizing your reputation in this org for a measly $10! Is your reputation only worth that or even lets say another $10 for whatever other things you had to spend money on as a result of all this that had transpired during your transaction with Kevlo? Its funny, all this has the phrase: "YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT!" written all over it.

Kevlo911

iTrader: (36)

It has been resolved.