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ranmas2004 07-02-2012 03:13 PM

2002 Turbo Maxima 404WHP & 393FT-LBS
 
FINALLY ALL MY HARD WORK PAID OFF!!!

Custom Turbo setup using Cattman Headers and Y-pipe with 3" Cattman exhaust.

Precision 6266 Ceramic Dual Ball Bearing Turbo, Turbosmart Hypergate Wastegate, Turbosmart BOV. Tuned with Haltech 350z Platinum Pro with Dual Channel Wideband Controller. 8PSI

404whp & 393ft-lbs

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8155/7...79003a61_b.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8151/7...79b1d574_b.jpg

RT Tuning hooked it up!! They were having a couple of problem on the dyno.

Problem 1: As you all know I have been having problems with these widebands since they were installed. On top of NOT being calibrated they were installed backwards. Someone installed Bank 1 Sensor in BANK 2 and vice versa.

Vince pointed out to me when you put the Haltech in O2 sensor control the 2 widebands go the opposite way...for example AFR on bank 1 starts to go to 19 then the AFR on bank 2 starts to go low like 12. When O2 correction was enabled this is what was happening. Vince, the tuner, thought this was because someone put the widebands in the wrong bank. So they swapped the widebands and that was IT!!! All this time the IDIOTS put my widebands in the wrong bank.....so what was happening was this: Bank 1 sensor would try to correct to 14.7AFR but it wasn't seeing it because it was actually correcting Bank 2 so it would continue trying to correct...and VICE VERSA. This is what caused AFRs on both banks to run away from eachother. Anyway simple fix with a swap of the widebands.

The second problem was spark plugs were installed and were not gapped for turbo so they were blowing out........was making 360whp on 6.5psi with spark plug blow out!!! Anyway they were removed and gapped properly.

After the problems were ironed out the car ran hard on dyno and tuning went very easy. The car runs SUPER SUPER hard!!! The thing sounds like a freakin transformer from HELL when the turbo is spooling!!! No way to explain it you just have to hear it....pulls hard ALL the way to redline. Had about 5 people from the Philly crew show up to support. We all went for a test drive and with 6 PEOPLE in the car thing pulled HARD AS HELL!!! I can actually really feather 2nd so it doesn't peel thanks to those fat 245 tires. 3rd and 4th gear are just WICKED!!Driving normally you can barely hear the exhaust note.....what a sleeper!!!

Vince did say torque is probably dropping off because of the 2.5" downpipe I used. He said its fine but if I wanted torque to remain more flat then a 3" downpipe would be good! But he said the car makes GREAT power. The shop that installed the turbo installed a manual boost controller and RT Tuning used that to turn up the boost 1 PSI so I could get to my 400whp number. Glad I bought that :D

I'll try to get some videos later. Its my 3rd wedding anniversary so I cant be messing around with the car all day....have to spend some time with the wifey!! So this post ws kind of written VERY fast so if it doesn't make sense thats why......

WesCTR 07-02-2012 03:17 PM

definitely a fun day spent at R/T. Glad you got to enjoy the car on the way home after you left lol.

maximusberg 07-02-2012 03:39 PM

congrats man!!!

t6378tp 07-02-2012 03:40 PM

Congraz

jr schultz 07-02-2012 03:42 PM

Congrats! 400 WHP has got to be fun on a fwd. I'm not sure I would even do anything else to it.

maxgtr2000 07-02-2012 04:33 PM

Nice, an electric cutout may solve your problem. Did the pipe go from 3 to 2.5 then back to 3?

Xfactor22 07-02-2012 04:37 PM

Glad to have ridden with 5 other people for its first drive!! Why? Because 6 people.

Congrats javon!

1swtmax 07-02-2012 05:03 PM

Really nice numbers. Now start saving for some tires. I had RE-11 255/35/19 and could roast 1st, 2nd, and most of 3rd what a freekin blast. Had so many kills with that car.
Taking it to the track?

Again congrats.

accordingtou 07-02-2012 05:15 PM

"like"...lol

desmax98 07-02-2012 05:29 PM

wicked congrats mines will be terrorizing queens,Brooklyn and long island streets late nights coming soon.:D

Shift_A32B 07-02-2012 05:39 PM

:eek: I'm jealous.
Congrats! :thumbsup::thewizard:

WesCTR 07-02-2012 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Xfactor22 (Post 8531311)
Glad to have ridden with 5 other people for its first drive!! Why? Because 6 people.

Congrats javon!

yup. we definitely had a good time. car sounds nasty. definitely pulls hard.

streetzlegend 07-02-2012 07:11 PM

Congrats!!!
Amazing what a quality turbo can do at such low boost.
Let me tell you 400+ hp is a whole lot of fun in our max, even with no traction.

What was your final AFR and timing?

ranmas2004 07-02-2012 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by WesCTR (Post 8531257)
definitely a fun day spent at R/T. Glad you got to enjoy the car on the way home after you left lol.

YEAH BRO!!! I'm so lovin the car even more now!!!


Originally Posted by maximusberg (Post 8531270)
congrats man!!!

YEAAH bro...you next.


Originally Posted by t6378tp (Post 8531271)
Congraz

Thanks, I might have you custom fab a 3" downpipe for me in the future....maybe next year and re-dyno to see if that torque picks up on the top end...I think it will.


Originally Posted by jr schultz (Post 8531273)
Congrats! 400 WHP has got to be fun on a fwd. I'm not sure I would even do anything else to it.

Just a 3" downpipe in the future......


Originally Posted by maxgtr2000 (Post 8531309)
Nice, an electric cutout may solve your problem. Did the pipe go from 3 to 2.5 then back to 3?

Yes, 3" coming off the turbo, then reduced down to 2.5" and connecting to 3" Cattman catback exhaust.


Originally Posted by 1swtmax (Post 8531338)
Really nice numbers. Now start saving for some tires. I had RE-11 255/35/19 and could roast 1st, 2nd, and most of 3rd what a freekin blast. Had so many kills with that car.
Taking it to the track?

Again congrats.

Yeah man car SMOKES!!! Its super fun!!! I might take it to the track, but not going to beat the crap out of it because its my daily and I put alot of work into the car. If I do go to the track I will just run street tires...no slicks....not trying to break axles....I could really care less how fast it does the 1/4 mile...ITS FAST....you know.


Originally Posted by streetzlegend (Post 8531438)
Congrats!!!
Amazing what a quality turbo can do at such low boost.
Let me tell you 400+ hp is a whole lot of fun in our max, even with no traction.

What was your final AFR and timing?

Actually I was messing around with the car pretty much all day from a dig......I can stick 2nd gear now in boost....LOW boost but I can get it to hook without ANY wheelspin...I cant go WOT in 2nd gear.....I have to barely rest my foot on the pedal and it will stick.....then once I get to 3rd I have so much momentum already I can WOT with no spin in 3rd.

AFR was anywhere from 11.5-11.8. I have to connect the PC up to the Haltech to get the timing. But the tuner did say he could have leaned t up more but he went conservative...which is fine I don't care. Thing makes GOBS of power and torque.

Rods03Max619 07-02-2012 08:49 PM

Damn Nice Numbers, cant wait to see some Vids, get your homie to cruise by you like the other Video......:D

streetzlegend 07-02-2012 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by ranmas2004 (Post 8531537)

AFR was anywhere from 11.5-11.8. I have to connect the PC up to the Haltech to get the timing. But the tuner did say he could have leaned t up more but he went conservative...which is fine I don't care. Thing makes GOBS of power and torque.

Acceptable AFR, it would be great if you could share the timing map/table when you have a chance. I am curious to see what timing your tuner went with. I am guessing he kept it at max 16-17degree's.

ranmas2004 07-02-2012 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by streetzlegend (Post 8531590)
Acceptable AFR, it would be great if you could share the timing map/table when you have a chance. I am curious to see what timing your tuner went with. I am guessing he kept it at max 16-17degree's.

I'll connect laptop up in the morning and share....for now Im going to bed.

Unklejoe 07-02-2012 10:09 PM

killer numbers. made what i expected it would.

also interested in the timing curve. probably like 18 degrees

MoncefA33 07-02-2012 10:39 PM

That power is crazy, the curve is just nuts. That setup is barely being pushed at all, turbo isn't even breaking a sweat @8psi.

clintb3astwood 07-02-2012 11:57 PM

Sick numbers man, did you do any custom internal work to the motor? I always thought about going boost on a 3.5 but im afraid of blowing the motor

datdude20 07-03-2012 03:18 AM


Originally Posted by ranmas2004 (Post 8531596)
I'll connect laptop up in the morning and share....for now Im going to bed.

time to change your sig


Originally Posted by clintb3astwood (Post 8531660)
Sick numbers man, did you do any custom internal work to the motor? I always thought about going boost on a 3.5 but im afraid of blowing the motor

a good tune and you would be aight...stock 350z pushing 500whp on stock motors with a good tune

t6378tp 07-03-2012 04:24 AM

I willing to beat your not even it that turbo's range yet, 12psi would be crazy.

ranmas2004 07-03-2012 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by Unklejoe (Post 8531617)
killer numbers. made what i expected it would.

also interested in the timing curve. probably like 18 degrees

I'm going to connect the PC to the car in a few and look at the timing...just woke up.


Originally Posted by MoncefA33 (Post 8531638)
That power is crazy, the curve is just nuts. That setup is barely being pushed at all, turbo isn't even breaking a sweat @8psi.

Yeah I can tell it wants more, but my motor cant take it...lol


Originally Posted by clintb3astwood (Post 8531660)
Sick numbers man, did you do any custom internal work to the motor? I always thought about going boost on a 3.5 but im afraid of blowing the motor

No this is a totally stock block...


Originally Posted by datdude20 (Post 8531695)
time to change your sig



a good tune and you would be aight...stock 350z pushing 500whp on stock motors with a good tune

Thanks I forgot..LOL

I don't know if I'd want to push that much on my daily driver. If it was just a weekend car I would turn the boost up. Actually it IS a VERY good tune. I have a manual boost controller in the car but Im not going to touch it.....:D


Originally Posted by t6378tp (Post 8531704)
I willing to beat your not even it that turbo's range yet, 12psi would be crazy.

Yeah 12psi would probably would net me around 450-470ish......with 430-450ft-lbs torque.....

I video a 3rd gear pull last night but dont want to get banned so Im not going to post it.....BUT I do have a link to my youtube account below (HINT HINT) :D

datdude20 07-03-2012 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by ranmas2004 (Post 8531717)


Thanks I forgot..LOL

I don't know if I'd want to push that much on my daily driver. If it was just a weekend car I would turn the boost up. Actually it IS a VERY good tune. I have a manual boost controller in the car but Im not going to touch it.....:D

i think you are good where u at now....anything higher and it would just be a dyno queen. the car wouldnt be able to put the power to the ground




Originally Posted by ranmas2004 (Post 8531717)

Yeah 12psi would probably would net me around 450-470ish......with 430-450ft-lbs torque.....

I video a 3rd gear pull last night but dont want to get banned so Im not going to post it.....BUT I do have a link to my youtube account below (HINT HINT) :D

lol...i think 12 psi on that turbo would be closer to 500whp

datdude20 07-03-2012 06:10 AM

just saw the 3rd gear pull on youtube.....ridiculous :eek:

Grand_hustle17 07-03-2012 06:56 AM

Links...... Contests broski

aackshun 07-03-2012 07:04 AM

Nice fat chevy LS curves, that's what I'm talkin about :thumbsup:

Good ish'

Unklejoe 07-03-2012 09:28 AM

i couldnt get my car to hook at all with 374whp so i cant imagine what yours must be like. i would be daily driving on a radial if i were you lol

ranmas2004 07-03-2012 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by datdude20 (Post 8531751)
just saw the 3rd gear pull on youtube.....ridiculous :eek:

did you see the 3rd and 4th gear pull also?? :eek: :eek:


Originally Posted by aackshun (Post 8531784)
Nice fat chevy LS curves, that's what I'm talkin about :thumbsup:

Good ish'

Yeh man car pulls HARD!!!


Originally Posted by Unklejoe (Post 8531935)
i couldnt get my car to hook at all with 374whp so i cant imagine what yours must be like. i would be daily driving on a radial if i were you lol

Honestly alot of people dont like Federall SS 555s but those thing GRIP....I have no problem with traction at all. I can even boost in 2nd gear holding the throttle real light and still pulling and not loosing traction...when I slam 3rd it doesn't loose ANY traction.....fantastic tires!!! Makes it even more fun to drive!!!

I just felt sorry for that 2012 Mercedes AMG last night.......:D

t6378tp 07-03-2012 02:18 PM

Does haltec have tq management

ranmas2004 07-03-2012 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by t6378tp (Post 8532320)
Does haltec have tq management

Not that I'm aware of......

nishfish871 07-03-2012 04:04 PM

Your 3rd gear pull is like my 1st gear pull...holy crap

t6378tp 07-03-2012 04:49 PM

hate seeing stuff like this cause it makes me want to build another maxima

Rods03Max619 07-03-2012 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by Grand_hustle17 (Post 8531778)
Links...... Contests broski


1 Post at the bottom his youtube Link....:D

And Fcuk I want a Turbo Now....:D

NiZMo1o1 07-03-2012 06:41 PM

congrats , awesome #s

ranmas2004 07-03-2012 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by nishfish871 (Post 8532412)
Your 3rd gear pull is like my 1st gear pull...holy crap

Its INSANE!!!


Originally Posted by t6378tp (Post 8532466)
hate seeing stuff like this cause it makes me want to build another maxima

Yeah man....build one..I would love to see a fully built VQ35DE with one of your custom turbo setups......600whp??? :D


Originally Posted by NiZMo1o1 (Post 8532610)
congrats , awesome #s

Thanks!!!

aic96max 07-04-2012 05:31 AM

Go out and race some vettes, cobras, :D highway fun!!! great #s... OH and if you can race a 12 psi SC 3.5 any gen max so i can show the vid to a friend lmao... he still misses his old V1 kit .put it on FB

t6378tp 07-04-2012 05:38 AM

well if I do it will be a 4gen on e85, stock motor, sheet metal intake, fender exit cutout and hopefully 500fwhp

again congraz enjoy the car, get a oil cooler .. and I wouldn't change anything less it's just to get a # on the dyno

ranmas2004 07-04-2012 07:17 AM

I thought this was VERY interesting..

I took my fully bolted on and tuned ALL Motor Maxima tune and laid it on top of the Turbo tune......:eek:

Before (All motor): 275whp @6000rpm & 258ft-lbs @4700rpm

After (Turbo): 404whp @6200rpm & 393ft-lbs @4500rpm

DIFFERENCE: +129WHP & +138FT-LBS @8psi :eek: :eek:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8433/7...416e3d4c_o.jpg

As you can see there is no lag at all.

At 3000rpms Im making 148whp & 260ft-lbs vs. 127whp & 224ft-lbs.

At 3500rpms Im making 192whp & 288ft-lbs vs. 154whp & 231ft-lbs.

Basically increases through out the ENTIRE RPM BAND!! SWEET!!

SurraTT 07-04-2012 07:35 AM

Glad to see its all come together! It takes a while to get there but once its right its all worth it!


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