I didn't get a chance to respond last night and this morning the thread is locked already? So what else is new...

Seriously Jambo, what kind of post was that? Nikelodeon, please man, you insult the serious people around here. I for one will try my best to post, when I do post, something informative and try to be helpful. Many people here do the same thing from just simply observing what's going on. But when you, the one whos supposed to make this site work, step down to a standard like Nikelodeon how can we take you serious in making sure this page is ran in a democratic way rather than what has become your autocracy ways. People offer help and your answer is to do it the Nikelodeon way... you insult us.

<b>Héctor</b>

Why is it that I'm suddenly the bad guy here?
 

The only reason I had to state something like that was due to the fact that we have moronic brethren here who insist on acting the age of the average Nickelodeon viewer.

Like I said before in another post, most newspapers will admit that they write at a 6th grade level to accomodate all readers -- are you offended by that? Granted, it's not the brightest outlook for our society, but it's not worth getting all upset over.

This isn't that big of a deal. Sorry for trying to run a valuable and non-crap filled site. If anyone's offended, I'm sorry.

and before some certain people jump out and say "it's his house, his rules, just like I ask you to take shoes off when you enter my house and i don't need to argue with you about it...".
I am sorry that your simple mind can't see the difference here.

See, if this is a communist country like China in 60's, then you are right, whatever chairman Mao said was the rule, you don't like it? they kill you.
But this is an internet club, and more importantly, it's going(or at least trying to go) the commercialize route. which mean, you need to have reasonable rules, have decent amount of hits and users, then you get sponsors and advertisemnet. it's bad for business when you have silly rules and disturbed users.

that's all i want to say.

Honestly, I'm willing to sacrifice the few users that have a problem with it for the betterment of the community as a whole. I think the problem to this point is that I've allowed too much BS to go on anyway.

Maybe the quality members will hang around and the riff-raff will fall by the wayside.

If you don't like it, don't stay -- plain and simple.

Re: Why is it that I'm suddenly the bad guy here?
 

there is absolutely no reason to apologize. people, or at least me, are just trying to figure out the reason behind it.

i mean, if it's nude and porn, then hell yes i agree with you 100%. it should be gone. but if it's a pic of women(an attractive one), what's the real big deal about it?
if you think, there is teens visit this site so it's not good, then sure i can agree with you, but i doubt that's the case.
if you think, it's crap because it's meaningless pics that doesn't do anything positive for this site, then sorry to many other pics posted are the same crap(such pics of pets, not pointing finger but try to establish a point here).

so exactly what's the big deal?? we had tons of pics like that posted before, never had problem, now just because some certain individual made a complaint(never mind the fact one should not go here in the 1st place if work disallow), everything needs to be changed???
do you honestly think there are more users are this site mind those pics than the ones that don't mind??

<i>"If you don't like it, don't stay -- plain and simple."</i>

let me off something better...

If I don't like it I would like to vote for something better. How about that?

<b>Héctor</b>

One step further....

"If you don't like it, say you don't like it, be vocal and be heard. If the voice heard is that of the masses, then maybe it's time to rethink things."

without taking sides...
 

I'm not the one who has to sleep at night wondering if some 12 year old is looking at porn on someones sig on my site. I'm not the one having to rely on the sensiblities of others (who may not have them) to 'do the right thing' and post responsibility. And I'm not paying the bills here.

Right or wrong, this just another thorn in Jambo's side. And he's got a pretty thankless job, that really hasnt really been all that rewarding yet I would imagine. Not being in his shoes, I dont think we should pass too many judgements (or call him a 'simpleton' as above).

More than reasonable.
And my honest opinion, I doubt the nick rule is what the majority here agree. not the porn stuff, just the nick rule, cuz we are not 8 years old here.

Re: without taking sides...
 

You obviously have a very different definition about porn.
cuz those pics in kenneth(for example)'s sig, 12 years old can will see them on TV or movie left and right, come on, you think ugly women with flat chest get jobs easier on tv and silver screen??

Let's just hope then. See, I have nothing against you personally, it's just that when you edit people post's, delete some and lock otheres without any real set of regulations how are we supposed to react? Bull sh it should never be tolerated along with porn, but everything outside of that needs regulations or rules to make it all easier. The Nikelodeon Rule and My Way of the Highway is somthing hard to accept, dont you agree?

<b>Héctor</b>

I like cars!

well...
 

not everyone has the mental capacity you (woodear) and hector... nor do they have respect for the rest of us... They act like 8 year old kids.. you (w.e.), hector, me, and 95% of the rest of the board could continue on as we always have without ever posting something questionable or lewd. you guys are right in priciple.. unfortunately its people without principle that the rule applies to. I didnt think for a second that I would have to change anything... neither would you (w.e.) or hector.


[Edited by TimW on 01-10-2001 at 10:50 AM]

woody...
 

no, my definition of porn doesnt matter... personally, I like breasts and pictures of them ;) but its that parent that walks up and sees their 12 year old looking at them... then its jambo's problem, not ours. so what can we say about it? its not our responsiblity to take the parent's (or lawyers) call.

Well, remember that the signup agreement that everyone has to click "I Agree" to when they get an account states as the very last thing before you click 'I Agree':

</I>The owners of Maxima.org reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.</I>

So, quite honestly, there doesn't have to be a reason and all ~2700 people who have signed up agreed to that rule.

i highly dought a 12 year old nor his father will be offended at the pic. shes coming off soon guys.. :(

Put it this way. How many people are listed here? And how many are complianing about it? Considering no matter what rule you gonna have, people are going to ***** about it, the complaint level is extremely low. Plus the Nick rule was more to cater to the level of the person's maturity level than a strict rule I believe.

its not your decision to make....
 

at this point it would be a matter of respect for the person who has to make that decision.

I'm kinda surprised you havent already pulled it. I would have, whether I agreed or not. Personally, if one person out of 2000 on here had a problem with something I was doing, I'd pull it. Guess I'm 'old school that way.

'nuff said.....

<b>Héctor</b>

Hector,

The job of the moderator is to determine what is appropriate and what is not. Whatever this person decides is frankly what happens. I don't understand why that offends you...

-Shing

Doug said it right. It comes down to the boss, I know people have been argueing all year weather surfing the web is Ok at work or not. At my Job it is, no one cares but they do care when there's a picture of a women on the screen showing her components. no one is walking up to my monitor to read what the post says but a women on a monitor is spotted from 20feet away. there are some rules on surfing, and porn and 1/2 naked women on the screen is beyond that rule, I haven't said anything about it weather U guy keep posting your sigs up or not doesn't effect me but I think there are others out there who are in the same job field where they can't get away with this stuff, I think if Jambo needs to put the smak down then let it be, people who don't post things like that have nothing to worry about.

also i don't think shes half naked.. have you been out recently? its winter now but go to any college campus, mall or whatever in the summer, girls like to show themselves sometimes. the girl is a model for one of the million dollar F1 racing teams like Mclaren.. i really don't think they would have a trashy image

first of all we should be happy that this board is free, and secondly i think everyone should let it be Jamie will do what he wants cause he runs the dam thing either except or dont come here anymore . Until people have to pay we really dont have a much to say. Is it really that important to you to post pics of girls have naked is everyone that hard up here that they never seen a nacked girl b4.I myself like the pics but i can live with out them. There are alot better things to talk about than these types of things, for example our maximas.




DEBO

What I was offended about was more on the lines of editing a massage that one wrote or deleting it all together with the rule being, if it's not on Nikelodeon we don't want it here. I mean really...

I understand censorship is no easy task becuase no two people will ever see eye-to-eye on everything they thinks is lewd or offensive. Also in the case of porn and extreme cussing I'm all for removing that 'casue it has no place here. In the end of all that I understand it's hard to argue but I just want a democratic opinion not just from one person. I know Jambo pays for everything and does everything here but he has been offered for a very long time money and resources which he has generously declined. So nobody can use that against someones opinions.

I know threads like this lead nowhere in the end and I knew that before I hit the "Submit" button but I have to exercise my right to an opinion sometimes too...

I have no hard feeling over all this just wishing for something better, that's all....

<b>Héctor</b>

Actually someone already said that we are right about the principle.
They also said that the complaint rate is extremely low considering the total users numbers, but the way the site owner want is, if 1 out of 2000 complains, he is gonna do it for that 1 person.
so... in my book, the democratic opinion says you are right, but democratic opinion don't own the site :)

Remember guys, it's not your "right" to belong to this site. Jambo can do whatever he feels appropiate. Simple as that. If you don't like it, leave.

I also think ALL pics should be removed from sigs. I know everyone loves their cars (and women), but it's just such a waste of space and TIME for us that don't have high speed internet. This is one of the few forums I know of that allow any pics. I get so damn tired of seeing "so and so's" motorcycle and Maxima, blond chick on a Maxima, line up of three performance cars (some of which they don't own anymore), whatever. It's silly. Just link people to your site instead of wasting our time.


Dave

Sorry it's taken me so long to jump in
 

but here's the deal. This site is a business. Nuff said. Any site that is there to make money will have rules and regulations as to what can and cannot be posted. Now, if you don't like the rules, then do business somewhere else. I am sick and tired of hearing complaining over issues like not being able to post pics of women with cleavage. There are so many more important problems in this world than getting upset over not being able to post boobies. Most businesses request the way customers act in their place of business. What's wrong with that? GET OVER IT. THIS IS STUPID. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO KEEP A STUPID PIC OUT OF YOUR SIG? THIS IS NOT CENSORSHIP. IT IS A SIMPLE REQUEST TO KEEP THINGS AS MUCH ON TOPIC OF CARS, AND RESPECTFUL AS POSSIBLE.

:bonk: Low blow...

if you are talking about me, i have to say you are one of few that considers a Maxima is a performance car.

ok I havent really put in my .02 cents here
 

but it seems some have the problem with the way it was done "The Nicklodeon rule", Question for you. If it was posted as a different named rule or not a rule but a request from Jamie would you still be debating this. I personally feel Jamie has done a great job with the site. Switching servers, getting more advertisements to keep the site alive, even regulating what goes on. Appreciate it! I could really care less about posting naked girls or girls who show more than what should be shown. I mean its the best site in my opinion and to have this type of site this good and responsive is a privilege that we seem to take for granted like crazy. So Jamie set a rule, Should it stop all traffic? No, just abide by the rule and keep on tickin'. Its not the end of the world.

I understand the inherent right to free speech and everything that comes with that. But you have to temper that with what is right and good. There are topics which are appropriate in certain circumstances and same which are not in other circumstances.

Besides, what benefit is added to a post that concerns Max and Max owners by showing a girl with huge breasts. I know better sites for such things.

I may be a new user here but congrats to Jim for taking the right stand.

Bingo! If you have a moderator you have a moderator for a reason and he was appointed for a reason and all due respect should be given whether one agrees or disagrees. Voice an opinion about a decision but keep it respectful.

I've worked in Information Systems Departments and have friends in a bunch of them. I know web monitoring software and UNLESS you aren't supposed to be surfing the web at all unless its work related, I can't imagine anyone getting fired over the pic that was in the sig. If web surfing is monitored and you go to a site that has a gaming advertisement....PING...it shows up as a hit to a gaming site, same for an ad that is "registered with the web monitoring software" as a porn site. You might not be at a porn site and the site might not be about porn, but if its in that category..PING..it got you. If a person in IS needs to evaluate someone's web usage, they are going to look at your history and how long you were on the site. Just because http://www.xrated.com shows up on your activity report doesn't mean you visited the site and doesn't mean you will be fired. If your employer is that fanatic about web usage you shouldn't be at https://maxima.org in the first place, and if someone in IS wants to visit exactly where you've been...(and they can with a click of a button), they will see you are on https://maxima.org that just happens to have this inappropriate pic in one of the sig lines. Sheesh..give us a little credit.

And why all the tangents (like mine I suppose), "The Nickelodean Rule" isn't about free speech, it's not about censorship, it's not about having a moderator, it's about what is appropriate for the site...and it's a site about the maxima's. If I posted a pic of my adorable daughter, it would be just as INappropriate as some chick with nice cleavage.

-L
PS. Apologies for all the posts with common sense explanations from the technical side of things, I was "raised" in an IS Department that gave careful consideration to every decision made, how people would react, how to make their lives easier when "change" happened, and believed in stating the why's and wherefore art thou Romeo's of every decision. If staff can't understand WHY some of the decisions and rules are being made, then the anxiety level for any number of reason is always much higher and if staff understands them from the "get-go", we are able to go on about our jobs instead of calming the feathers of someone who has had their net access yanked because they have been "playing" all day" while orders can't get thru.

>Originally posted by Shingles
>Hector,
>The job of the moderator is to determine what is >appropriate and what is not. Whatever this person decides >is frankly what happens. I don't understand why that >offends you...

Ok so let me ask:
Is pictures of rats looking pets appropriate???
If that is, how can a pic of your adorable daughter not??
If that's not, how come no one *****ing about that???

LOL...you got a point!..But wait..I thought it was a ferret!!!! AND the same post was posted TWICE I think, because I remember thinking.."grrrrr" as the pic loaded...then "double grrrrr" as it loaded again!!! Or maybe he sent in two different posts, I is blonde and can't remember that far back. And if it gets to where a large number of pics are like that and the other in discussion, or pics of people's children, then its my choice to find my maxima info elsewhere, and I will. As a web site designer (on some level) and as a surfer,if a page doesn't start to load in 5 seconds or isn't completely loaded in 15-20, I'm usually outta there. In the meantime, I think this whole discussion thread is a "head's up" to post pics in moderation and on topic of the group.

PS. Had it been a spider, I'd never been back to the site!!!

I might add..that the reason I'm still here is that I'm usually playing a game of Euchre on the net and I let the pages load while I'm playing. Grrrr, the forums DO take a while to load or kick out to an error message, especially in the evening and one has to wonder if it's just traffic overloading a server, which I can tolerate for a site such as this (helpful not commercial)..or if the pics contribute to that overload in a large way. Jambo..can your stats give any insight to that?


[QUOTE]Originally posted by OWhatAThrill
[I]As a web site designer (on some level) and as a surfer,if a page doesn't start to load in 5 seconds or isn't completely loaded in 15-20, I'm usually outta there.