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MaXXX Feb 25, 2002 04:46 PM

HID's with Modded High-Beams!
 
Hello HID experts!

I am interested on you opinion on something. I would like to install HID lights on my '96, but need distance as well as brightness (I do a lot of country driving, where there are NO steetlights whatsoever). During city driving, I don't want to blind oncoming officers, er, motorists, however, in the country, I am often the lone car with NO visibility, and a heavy foot (need to see far).

So here's what I had in mind: I have the oppurtunity to buy a set of HIDs from an Audi that doesn't need them anymore, complete with the lens, covers, ballasts, bulbs, levelling system, everything. What I want to do is take the lens with the burners inside and install them into the covers of the Max, and connect them to the levelling system. I then connect the levelling system to my high-beam device, and whenever I need the distance, or to flash someone, the levelling system just aims the light up (instead of levelling them down). When I don't need the distance due to oncomming traffic, I dis-engage the highs, and the light is aimed back down.

So what do you think? Is this feasible? What are some of the concerns you can think of? I realize that the headlight covers are designed to distribute light a certain way, however, if I can aim them where the eye of the lows would go and the levelling to where the eyes of the high would go, I should be okay, not perfect, but suitable.

This project is no way easy, so I plan to take it to a mechanic/bodyshop with some headlight installation experience. However, I don't want to be laughed out of there too fast. I figure, what with some exotic modding done by fellow .org'ers, someone should have something to say on the matter. So...

Thanks!

MaXXX

[BTW, what are your opinions of installing HIDs in the "fog lamps" area ONLY. Is the effect more or less the same, with downward aim not to blind? I'm thinking keep the existing system and just install HID's as auxiliary, if my origional levelling idea is not, well, level!]

Thanks again!

:cool:

Ants97SE Feb 25, 2002 05:30 PM

I had thought of this a while back, I'm sure it could be done with some servos. I kinda gave up on it due to lack of time. It would be cool to see it done. Maybe borrow some leveling headlights out of a wrecked Q45 and put the motors in the Maxima.

see5 Feb 25, 2002 06:03 PM


Originally posted by Ants97SE
I had thought of this a while back, I'm sure it could be done with some servos. I kinda gave up on it due to lack of time. It would be cool to see it done. Maybe borrow some leveling headlights out of a wrecked Q45 and put the motors in the Maxima.
Boy that is going to be a major undertaking! Bring lots of money and frustration.. I would get some good bulbs and be happy.

Ants97SE Feb 25, 2002 07:22 PM

Where would the fun be in that? :gotme: That's why it's on hold for now. :D If I can do it for cheaper than the cost of buying Hi-Lo's I'll go for it for the challenge.

MaXXX Feb 25, 2002 08:53 PM

I was thinking of getting hi-lows, but can't find any. What exactly do they do? I know with halogen, there are dual filaments, but hids just burn gas. How can it burn more gas?

Also, who makes hi-lows?

Thanks!

Gotrice4 Feb 25, 2002 11:15 PM

i think it would be easier to get HID's and then get some auxilary lights and put them in the fog light opening and use those as long range beams...something i might undertake, when money allows(meaning never:D)

black019 Feb 25, 2002 11:38 PM

Re: HID's with Modded High-Beams!
 

Originally posted by MaXXX
Hello HID experts!

I am interested on you opinion on something. I would like to install HID lights on my '96, but need distance as well as brightness (I do a lot of country driving, where there are NO steetlights whatsoever). During city driving, I don't want to blind oncoming officers, er, motorists, however, in the country, I am often the lone car with NO visibility, and a heavy foot (need to see far).

So here's what I had in mind: I have the oppurtunity to buy a set of HIDs from an Audi that doesn't need them anymore, complete with the lens, covers, ballasts, bulbs, levelling system, everything. What I want to do is take the lens with the burners inside and install them into the covers of the Max, and connect them to the levelling system. I then connect the levelling system to my high-beam device, and whenever I need the distance, or to flash someone, the levelling system just aims the light up (instead of levelling them down). When I don't need the distance due to oncomming traffic, I dis-engage the highs, and the light is aimed back down.

So what do you think? Is this feasible? What are some of the concerns you can think of? I realize that the headlight covers are designed to distribute light a certain way, however, if I can aim them where the eye of the lows would go and the levelling to where the eyes of the high would go, I should be okay, not perfect, but suitable.

This project is no way easy, so I plan to take it to a mechanic/bodyshop with some headlight installation experience. However, I don't want to be laughed out of there too fast. I figure, what with some exotic modding done by fellow .org'ers, someone should have something to say on the matter. So...

Thanks!

MaXXX

[BTW, what are your opinions of installing HIDs in the "fog lamps" area ONLY. Is the effect more or less the same, with downward aim not to blind? I'm thinking keep the existing system and just install HID's as auxiliary, if my origional levelling idea is not, well, level!]

Thanks again!

:cool:

refer to my sig

Albertt Feb 26, 2002 06:05 AM

What you basically want are bi-Xenon headlamps >>
 

Originally posted by MaXXX
...I have the oppurtunity to buy a set of HIDs from an Audi that doesn't need them anymore, complete with the lens, covers, ballasts, bulbs, levelling system, everything. What I want to do is take the lens with the burners inside and install them into the covers of the Max, and connect them to the levelling system. I then connect the levelling system to my high-beam device, and whenever I need the distance, or to flash someone, the levelling system just aims the light up (instead of levelling them down). When I don't need the distance due to oncomming traffic, I dis-engage the highs, and the light is aimed back down.

So what do you think? Is this feasible? What are some of the concerns you can think of? I realize that the headlight covers are designed to distribute light a certain way, however, if I can aim them where the eye of the lows would go and the levelling to where the eyes of the high would go, I should be okay, not perfect, but suitable.

This project is no way easy, so I plan to take it to a mechanic/bodyshop with some headlight installation experience. However, I don't want to be laughed out of there too fast. I figure, what with some exotic modding done by fellow .org'ers, someone should have something to say on the matter. So...

Thanks!

MaXXX

[BTW, what are your opinions of installing HIDs in the "fog lamps" area ONLY. Is the effect more or less the same, with downward aim not to blind? I'm thinking keep the existing system and just install HID's as auxiliary, if my origional levelling idea is not, well, level!]

Thanks again!

:cool:

Let me try and answer your questions:

There a few OE applications that do what you have described. It is perfectly feasible but you must realize the leveling motors you have on the audi might not have the response that you'd require. Also, do they have the range of travel...meaning can they displace a great enough angle to affect highbeam light?

If you have the '97+ clear acrylic lenses then light dispersion is not a problem.

HIDs do not belong in foglamps. Some here have done it, but it would be difficult undertaking with shoddy results/.

MaXXX Feb 26, 2002 11:45 AM

Thanks all for your help!

Albertt,

Did a little research on the bi-xenon that you mentioned, and determined that its a shield to block a chunk of the light. I take it that the shield is in the lens, not on the burner. Is this right? Also, in your opinion, would you say that this shield is possible to install, or just too expensive to be worth it?

Black019,

What's in your sig? Went to your forum, searched for HIDs, came up with nadda. Did I miss something?

BTW, a company called Bellof seems to have the hid systems with dual beams. Anyone hear of this?

Thanks!

Albertt Feb 27, 2002 07:50 AM

MAxxx >>
 

Originally posted by MaXXX
Thanks all for your help!

Albertt,

Did a little research on the bi-xenon that you mentioned, and determined that its a shield to block a chunk of the light. I take it that the shield is in the lens, not on the burner. Is this right? Also, in your opinion, would you say that this shield is possible to install, or just too expensive to be worth it?...

Some systems use a moving shield others use a stepper/servo motor that actually shifts the position of the bulb.

Read up:

BI-XENON SYSTEMS:

http://www.saabnet.com/tsn/models/2002/pr10.html

http://www.hella.com/produktion/Hell...lectronics.jsp

http://www.memagazine.org/backissues.../letlight.html

HEADLAMPS IN GENERAL:

http://www.hellana.com/maineng/lev1b...3bcb/lev4bcbb/

http://www.eur.lighting.philips.com/...ndexflash.html

edadams Feb 27, 2002 12:55 PM

Bellof makes a Hid kit that utilizes servo technology to adjust from high to low using a single bulb. Check the web for their site.

Albertt Feb 28, 2002 05:13 AM

Maybe it's the engineer in me >>
 

Originally posted by edadams
Bellof makes a Hid kit that utilizes servo technology to adjust from high to low using a single bulb. Check the web for their site.
...but despite an informative website, I'd have to see these Bellof conversions for myself in person.

If I start to see Bellof systems as OE in new cars, then maybe I'd consider them.


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