Will Stillen's "Brembo" BIG BRAKE upgrade fit inside my 18' SSR Integrals?
 

I think I am going to buy a used brembo big brake upgrade off of a member here. It's the fancy kit that retails for about $2600 with the 4 piston setup and dual rotors. I just wanted to make sure if they wuld fit under my 18 inch SSR integrals, my integrals have a +35mm offset and appear to have a ton of extra room around the stcok brake setup.


Heres the demensions for the kit.

Bell Face Thickness: 7 mm
Caliper Overhang: 36.6 mm
Caliper Piston Size: 36x40 mm
Caliper Radial Clearance: 191.7 mm
Disc Size: 328x28 mm

Please let me know of you know, thanks :)


Also if anybody happens to know how much this setup would weigh approx. that would be great too. I have read this setup is a bit lighter then the cheaper stillen 1 piece rotor big brake upgrade setup.

What's the width? If you got 8" and with 35mm. You will clear. 8" with 40mm you will clear too. If you got 7.5" width, doesn't matter what offset. Fat chance!!

I have 18 X 8's :D So the kit should fit right? This kit is off a 99 max so it will fit on 5th gen's too? Any help would be great, I am in the dark in regards to brake kits :)

The caliper will clear for sure. Hmm...I don't know about 4th gen big brake kit on a 5th gen part. Give your buddy at Stillen a call :)

I've been talking to that guy too... its not Stillen's kit though, Stillen's kit has AP calipers, not Brembo. He has the kit under 17" Blitz Type 02s, not sure on his offset though...

i think +35 18x8 will clear.. my 18x8 +38's have a grip of clearance over the wilwoods..

btw, soon nuff ill have 2 +38 integrals (18x8) to try on the wilwoods .. will let you know, but they should clear easy as well.

Stillen uses AP, not Brembo...It comes done to the offset, call them and ask. But the short answer is if the wheel is flush with the fender it should clear, if the wheel sits inside, probley not...but this is just the generic way of figuring. Get the diagrame and pull the wheel and mesure.

The width is more important than the offset when it comes to clearing the caliper. The wider the better :)

I thought they used to sell Brembo and went to AP because of an increased profit on the AP kit...?

I think AP/Brembo are now the same company, but they just use their own components.. Stillen used to sell Brembo, but switched to the AP setups in the last 2 years I believe..

Um, no.

They sell Brembo kits as well as there own that utalizes Ap stuff. As for profit, it's not near what people think it is. This crap cost alot.

Brembo and Ap racing are 2 very different companys.

The lower the offset number, the more room you have to clear the calipers.

Assuming the same wheel.

Case #1. 17X7.5 with 35mm offset.

Case #2. 17X8.5 with 40mm offset.

Which one will clear the caliper? So you are saying the offset in MM is more important than the width in inches?

measure from the backside of the center hub (or if the spoke is more inward, measure from the spoke to the lip) to the lip (have the wheel spokes facing the ground). This will show you how much clearance you have for the caliper. I can fax over a diagram of the Stillen/AP kit which will show you how much room you need.

hmmm how come my Stillen/APs wont fit on my 19x8.5s but they fit with like 8mm clearance on my 18x8s? :(

emax, I'm pretty sure they will fit, SSR GT1s dont have a huge lip and the dimensions are the best you can get

Deep lip rims don't count. Deep lip rims are meant for RWD and not FWD.

well thats why my 19x8.5s dont fit... they have a 2inch or wider lip and it focks with my clearence of the caliper any rim with a lip should give anyone pause when they want a big brake kit...

I need 5mm spacers to run the brakes with the 19"s and the offset isnt that bad, its just how the spokes curve in to make the lip that screws everything up

Thanks for all the replys guy's :) I'm oing to give Brembo a call on MON or Tues, they should be able to tell me for sure.

Most likely both would clear acually. But it is indeed the offset that matters most. Say like in the case of the ap calipers I have you need about 1.5 inches in clearance you need that from the mounting point to the backside of the spoke.

Look at it this way. A 10 inch wide wheel that sits way inside the wheel well isn't gonna clear. a 6.5 inch wide wheel that is pushed out away from the brakes will.

You said "Say like in the case of the ap calipers I have you need about 1.5 inches in clearance you need that from the mounting point to the backside of the spoke."...

The key is spokes to caliper clearance.

The caliper clearance to the spokes has very little to do with offset. Don't get me wrong. Offset matters, but not as dramatic of a differance as the width of the rim. Offset by definition is the center hub mounting surface in relation to the center of the rim.

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/offset.htm

Offset is really important if the caliper sits near the center of the wheel. But it's not, because it's near the outer part of the wheel where the spokes ends. Most wheel spokes extend out towards the lip of the rim. So the wider the rim, the distance between the mount hub and the edge of the rim increases. The wider of the rim, the further out the spokes are. This is what gives you more clearance.

MM is tiny compares to inches. You are playing around with 5MM worth of offset. While with width of the rim, you are playing around with 1". Take a look a ruler and compare 1MM to 1 inch.

I know 3 sets of 7.5" that didn't clear big brakes. Mostly due to width.

Confused's Volk GTP. 17X7.5
MAC's Volk AV3 18X7.5
Ange's Volk Gram light 17X7.5

Lets see if I can't try to explain this a different way. With an offset that will push the hole wheel out more the likely hood is it will clear. Because it pushes the whole wheel out. Yes if you have a wheel with a weird spoke pattern it matters. But thats not the width. Ask them what offset they ran. You can't make a genralzation about a width based soley on that. Take the same exact wheel same size and the only diff being the offset. One will clear one woun't.

I can tell you that the "little" 5mm diff makes a huge diff. Stockers don't clear (45mm) with spokes that are way out, but my aftermarkets with a lip 3 peice wheel with a 39mm offset only 6mm diff they do clear. Another thing, 1.5 inches comes from the chart that stillen gives out. I tosed it but i think it was 1.5 from the mounting plate to the edge of the calipers.

Take an 8.5 wheel 2 of them very different. One 1 peice wheel with a 45mm offset and, one 3 peice wheel with a 40mm offset, the 40 will fit.

If you don't belive me, fine. Good luck, with making any wheel fit so long as its wide. But then try explaining why 7" wide wheels can clear just like a 10" wide.

I fully understand offset plays a role, but it seem like I can't convice you that width of the rim plays an even bigger role for the same rim with the exactly the same offset. Oh well..nice discussion nevertheless :) Maybe one day we will run into each other at car show or a maxima meet. I can show you what I'm talking about :)

I guess the only real facts that I can offer up as a perfect example is this.

I used to have 18X8.5 Volk TE37 with 40mm offset with my Stillen big brakes. They cleared.

A local guy saw my set up and wanted the same thing. He went out bought the Stillen big brakes but he got 18X7.5 Volk TE37 with 40mm offset. He called me up and said he couldn't clear the brakes. He ended up using spacers.

Same wheel..same offset..Why didn't they clear? The difference...the width.

Example:
My Volk Gram Light 17x7.5 (w/ 40mm offset) DOES NOT clear my Stillen/AP Racing 4 Piston Big Brakes. You would need at the very least, an 8mm spacer with 55mm+ wheel studs to make 'em fit.

BTW- Even with the 8mm spacer, you'd be looking at ~3mm clearance from the caliper. IMO: it's too close for comfort.

Ange

Correction.. 17 x 8 (44 offset) not that it really matters :D

Actually I believe that measuring the plane of the mounting surface to backside of spoke clearance (like max'n out stated) is the best way to tell. It is the 'final measurement' after boiling out offset and spoke design consideration. I.E... it doesn't matter what spoke design or offset so long as you have that 1.5" that's needed for the caliper.

So I guess the Stillen AP kit needs 1.5"? The Wilwood Billet Superlites require just over 1.5" (maybe 1.7"?).

Chung...that's very true. The spoke clearance is what really matters. But that's a measurement wheel manufacture really don't list on their size chart, so unless you have the wheels already :)

How true that is... I tried several wheel companies and manufacturers to do so... no luck...

I say we make our own little database of spoke clearance. So many different rims of different sizes here on this board. It's not a hard measurement to take... It just takes a straight edge and a ruler. And it can be done when ever someone removes a tire.

Anybody care to head up collecting this data?

Momo Sports fit hehe 17x8 and 18x8 :)