I took my car to the dealer today and they said that, yup, the UDP is responsible for the problems I am having. Apparently the aluminum wheel is not being read properly by my sensor (which I paid to have replaced. So here's the financial rundown of this ******* UDP.

1. UDP purchase: $180
2. UDP Install: $75
3. UDP replace sensor: $100
4. UDP go to dealer and get raped: $300 (includes new belts and an unrelated $100 problem which is NOT being covered under warranty because of the UDP. I'm not gonna argue. I just want my car fixed.)

Total cost of the UDP that will be sitting on my garage floor: $655!!!

I hate Unorthodox Racing and their stupid, gay UDPs. FUKK THEM.

By the way, if anyone wants my UDP and thinks you can make it work, you are more than welcome to buy it off of me.

 

Oh, and today's repair just cost me my body kit.

I AM DONE MODDING FOREVER. SERIOUSLY.

 

Crank angle sensor? I didn't know any sensors were reading off the crank pulley. Do you have a set of magnets embedded in either the stock pulley or the UDP unit? If not, I don't see how the crank angle or any other sensor is getting a signal from the pulley.

 

Dealer will always try to blame your problem on the aftermarket parts whether it be a pully or just an intake. I would have suggested going to a different mechanic to get the stock pully installed and if problems persisted go back to nissan and have warranty cover it.

 

I don't see how either.

But I look at it this way:

I pay the dealer $300.
They get my car to start.
I stop modding COMPLETELY.

Stupid fukking UDP....I should have known....

 

Look, I understand your frustration. Do me a favor and take a look at the udp and/or the stock pulley. Are the ANY marks(other than maybe timing marks) on it that maybe a sensor could pick up? If not, I don't think Nissan uses the pulley for crank angle measurement, thus they are bs'ing you around in order to charge you(which they get more $ vs warranty work)

Although it looks like Nissan is shady, you also have at least some responsiblity to be knowledgable about what's going. Because if you are, you might have some legal recourse coming.

 

this is really weird...alot of people here have the exact same UDP, but i don't know why you're having all these problem..that really sucks...

but hey, Nissan dealers are selling the exact same UDP at their parts department in So Cal too..

 

Another part of the problem that I neglected to mention is that the original shop apparently broke some bearings by overtightening something.

At this point, I have had it with this stupid car. Here is my list of problems that are the result of modding.

1. Cracked ADR wheels
2. Cracked 19" sidewalls on all 4 of my Toyo FZ-4s
3. Destroyed clearcoat on 18" Maxxim Rumors after having them for 2 weeks.
4. Blown crank pulley sensor
5. Screwed up AC compressor belt and bearings.
6. My suspension nightmare.

I have solved my wheel dilemma and my suspension dilemma and I am THRILLED with the results. Also, the shop only charged me $100 to do my springs and $100 to do my struts (on separate occassions), so I think I saved some $$ there.. I'll just spend it on this now...

After this repair, I am seriously done. This really sucks.

 

I think I'm gonna just sell this car and get that Skyline I've been eyeing.....

 

That shop is probably responsible for screwing up your crank angle sensor and your starting problems.

 

Just a post for those considering the UDP. Please read around other threads before making your decision based on asu174's experience. There aren't any other threads, that I know of, which reflect an experience like this with a UDP and the explanation from his dealer as to the root of the problem seems shady at best.

asu174...no offense to you intended with the above comments. I really think that you are getting fed a line of BS by the dealer you're dealing with. As somebody has already posted, not only have many folks had very positive experiences with the UR UDP, Nissan dealers are selling and installing them on Maxima's themselves.

Good luck getting your car back in working order!!!

 

Hmmmm. Interesting theory. Maybe they replaced the wrong sensor?

Oh well, live and learn. I'll just pay the $ and move on. Out of sight, out of mind. It's not worth an endless battle with the dealership over a couple of hundred bucks that I will never see.

 

!!PLEASE DON'T TAKE THIS AS A FLAME!!

I'm sorry to say, but it wasn't the UDP, it was the INSTALLER. And I quote you saying, First, you have UDP problems. Then your GC don't "work" with your AGXs. You spend LARGE amounts of money on QUALITY components, yet you skimp on the install and are unhappy when the results aren't as expected.

You need to look at the install as MORE valuable than the component you are buying. If the installer does a sh!ty job, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO SUFFERS. Don't give up modding, just yet! You need to do some research on finding a GOOD reputable installer who will back their work. That way if something messes up, it's their *** not your wallet that takes the hit.

If I can't do something MYSELF, than I sure as hell make sure the person who's installing it has a reputation as doing EXCELLENT work. There are MUCH cheaper places I could get things installed, but it's just not worth it IMO. Cost is my LAST concern when it comes to QUALITY products and installs.

Just my .02, which aint worth much.

 

So - what kind of deal are you offering on the pully? PM a $$$ figure.

 

No marks.

http://boostedmaximas.com/y2kevse/im..._pulley/02.jpg
http://boostedmaximas.com/y2kevse/im..._pulley/03.jpg
http://boostedmaximas.com/y2kevse/im..._pulley/04.jpg

The installer probably screwed up... big time.

 

What is the silver side in the bottom pic? I don't have that...... What the hell is that?

 

Crap. I think I am missing something. Help! Quick! What is that silver thing with the 4 screws in it? My UDP is one color with no screws on it.....

 

I am going to keep postwhoring until someone answers me on this one. I'm getting RAPED by the dealer right now....

 

Judging by the 3 tabs, THAT might be what the sensor was supposed to pick up????? Kevina?

 

That would be the same silver piece that was bolted to the back of my UDP as well. Missing that piece would also cause the pulley to be slightly misaligned with the other pulleys...not sure about the tabs and the sensor.

 

Did that come with your UDP??

 

It came with, and bolted to my UDP. They were shipped as one piece.

 

Oh this is BULL****!!!! I have to pay $600 because Unorthodox Racing SUCKS!!!! I DON'T HAVE THAT PIECE!!!!! ARRGGGHHHHH!!!

 

I just pulled my stock pulley out of my auto parts closet here and those metal tabs are laid out exactly the same on the back of the stock pulley so Jeff's idea about the sensor might be correct.

 

That's the problem. I just called Southwest Auto Works and they said that they had gotten a shipment of bad ones from Unorthodox that were missing the ring. I guess that one slipped through the cracks.

My life is HORRIBLE!!!!

 

So in short, it looks like it's partly Asu's and UDP's fault. For once it's not Nissan's fault! Another miracle is that Nissan actually diagnos'd a problem correctly.

It sucks but he really should have compared the stock and aftermarket parts first before installing them. Goes back to knowing what you are installing on your car also.

An expensive lesson.

 

That may be good news! If I were you, I would put the pressure on Alex at Southwest to foot the bill, who will then probably go after UR.

Again, it's NOT your fault THEY screwed up, is it?

 

That was one I didn't know about my pulley when I did the UDP as far as it being read by the crank sensor. Glad I'm learning it now and glad I didn't have a problem like this to diagnose.

 

I really doubt he will pay for anything beyond a replacement UDP and maybe shipping. No aftermarket maker will warranty damage beyond the actual part.

But I think Nissan should have been smart enough to see that the sensor pickup tabs were missing thus, the sensor had nothing to "sense". Maybe he can get his $ back for that.

 

My fault? I brought the UDP, brand new, in box to Uro-Tek, who was recommended to me by Southwest Autoworks for installation. I know jack shiit about cars.

The only mistake I made was taking it to a shop who was unable to recognize that the UDP was defective. And I guess buying from a shop that sold me a defective UDP.

 

I'm no lawyer, but I would say that the retailer would have put verbiage in his/her receipt/bill of sale which protected them from any liability and forces you to go directly to Unorthodox Racing. Cattman does the same thing with its Place Racing parts. However, you may be able to get around that if the verbiage is somehow violating a consumer protection right or something. I'm sure UR or Southwest Nissan will quickly replace the UDP itself...but you will have to go to war to get all the repair costs I'm sure. Might want to get some legal advice on that.

 

Yeah, your probably right.

 

Yeah, I think it's partly your fault. In this case one would have to be smarter than ave to see the differences BUT again, I think we all should be fairly aware of what we are doing to your car modding-wise. Just saying "I don't know jack about cars" won't relieve you from some responsibility. Again, I feel your pain but I really should stress that you should have at least know what you are putting on your own car(as much as possible) I try to be fairly carefull about mods on my own car just for these reasons and not rely on blind luck for the result. Good luck on getting at least SOME of your $ back. ie.. $ for the faulty UDP and maybe from Nissan(for a sensor you didn't need)

 

1. Southwest Auto Works is at fault if they knew about the problem before his shipped and they didn't check his at the time they shipped it.
2. UR is at fault for shipping the wrong part to suppliers.
3. The place that installed it is at fault for not noticing that they were putting a part on the car that didn't match what came off. And apperently over tightining some bolts.

So to me it sounds like you should be able to get some if not all of your money back from these vendors. asu174 you need to slow down a little bit and get your facts together before you fly off the handle you will save yourself some stress. Also don't trounce companies for making mistakes, we all do, it's how a company handles thier mistakes that counts. Check with these places and see what they will do for you and if it isn't up to your standards then blast away.

 

Exactly! Couldn't have been said better.

 

I really doubt the install place will refund the $ associated w/ the UDP install(other than the overtightening issues). They didn't provide the part that caused the problem. How could they be at fault for installing a part that a customer brought in?

 

I think you're being far to liberal with your blame in addition to the fact that "at fault" and "liable" are two different things. At the VERY most, Southwest Auto Works might be in some way liable for repair costs here. I don't see how UR is liable for anything beyond replacement of the pulley itself and may not even be liable for that based on their supplier contact with Southwest. The Installer may be a moron, but asu174 paid him to install a pulley, not to evaluate what the possible result of that would be. I don't think he is liable at all.

My $.02. Get a lawyer to give you some advice on this one.

 

This sucks...

Hmmm.... I always though the crank sensor senses the crank itself (within the block).

 

I just got back from Southwest Autoworks. The funny thing is that the "bad ones" they were talking about were missing the center silver splindle thingy- NOT the timing bracket. It is pictured to the far left in this picture.
http://boostedmaximas.com/y2kevse/im..._pulley/03.jpg

So, with that said, Southwest Auto Works has NEVER seen a pulley with this bracket. I opened up 5 pullies on their shelf and not one of them had this bracket. Plus, they just finished the group deal and sent out a ton of these pullies- ALL OF WHICH WERE MISSING THIS BRACKET.

Southwest Auto Works is not to blame.
Uro-Tek is not to blame.
I am not to blame.

Unorthodox Racing IS to blame.

Alex is calling them tomorrow to see WTF is going on. I am going to be sending them a nice e-mail and a copy of my receipt from the dealer.

BTW- Did you know that the dealer charges $89 to hook up the scanner for the check engine light? WHAT CROOKS!

 

That's f'ing weird. Are they sure they ordered the correct part number from UR? Ask them to give you the part number for the UR part and then compare against the UR web site.

Should be:

2000-2001 - 0210010xx
2002-2003 - 0210110xx

The "xx" is the color code I assume.

That is an enormous quality control issue from a machine shop which does an awful lot of work. I guess everybody screws up something sometime, but what a flub!