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Old Dec 19, 2000 | 11:40 AM
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I have had my '98 Max for 2-1/2 years. Driving home from the dealership after picking it up, I knew I had made a mistake. It is just not the car I thought it would be. I had lusted over Maximas for many years and was so happy to buy one. I guess I was truely caught up in the 4DSC thing. But, after 41k miles of ownership, I don't have many good things to say about it. Well, I have met great friends through Maxima meets, so that's cool. I can't say I completely hate my car, I'm just dissappointed. I wasn't expecting some 10 second, tire screeching monster, I just wanted a nice solid, trouble-free car mainly for communting. But, that isn't what I got. I got a car full of interior rattles that burns oil every 2k miles, has crappy paint, tons of wind noise, awful handling characteristics, power windows that aren't too powerful, constant vibration in the steering wheel, hard to shift into certain gears, and the list could go on . . . And, the real kicker is that when I want a dealership to address these issues, they are totally useless. I have been to three Nissan dealers in my area, and they all suck.

I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I guess sometimes I just need to vent some frustrations. I just really want to like this car, but it is not a easy thing to do. Some of the mods I have added seem to help perk my interest in the car. Though this interest seems to wear off quickly. I should probably just stop modding because it just only seems to temporarily mask the fact that I don't really enjoy the Max. People always tell me just to get rid of it, but the resale value of my car is pathetic. I need to hang on to it for a while longer to make my losses a little more acceptable.

Anyway, cheers to all the people who are "enjoying the ride." You all have some nice looking rides. I hope your having better luck with your Maximas
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 11:58 AM
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Sorry to hear about the bad experience. That's really a surprise, everyone I've ever heard from about the car is impressed with the reliability. Mine's gone 60k miles without a breakdown, just replaced the front rotors at 45k and that's it.
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 12:19 PM
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you bought a lemon. hahahha
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 12:26 PM
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Jimbo

I love my car but like you I'm disappointed also. The first problem I encountered was about 6 months to a year after my purchase. I don't remember when it happened but it happened around that time. The problem I experienced was a bad timing chain. I started up the car and all of a sudden the engine made a loud noise and my dash shook badly. I was like "Oh ****, did I start the car up the wrong way?" A couple of months later it happened again! That was when I started to doubt my purchase. I went to the dealer and they confirmed it was the timing chain and that was fixed. About a month ago when the weather started to get cold, my engine nearly stalled after I start it up. I brought it to the dealer and they said some kind of valve was out of adjustment. A week after Thanksgiving, the dash started making noises.

Like I said earlier, I love my Max but damn those problems are killing me!

[Edited by MaxPerformanceSE on 12-19-2000 at 02:29 PM]
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 12:26 PM
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Sorry to hear man

I've hae no problems with my 97. No wind noise, no rattles, no vibration on the steering wheel, but I do feel it on my shift ****. In fact the only noise I really hear are from the tires. (perhaps your wheel bearings need changing) I like the power and handling characteristics after a few mods. Braking is the best I've driven. My car consumes little to no oil. I dump in 4.5 quarts of Mobil 1 synthetic and 8K miles later, it's just about the same level on the dipstick.
As far as the dealership goes, they're great. In Garden Grove, Southern California, Quality Nissan is amazing. They offer the lowest prices and a few extras. When my car was just a year old, my brother's butt literally ran into the trunk lid of the car (after I stuft him big time playing basketball in the driveway...The car was in the garage at the time) Leaving a pretty large dent where the MAXIMA letters were. I went to get estimates to take out the dent. I had quotes from $300-$1000. I decided I didn't have that kind of money for something so minor so, I drove the car for 3 months, took it to the dealer for it's 1 year service. They charged me $30 less than the coupon ($132) and they took the dent out for free.
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by wicked1044
you bought a lemon. hahahha
I think I got a lemon myself. Aw ****!
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 12:42 PM
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That's a shame man

My 96 SE 5spd has been trouble free for almost 75,000 miles.
My fathers 98 SE Auto is almost at 40,000, and runs like he just got it off the lot.

You simply got a lemon. That sucks!

The reason I bought a Maxima in the first place, was because of my 91 240sx's great reliability. I sold the 240 when it hit about 105,000 miles to my friend 3 years ago. He still has that car with over 150,000 miles on it. He just put a new tranny in it 3 months ago. That tranny would have probable last 200,000 miles if I hadn't dogged that car out so much.

I love my max, It's fast, roomy, and if you lower it, put the rear sway bar on, and some good rubber, it handles almost like your on rails.
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 12:55 PM
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It Happens

I'm sorry but every once in a while, someone will get a lemon, that goes for BMW, Lexus, Nissan whatever. Your experience w/the dealership is a different story. I gladly drive ~70 miles when I need service on my max, because my local monopoly err I mean dealership cares nothing for you once you are "out the door". I know, I used to sell Nissans for them. I don't really know what to say about all the problems you are having, I also have a 98 and I just hit 85 K (all my miles) and I did have the anoying fuel light problem that I posted last month, but the light simply went off after about a week and now works fine. I wish I could say try another one but I know thats not reality, all I can say is the problems you are having a definitely not the norm. Good luck!
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 01:28 PM
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maybe it's a lemon, but...

I don't think my problems are unique to my car. This is a place for people that really like their Maxs. Not many people would hang around here and complain. Plus, many people are not willing to admit something is wrong with their cars.

I too stuck with Nissan because my '91 240sx and '92 Pathfinder were trouble free for the whole time of ownership. Not one rattle either, and I beat my Pathfinder hard while off-roading. From my research, it seems like the 1998 models have had the most problems. I bet my car was built during the tough times Nissan was having. They were in big financial trouble for a while. My friend has y2k Max and has had more problems than I. Who knows? I just don't think I will buying another Nissan for a long time.

Whatever. . . I'm stuck with it for a little while longer, so I guess I should make the best out of it. Stillen S/C, here I come
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 01:35 PM
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I don't regret getting a Maxima, but one thing I do regret is that I got an automatic instead of a 5spd. manual. That's about it because my car has been trouble free. Only one time I need to bring the car back to the dealer was when there's a recall because the 02 sensor was bad. So, I'm quite happy. Oh, maybe I shouldn't have got black as a color too, scratches and swirl marks everywhere!
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 02:08 PM
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It seems like the 4th gens are generally pretty good, but the 5th gens seem to have a lot more little problems than the 4th.
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 02:19 PM
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Funny- I had the exact oppositte reaction when I bought my first (95 GXE 5 speed). I had huge student loans but always wanted the max b/c of the power plus 4 doors. Bought it for $17000 or so new and after 2 days was saying "what the hell did I do" b/c of my $350/month payment and $50.month jump in insurance. Well after the car broke in, I began to realize what an amazing car it is. I have had to replace the )2 sensor but that's it. Not even the brakes have been changed and I have 100k miles. Now I have 2 or 3 rattles in my dash that seem to enjoy life below freezing. Come summertime my rattles hibernate and its happy driving.
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 02:19 PM
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Why?

- smooth
- quiet
- fast
- perfect reliability
- surprisingly good highway gas mileage
- good experience with previous car (Stanza)
- value (new '99 GXE for $17,269 OUT THE DOOR)
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 02:42 PM
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Re: maybe it's a lemon, but...

Originally posted by Jimbo
I don't think my problems are unique to my car. This is a place for people that really like their Maxs. Not many people would hang around here and complain. Plus, many people are not willing to admit something is wrong with their cars.
Actually, I think it's the other way around. You get a lot more people who complain about paint chips and stuff here than not... People complain when they have problems, no one ever comes here and posts "hey, I just wanted to say that my car is 3 years old and the paint is great."

Just my opinion. My car is 2 years old and has no rattles, no paint problems, and no mechanical problems, it's been great.
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 03:57 PM
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IS IT **** OR NOT?

I knopw what you feel i have a MAXIMA 98 AUTO 34,000....The car has been to the dealer 15 different times...most of them for the AIRBAG....the freakin BOSE Radio (2 times)...the AC Control (4 time)...the DASH pannels makes loose ( 4 times) ..rear speaker (1 time) Timing (1 time).....and now the steering wheel has a funny vib. in it...........i feel your PAIN! ( i think all the 98 have the problems in them esp. SE's)
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 05:05 PM
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none here so far and im at 33k........but im cro$$ing my fingers!!
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 05:10 PM
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My 95 hasn't had hardly any problems... Except of course for rattles...

This is something that happens with most car companies:

They release a new model and put their best work into it... so life is good for most owners... Then they have to really beef up production a few years later to meet demand and that is where the quality really goes down the drain.


I know this sounds bad, but when you pay much less than $30,000 for a car, you can't expect the manufacturer to work out all the little details... As long as they are not mechanical failures...

Rattles, squeaks, vibrations, etc... you are pretty much on your own... Go buy some Dynamat and perform some "Do-It-Yourself" fixes.

But for the same money, I think Camrys are built better and more solid than Nissan -- aside from the fact that both cars are pretty much boats on wheels in stock form. The Toyota has much better raw materials for performance -- i.e. 4 wheel independent suspension and probably has a lot less unsprung weight in the rear -- but as far as extracting all that potential, it just ain't tuned for big performance out of the gate -- gotta do that yourself.


Remember, Nissan has had big profitablity problems for the last decade up until maybe the last few quarters... I would venture a guess they have likely been cutting corners in production just to save a few bucks...


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Old Dec 19, 2000 | 06:00 PM
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Test drove a Camry drove off on a Maxima

Originally posted by chris j vurnis
My 95 hasn't had hardly any problems... Except of course for rattles...

This is something that happens with most car companies:

They release a new model and put their best work into it... so life is good for most owners... Then they have to really beef up production a few years later to meet demand and that is where the quality really goes down the drain.


I know this sounds bad, but when you pay much less than $30,000 for a car, you can't expect the manufacturer to work out all the little details... As long as they are not mechanical failures...

Rattles, squeaks, vibrations, etc... you are pretty much on your own... Go buy some Dynamat and perform some "Do-It-Yourself" fixes.

But for the same money, I think Camrys are built better and more solid than Nissan -- aside from the fact that both cars are pretty much boats on wheels in stock form. The Toyota has much better raw materials for performance -- i.e. 4 wheel independent suspension and probably has a lot less unsprung weight in the rear -- but as far as extracting all that potential, it just ain't tuned for big performance out of the gate -- gotta do that yourself.

Remember, Nissan has had big profitablity problems for the last decade up until maybe the last few quarters... I would venture a guess they have likely been cutting corners in production just to save a few bucks...


cjv
Hey Chris, I agree with you. Quality on some products seems to go down as demand goes up. I guess they have to get every little penny they can.

As for Camrys, they're Toyota tough. I've had 2 Toyo trucks. And I was going to buy a Camry, took one for a spin not very inpresive. But, I was counting on their long life.
On my way to the office to sign the papers I saw a Maxima.
I decided to take the Max out, since I had not driven a 4th gen Max. Well, the Maxima now sits at my doorstep. With 65k, and no problems. As much as I've enjoyed my Max I don't think there will be a second one. My next car will be a German one.

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Old Dec 19, 2000 | 06:32 PM
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Jimbo...

I believe you got a lemon. So did I. I own a 95 Maxima GXE as well as a 97 SE. I love driving the '97 much better, but it has tons of problems. The '95 is completely the opposite. Maintanance at EZ-Lube every 5K miles, no other problems.
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 06:32 PM
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Originally posted by chris j vurnis
My 95 hasn't had hardly any problems... Except of course for rattles...

This is something that happens with most car companies:

They release a new model and put their best work into it... so life is good for most owners... Then they have to really beef up production a few years later to meet demand and that is where the quality really goes down the drain.


I know this sounds bad, but when you pay much less than $30,000 for a car, you can't expect the manufacturer to work out all the little details... As long as they are not mechanical failures...

Rattles, squeaks, vibrations, etc... you are pretty much on your own... Go buy some Dynamat and perform some "Do-It-Yourself" fixes.

But for the same money, I think Camrys are built better and more solid than Nissan -- aside from the fact that both cars are pretty much boats on wheels in stock form. The Toyota has much better raw materials for performance -- i.e. 4 wheel independent suspension and probably has a lot less unsprung weight in the rear -- but as far as extracting all that potential, it just ain't tuned for big performance out of the gate -- gotta do that yourself.


Remember, Nissan has had big profitablity problems for the last decade up until maybe the last few quarters... I would venture a guess they have likely been cutting corners in production just to save a few bucks...


cjv



Hmmm....interesting. I never thought about the fact that quality goes down when demand goes up. The things you learn when you're on this board
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 07:05 PM
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Knock wood, My 97 SE 5spd hasn't seen the dealer sense I drove it off the lot. 75k of mostly spirited miles with just regular maintenance. (3k oil changes, brakes-tires etc) I'd have to agree, it wasn't all I hoped for, too much body roll , too much PS assist. but overall I'm satisfied.

Only real ***** is that the clutch never seems to grab in the same place twice! And the headlights suck-Anybody else?
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 09:08 PM
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The headlights are definitely far too weak. Also, Nissan's slushbox has to be the most weak-willed, made for the elderly transmission ever produced. I've driven plenty of cars with trannys that are far more eager to downshift, much more in character with the engine than the one in the Max. The valve body mod probably fixes this problem... Then again, if I'm complaining about performance, I should have bought the 5-spd in the first place.
Old Dec 19, 2000 | 11:43 PM
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Hey Jimbo! No more mods PLEASE!

How are you doing Jimbo? Great to see you back on the BBS again. Sorry to hear about all your problems with the Maxima. I personally don't recommend you modding your Max anymore. Please save the $$ for another new or used car. That way you can afford to mod the new SWEET ride instead. Drive the car until you see something that you will like to buy instead. You got enough goodies on your car already so NO MORE MODS! BTW drop me an email and we can hang out during your break or something.

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Old Dec 20, 2000 | 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by Weasel
The headlights are definitely far too weak. Also, Nissan's slushbox has to be the most weak-willed, made for the elderly transmission ever produced. I've driven plenty of cars with trannys that are far more eager to downshift, much more in character with the engine than the one in the Max. The valve body mod probably fixes this problem... Then again, if I'm complaining about performance, I should have bought the 5-spd in the first place.
I drove a 98 SE Auto... I thought it shifted great... crisp downshift without hesitation as compared to the TBirds hmm downshift? Ok... lemme ease it down to 3rd gear
Old Dec 20, 2000 | 01:58 AM
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i respectfully disagree

the 95 and 2k (first production years) will tend to have the most recalls, tsbs etc.

Originally posted by chris j vurnis
They release a new model and put their best work into it... so life is good for most owners... Then they have to really beef up production a few years later to meet demand and that is where the quality really goes down the drain.
Old Dec 20, 2000 | 05:49 AM
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no prob

My 95 SE has got 103k on it with no problems at all. Just regular maintenance, Oil changes every 3k & tune ups. She can still get up
Old Dec 20, 2000 | 06:25 AM
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Jimbo, I know the feeling. Although I think I have less problems with my car, I still am tired of dealing with issues: paint sucks soooo bad...my car looks like crap, the engine has this some-days-it-rocks-some-days-its-outta-power characteristic that I am now fully disgusted with (although when the power is there, it's fantastic...just want it to stay like that), the steering feel is so numb, turn-in still isn't all that "athletic" although the car handles fairly well besides that, and now I'm getting some interior rattles, albeit minor. With my transmission destroying itself, I'm now questioning it's reliability.

So yes, I know what you mean. I'm ready for a new vehicle, too.
Old Dec 20, 2000 | 07:27 AM
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I've had mine for 5 years. Rattles, creeks, leaks, starter replaced, accidents, broken into, ketchup stains, other "stains", cracked windshield, scratched right front fender, driver side mirror cracked, door dings, and a divorce...
But I don't ever regret getting the Max... anything can happen at any time no matter what you drive. I love my car and I will always will untill she goes to the junk yard in the sky. She's paid for and she still looks good and can hold her own with just about any mass produced car in america. Now that she is superwoman....er...supercharged
167,000 miles and counting....

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Re: Hey Jimbo! No more mods PLEASE!

Originally posted by Ken
How are you doing Jimbo? Great to see you back on the BBS again. Sorry to hear about all your problems with the Maxima. I personally don't recommend you modding your Max anymore. Please save the $$ for another new or used car. That way you can afford to mod the new SWEET ride instead. Drive the car until you see something that you will like to buy instead. You got enough goodies on your car already so NO MORE MODS! BTW drop me an email and we can hang out during your break or something.

Ken
Ken! So you do still visit this BBS. Have you purchased that nice looking c-class yet I'll send you an e-mail soon.

Yeah, It really isn't the best thing to be moddin my car. A main reason I mod is because I enjoy doing the work myself. I just love to get my hands greasy. It is a hobby I really enjoy. I should definitely stop moddin the Max and buy a $500 Mustsang just to have something to work on. A Mustang will give me plenty of opportunities to get my hand greasy.

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words from my mouth

Originally posted by Keven97SE
Jimbo, I know the feeling. Although I think I have less problems with my car, I still am tired of dealing with issues: paint sucks soooo bad...my car looks like crap, the engine has this some-days-it-rocks-some-days-its-outta-power characteristic that I am now fully disgusted with (although when the power is there, it's fantastic...just want it to stay like that), the steering feel is so numb, turn-in still isn't all that "athletic" although the car handles fairly well besides that, and now I'm getting some interior rattles, albeit minor. With my transmission destroying itself, I'm now questioning it's reliability.

So yes, I know what you mean. I'm ready for a new vehicle, too.
It sounds like we have the same thoughts. Maybe our cars were assembled by the same robot...

the engine has this some-days-it-rocks-some-days-its-outta-power characteristic that I am now fully disgusted with (although when the power is there, it's fantastic...just want it to stay like that)
Yes, what the friggin heck is up with this. I neglected to mention this in my orginal post. This fully disgust me too. I can't figure this one out. I will be running the same tank of gas and atmospheric conditions will be similar, and each day my car's power will not be anywhere near consistant. Heck, It even happens in the same day. One part of the day it has power to rival that of a Supra, and another part of the day it has power that envies that of a Yugo. It is very frustrating. But you are correct, when the power is there it is super. I just wish it would remain constant.
Old Dec 20, 2000 | 09:03 AM
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No I do NOT wonder why I bought it, I know why.

Since I already have a rwd sports car with 5-speed, I was looking for something totally different. I could have bought almost anything I wanted.
I didn't want a BMW or Benz b/c there are so many at my university.
I wanted something low-key(aka sleeper) to kick some *** and not provoc the cops(aka pigs), had potential and was relatively fast in stock form, and realiable.
At first I was looking at trucks(pick-ups and SUVS) and there was no way I was going to pay $30k for a top of the line F-150 or $35k for a RX300/4-Runner, etc.
I got an ok deal for my Max which after the deal was closed an add appeared a week later saying the dealer will match the down payment, so that was $5k right there and I was pissed.
Apart from my Maxima being fwd and automatic with no folding rear seats, I don't have any complaints. Sheit my experience was so go that maybe I'll get another:
https://maxima.org/forums/showthread...threadid=14843
Old Dec 20, 2000 | 10:29 PM
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IF THAT CONFEDERATE HILLBILLY DUKES OF HAZZARD CAR YOUR
DREAM CAR THEN I SUGGEST YOU BUY A '65 CHEVY AND PLACE YOUR
SHOT GUN INSIDE YOUR BACK WINDOW RACK!
WHEN YOU SEE ME DRIVING BY WITH MY MUSIC PLAYED LOUD (ANYTHING BUT COUNTRY)WITH CHROME WHEELS BLINGIN YOU BETTER
DUCK B/C I RIDE W/ A 9mm BY MY SIDE READY TO BLAST
REDNECK, NASCAR RACING HILLBILLY LIKE YOU!

POOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!!
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Originally posted by twankz
IF THAT CONFEDERATE HILLBILLY DUKES OF HAZZARD CAR YOUR
DREAM CAR THEN I SUGGEST YOU BUY A '65 CHEVY AND PLACE YOUR
SHOT GUN INSIDE YOUR BACK WINDOW RACK!
WHEN YOU SEE ME DRIVING BY WITH MY MUSIC PLAYED LOUD (ANYTHING BUT COUNTRY)WITH CHROME WHEELS BLINGIN YOU BETTER
DUCK B/C I RIDE W/ A 9mm BY MY SIDE READY TO BLAST
REDNECK, NASCAR RACING HILLBILLY LIKE YOU!

POOOOOOOWWWWWWWW!!
For reals?? You ride with a gat on your hip ready to pop a cap in somebody's ***?? Word to your mother. Bling Bling! What an idiotic post...

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Old Dec 21, 2000 | 01:39 PM
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I suggest!!

Not to be rude but Jimbo should have bought a Hyundai!! I bought my max 2 months ago and love it. If you don't like the car SELL IT and get a Geo Metro or something.
Merry x-mas
Old Dec 21, 2000 | 04:36 PM
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Re: I suggest!!

Erm...excuse me? Hyundais have definately been improved such as the XG300 or Santa Fe SUV. Maybe Jimbo should have bought a Daewoo...not Hyundai!

Originally posted by Pimpn' Pat
Not to be rude but Jimbo should have bought a Hyundai!! I bought my max 2 months ago and love it. If you don't like the car SELL IT and get a Geo Metro or something.
Merry x-mas
Old Dec 21, 2000 | 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by Jimbo
I have had my '98 Max for 2-1/2 years. Driving home from the dealership after picking it up, I knew I had made a mistake. It is just not the car I thought it would be. I had lusted over Maximas for many years and was so happy to buy one. I guess I was truely caught up in the 4DSC thing. But, after 41k miles of ownership, I don't have many good things to say about it. Well, I have met great friends through Maxima meets, so that's cool. I can't say I completely hate my car, I'm just dissappointed. I wasn't expecting some 10 second, tire screeching monster, I just wanted a nice solid, trouble-free car mainly for communting. But, that isn't what I got. I got a car full of interior rattles that burns oil every 2k miles, has crappy paint, tons of wind noise, awful handling characteristics, power windows that aren't too powerful, constant vibration in the steering wheel, hard to shift into certain gears, and the list could go on . . . And, the real kicker is that when I want a dealership to address these issues, they are totally useless. I have been to three Nissan dealers in my area, and they all suck.

I am not trying to rain on anyone's parade. I guess sometimes I just need to vent some frustrations. I just really want to like this car, but it is not a easy thing to do. Some of the mods I have added seem to help perk my interest in the car. Though this interest seems to wear off quickly. I should probably just stop modding because it just only seems to temporarily mask the fact that I don't really enjoy the Max. People always tell me just to get rid of it, but the resale value of my car is pathetic. I need to hang on to it for a while longer to make my losses a little more acceptable.

Anyway, cheers to all the people who are "enjoying the ride." You all have some nice looking rides. I hope your having better luck with your Maximas
NO! Just wonder why I didn't get one sooner!!!!!!
Old Jan 15, 2001 | 05:41 AM
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Disappointed with MAX

I am very disappointed. I have a 99 maxse with 43000 miles on it. compared to domestics, its not bad, but thats as good as it gets. my max has a lot of rattles and squeaks. My brothers new 2000 accord is built much better..more solidly with a superior suspension, rigidity, and wworkmanship. The 99 has cheap interior paneling, plasticky everything that creaks (tweeters rattle like hell!) and the body is relatively flimsy allowing for cheap feeling road jitters to penetrate the floor(something thats prob been fixed with the more solid 5th gen)and flexing. all probs that the accord doesnt have! The accord is much freer revving,etc. Whats worst is the ridulous beam rear! I thought those things were reserved for midsized cars in the 1980s albeit a few daewoos in the 90s!!maybe im just bitter that i didnt wait for an accord or something but objectively, the maxima aint all that good a car. It isnt even about the value max gives compared to others in its class. It gets slightly better numbers than say accordv6 or camryv6 but accord is much better built,engineered, etc. At first i was excited to mod the car what with strut bars etc, but now im getting a swar bar because i cant stand the body roll anymore!!! Oh well. Guess ill make best of what i have!!!
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