Well guys, I can safely say that my car status has taken an abrupt downshift into 1st gear...kinda like how I did that one time going 30. The option of boost over the camaro has been opened up to me, and It has caused me to do some serious thinking.

1)When does 50% and 100% boost kick in? Should be very low in the RPM range since it is belt driven right?

2)How do these SC's sound? I picked V1's becuase they are loud from what I understand. Does anyone have sound clips or links? I need to quiet down my damn dualies too, especially if I boost - They are getting quite annoying.

3)The V1's put around 80HP/TQ to the flywheel with a stock pulley, right?

Shameless references:

Supercharger
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=165032
Resonation
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....hreadid=165030


Just to cover a few things in advanced: To SprintMax - Yea yea, why am I hear, shoulda left already, blah blah blah. There, now you don't have to post! Senior Jeffrey, Garner, ect., I searched and found very little scattered info on what I am looking for.

Thanks in advanced guys.

 

1. Because of the type of blower it is (roots vs. Centrifugal) it takes time to get the boost up. So it might not be as low as your thinking.

2. Your picking the SC because it is loud? Does it really matter if everyone knows it is there? What about adding in resonators for the dualies?

3. That is about average but can vary from car to car some.

SuDZ

 

if u're all about the noise you won't want the VI it quiets down the engine a lot... go ride in a 5th gen with intake/exhaust

 

1) I realize that, but it still runs directly off the engine's belts, so it should give boost much faster then turbo's. (except harolds franken-turbo)

2)Yes it matters. I am flashy like that...if I have a supercharged maxima, I want people to know it. I am adding resonator(s) to the dualies...I watched a video of my max and realize they sound alot ricier from outside the car than inside! I'm also just sick of the noise after 10 months of it..

 

I'm not talking about the Variable intake....I'm talking superchargers here. ...maybe I don't get what your trying to say, but a V1 supercharger certainly will add an audible whine.

 

I'm not a supercharger guru but from all the posts I've read, you won't get even 80HP/TQ with a stock pulley. 60hp-70hp maybe, but I could be wrong. Also I'm just curious, is money the reason you're not going for the new-age turbos?
-Cyrus

 

I think 70HP/TQ would be a realistic bet. But I know I could get V1's for cheap, and they sound soo beautiful (from what I hear, someone please link me! )

I sent you a PM Cyrus.

 

hlh is running full boost at somewhere around ~3300rpm (give or take a few hundred.) As far as I know (Car won't be roadworthy till monday hehehe, so I won't be able to be 100% sure till then), supercharger won't give you anywhere NEAR full boost at that rpm.

 

Hmmm...very contridictary from what I've heard.

First, don't the V1's kick in faster, while the V2's being higher spooling? Second, Cumalot has told me time after time how he has the hardest time keeping traction off the line and can spin the hell outta his tires...well obviously he cannot launch above 1800rpms so it seems that, at least in his case, the V1 delivers low. I also believe I heard cheston talking about how he hits FULL boost at 3000, and the boost startings coming strong very low in the RPM band.

 

I am not positive on this but im pretty sure you don't get full boost until close to red line with a supercharger, and most turbo's will give you full boost much sooner than that, even nigel hits full boost at like 4000, so unless you are running a huge turbo the turbo should hit full boost faster than the V1 supercharger.
Ryan

 

He's right though. He has no reason to lie, he's S/C himself. BTW I sent ya 2 PMs back.
-Cyrus

 

Well first of all Craig, I do have a smaller pulley, not the stock one. So that make some difference. Boost kicks at about 3k rpms. Also before I would spin like crazy because I still had the crappy stock tires. Now that I got better tires on my stock 15s(Bridgestone RE950s), traction is a bit better. However, I still spin, even from a roll. Highest I can launch at is about 1800 rpms, so you're right. I tried launching at 2000 rpms, but spun pretty bad. Remember though, I have an automatic. I don't know about 5spd and launching.


Craig, why not get the turbo instead? If I had a 5spd, that's what I would get.

 

I see. The the main reason I cannot go for the turbo is price. It would be significantly cheaper to get the V1 over the turbo, the turbo would be pushing the price limits.

Just as an example..say I got the V1 on stock pulley. I am engaged in first gear at 2200 RPMs. About how many HP will I be getting out of the SC? Like 40? My rpms would rise really fast anyways as my car is already quick, so I think I would be hit by the boost before I even knew it.

BTW, ***, Do you have any sound clips? Does your SC sound like the 99+ SVT Lightnings? I sure hope so!

Cyrus, I hit you back with 2 pm's.

 

You called him ***? You are still a muscle-boy at heart, it shows!

And I hit ya back already.
-Cyrus

 

nm too tired tonight should have just went to bed

 

I always call him ***...he knows whats up.

Ya, I will always love Z's, SS's, Cobra's, Lightnings, ect., but I just cannot pass up this deal! I mean, here's my situation:

Get the Z28 and:

1)Pay $108 more a month in insurance
2)Pay $500 for new tires (bald on the car i was lookin at)
3)Be able to have that great V8 throaty sound, be able to take out alot of cars
4) Be able to tell people I have a "z28", and here them go "oh, cool."
5)Sacrifice reliability for modability and tone of the LT1

Or keep the Max, supercharge it and:

1)No increase in insurence
2)Put in $450 for boost
3)Be able to whoop the living CRAP out of stock LT1 Z28's.
4)Be able to tell people I have a Supercharged Maxima, and watch them drool as I pop the hood
5)Keep the Max with the VQ's awesome reliability (even under boost) with the awesome SC whine.

I honestly think I would be a complete idiot to pass up this oppurtunity to boost, don't you?

 

this post is 11/08/2002

he is deciding Z28 or boost?

i thought he already had the z28

 

It was getting inspected at Bill Heard Chevrolet. Before applying for the loan from the bank and sealing the deal, this came up. I just jumped the gun a bit, thinking it was a done deal...little did I know I would be thrown a curve ball (boost).

That is all you need to know sir.

 

Honestly Craig, get the turbo. The SC is good for a limited budget, but a turbo is still a hell of a lot cheaper, and more powerful than a SC, regardless of pulley size with the right boost setting. In addition to that, the turbo reachs full boost at 3000-4000rpm depending on which kit you kit. As I previously stated (was 75% sure then .. am 99% sure now just by the responses it got heh), I said that the SC continuously boosts higher as you hold down the throttle. So, if you hammer it at 0 boost at 3000rpm, you might only get 8psi before you shift, and if you go WOT for the entire gear, you'd have maybe 10psi (again, just random numbers I'm tossing out here, 6psi and 8psi, use whatever you want, ones higher than the other). The fact comes down to it, the turbo will spool faster, produce more power, and since I've read tons and tons of your posts, I honestly think you'd enjoy it more. The BOV is a lot louder and more "oooo **** what the **** is that?" on a turbo.

Although you COULD always go with the "hey dude yer belt is slipping" v1 sound

 

Is someone selling you a V-1 Stillen Supercharger Kit for $450? Either you really found a crack head or your a little confused (like me).

 

No, I'm getting financial help.

Ereet, while the turbo may be more efficient and deliver more power, it's still too much $$. At the cheapest it's $1100 more then what the average used V1 usually goes for. The V1 also delivers a smoother continuous stream of boost, but I understand the downsides of that like you mentioned. I also don't wanna get rid of my fog lights or mesh valances

Your getting a V2, right? Those are really quiet right? Also, from Nigel's and Harold's video's that i've watched, their turbo's are very quiet. In my friends Lightning it's very loud and whiney, and I personally love it, and that's what I understand the V1 to sound like. Confused, Cumalittle, any input on this?

 

Mines a V1 .. I thought my friends lightning was pretty quiet in comparison to the V1's I've heard previously. And I hear the cashbag thing. I just figured if you had enough money for a Z28 camaro, you'd have enough money for a $1100 increase in turbo upgrade. My bad. On that note then, good luck, they pop up every month or so, maybe I'll blow my engine and mine will be up there next month

 

The V1 SC that I have is very loud. You'll definitely can hear it if you next to me at a light or anywhere near me. I heard there were two different V1, one that was louder than the other. Anyway, mine is very loud. I don't have a sound clip though. I believe IanS made a soundclip of his V1, mine sounds just like his, very loud. That's the reason why I got the V1, I love the sound! I haven't heard a Lightning up close so I don't know how to compare. I knew that combined with an auto tranny, the power of the SC is good, but not exactly going to blow your mind, so might as well get something that sounds good. Whether you get the V1 or V2, even with a stock pulley combined with a 5spd tranny, the power will be more pretty good. I suggest you go with a smaller pulley from the getgo because sooner or later, I guarantee you WILL want to go down to a smaller pulley. I don't know how you'll going to get a V1 though. First, of course it's no longer made and second people that had the V1 already sold theirs to people like me and IanS for example.

 

why do I have a feeling in the near future I will be seeing posts such as even with the sc my car still doesnt sound like a v-8 etc

 

the V1 S/C will NOT sound like the eaton blower that is on lightnings and GTPs....because it's a completely different type of blower.

A centrifugal blower is basically a turbocharger that gets it's power from the belt instead of the exhuast. It's actually the most INEFFICIENT type of "boost" you can get....it shares both the disadvantages of a turbo (slow spool up) and eaton S/C (parasitic).

 

Wouldn't you have to upgrade to full 3" exhaust far a S/C? Is the same true for turbo?

 

You hit boost at 3K and keeps on going up. I hit full boost before redline and yes its a supercharger.

 

You wouldn't have to, 2.5" would do, but a 3" will give ya more power of course.

Maximaracer28 :laugh :laugh
-Cyrus

 

Picture a whole bunch of crickets under your hood when your idling. THe older v-1's tend to be a little louder than the later ones. Delio had the LOUDEST v-1 I ever heard but vortech has that one now.

Herer are some examples:

I pulled in to tech inspection at the track. Tech raises his eyebrow and says "Supercharged, huh"

I pull into a parking lot and there was a bunch of people there and I heard, WTF is wrong with your car.

So, there is definitely a distinct noise under your hood. So what is the offer a v-1 owner can't refuse? <cough> <cough>

 

i heard the sound clip of ians v1. that was beyond loud. and it did not sound like a lighting.


jay25's v-2 sounded sweet the first time i heard it. i could still hear it outside the car but not insanely loud like ians v-1.


+1

 

The Vortech website still offers the V1 model.

 

Craig-I PM'ed you. I can hook you up wiht some vids!