My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
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My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
Originally, when I bought my Maxima I enjoyed it but after putting some miles on the car I am more annoyed by the thing everyday.
First of all there are two major options I did not get on my car that would have made a world of difference, the HLSD and traction control. The car just constantly spins its wheels on barely damp pavement. The car is horrible in the rain. I cannot wait for winter, the car has horrible traction!!! But it is my fault for not doing more research on the vehicle, although all those items should have been standard on a 26k + car.
Without these options the overseer is also so severe that at full throttle even over 35 mph the steering wheel is half cocked. If you are buying a Maxima make sure you get those options.
Then there are the seats, which belong in an old person’s Grand Marquis. They have no support for supposedly a sports sedan.
The stereo although not Bose, is bad at all levels and do not even think about cranking it up.
The solid beam rear axle, what the $*%# even 15k cars have independent rear axles. This is such a poor excuse for a rear end.
My final gripe: Have you seen the resale values on the 2002 SE? There are dealers selling them around me for $19,000 for ones with less than 20k miles. We can thank Nissan for dumping them into Hertz rental fleets and thereby flooding the market with used SEs.
The Nissan Maxima is a technologically out of date machine (except for the engine). It has technology equal to that of the mid-90s. The car should have totally been revamped at least 3 years ago. If the resale value were better I would have dumped the car by now.
Signed,
-Disappointed Owner
First of all there are two major options I did not get on my car that would have made a world of difference, the HLSD and traction control. The car just constantly spins its wheels on barely damp pavement. The car is horrible in the rain. I cannot wait for winter, the car has horrible traction!!! But it is my fault for not doing more research on the vehicle, although all those items should have been standard on a 26k + car.
Without these options the overseer is also so severe that at full throttle even over 35 mph the steering wheel is half cocked. If you are buying a Maxima make sure you get those options.
Then there are the seats, which belong in an old person’s Grand Marquis. They have no support for supposedly a sports sedan.
The stereo although not Bose, is bad at all levels and do not even think about cranking it up.
The solid beam rear axle, what the $*%# even 15k cars have independent rear axles. This is such a poor excuse for a rear end.
My final gripe: Have you seen the resale values on the 2002 SE? There are dealers selling them around me for $19,000 for ones with less than 20k miles. We can thank Nissan for dumping them into Hertz rental fleets and thereby flooding the market with used SEs.
The Nissan Maxima is a technologically out of date machine (except for the engine). It has technology equal to that of the mid-90s. The car should have totally been revamped at least 3 years ago. If the resale value were better I would have dumped the car by now.
Signed,
-Disappointed Owner
Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
Originally posted by stev8028
The car just constantly spins its wheels on barely damp pavement.
The stereo although not Bose, is bad at all levels and do not even think about cranking it up.
Signed,
-Disappointed Owner
The car just constantly spins its wheels on barely damp pavement.
The stereo although not Bose, is bad at all levels and do not even think about cranking it up.
Signed,
-Disappointed Owner
1. Potenzas are garbage. It's the tires, not the traction control.
2. All stock stereos suck. It's a fact of life.
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First of all, there is no HLSD option on the Auto. 2nd, if you want better wet weather traction, buy some descent winter or all-season tires. We all know the stock Potenza's are craap. Unless you drive in snow regularly, the traction control isn't necessary. 3rd, the multi-link beam axle isn't as $hitty as you're crying about. Add an Addco or Stillen RSB and you won't complain when you're blowing by "independent suspension" Camrys and Accords on the twisties. 4th, the resale value on any new car that's about to be replaced with a new model is going to be low. Just be happy that you got the best fwd sport sedan for less than $30K on the market today.
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While the HLSD and traction control would make things better, a great deal of the problem you are having with traction is due to the crappy Bridgestones that come on the car. I just replaced my Bridgestones with a set of Michelin Pilot Sport AS's on my 2K1 SE and the difference is like night and day. Wet traction is amazing. Get a set of the Michelins and see if your opinion doesn't change.
As for the rest, other than the seats (which I have no real beef about...I wasn't expecting Recaros, afterall) I more-or-less agree with you. I've especially felt for a long time that the solid beam rear-end was a gross anachronism in a modern performance-oriented car.
As for the rest, other than the seats (which I have no real beef about...I wasn't expecting Recaros, afterall) I more-or-less agree with you. I've especially felt for a long time that the solid beam rear-end was a gross anachronism in a modern performance-oriented car.
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Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
Originally posted by stev8028
Originally, when I bought my Maxima I enjoyed it but after putting some miles on the car I am more annoyed by the thing everyday.
Originally, when I bought my Maxima I enjoyed it but after putting some miles on the car I am more annoyed by the thing everyday.
*** Some of the new is wearing off. Happens w/ women and cars.
First of all there are two major options I did not get on my car that would have made a world of difference, the HLSD and traction control. The car just constantly spins its wheels on barely damp pavement. The car is horrible in the rain. I cannot wait for winter, the car has horrible traction!!! But it is my fault for not doing more research on the vehicle, although all those items should have been standard on a 26k + car.
Without these options the overseer is also so severe that at full throttle even over 35 mph the steering wheel is half cocked. If you are buying a Maxima make sure you get those options.
Then there are the seats, which belong in an old person’s Grand Marquis. They have no support for supposedly a sports sedan.
The stereo although not Bose, is bad at all levels and do not even think about cranking it up.
The solid beam rear axle, what the $*%# even 15k cars have independent rear axles. This is such a poor excuse for a rear end.
My final gripe: Have you seen the resale values on the 2002 SE? There are dealers selling them around me for $19,000 for ones with less than 20k miles. We can thank Nissan for dumping them into Hertz rental fleets and thereby flooding the market with used SEs.
The Nissan Maxima is a technologically out of date machine (except for the engine). It has technology equal to that of the mid-90s. The car should have totally been revamped at least 3 years ago. If the resale value were better I would have dumped the car by now.
Signed,
-Disappointed Owner [/QUOTE]
*** Btw, we all have gripes about our cars. But, most of us realize, (after doing some research, hint,hint) that this is the best car on the market for us. That is unless we want to pony up 50k + for a new car.
If you're that unhappy, sell it. Resale might suck, but it's not going to be worth any more tomorrow.
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Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
Originally posted by stev8028
Originally, when I bought my Maxima I enjoyed it but after putting some miles on the car I am more annoyed by the thing everyday.
First of all there are two major options I did not get on my car that would have made a world of difference, the HLSD and traction control. The car just constantly spins its wheels on barely damp pavement. The car is horrible in the rain. I cannot wait for winter, the car has horrible traction!!! But it is my fault for not doing more research on the vehicle, although all those items should have been standard on a 26k + car.
Without these options the overseer is also so severe that at full throttle even over 35 mph the steering wheel is half cocked. If you are buying a Maxima make sure you get those options.
Then there are the seats, which belong in an old person’s Grand Marquis. They have no support for supposedly a sports sedan.
The stereo although not Bose, is bad at all levels and do not even think about cranking it up.
The solid beam rear axle, what the $*%# even 15k cars have independent rear axles. This is such a poor excuse for a rear end.
My final gripe: Have you seen the resale values on the 2002 SE? There are dealers selling them around me for $19,000 for ones with less than 20k miles. We can thank Nissan for dumping them into Hertz rental fleets and thereby flooding the market with used SEs.
The Nissan Maxima is a technologically out of date machine (except for the engine). It has technology equal to that of the mid-90s. The car should have totally been revamped at least 3 years ago. If the resale value were better I would have dumped the car by now.
Signed,
-Disappointed Owner
Originally, when I bought my Maxima I enjoyed it but after putting some miles on the car I am more annoyed by the thing everyday.
First of all there are two major options I did not get on my car that would have made a world of difference, the HLSD and traction control. The car just constantly spins its wheels on barely damp pavement. The car is horrible in the rain. I cannot wait for winter, the car has horrible traction!!! But it is my fault for not doing more research on the vehicle, although all those items should have been standard on a 26k + car.
Without these options the overseer is also so severe that at full throttle even over 35 mph the steering wheel is half cocked. If you are buying a Maxima make sure you get those options.
Then there are the seats, which belong in an old person’s Grand Marquis. They have no support for supposedly a sports sedan.
The stereo although not Bose, is bad at all levels and do not even think about cranking it up.
The solid beam rear axle, what the $*%# even 15k cars have independent rear axles. This is such a poor excuse for a rear end.
My final gripe: Have you seen the resale values on the 2002 SE? There are dealers selling them around me for $19,000 for ones with less than 20k miles. We can thank Nissan for dumping them into Hertz rental fleets and thereby flooding the market with used SEs.
The Nissan Maxima is a technologically out of date machine (except for the engine). It has technology equal to that of the mid-90s. The car should have totally been revamped at least 3 years ago. If the resale value were better I would have dumped the car by now.
Signed,
-Disappointed Owner
i agree with many of the things that you say, but weigh them against some of the good points of the car. i know it's easy to forget those since problems are on the foreground of impression.
what other 26K car comes with standard xenons? what other 26K car has 255 of NA hp? how about all of thise with the refinement that is on par with a 26K car (i'm comparing it to the WRX - another fast car, but not one you'd want to sit in for a long time).
there are a lot of quality/design issues, but at 26K, it's about tradeoffs...i don't think you can have your cake and eat it too until you hit 50K or so.
As for the seating, try sitting in the 4th gen seats and see how you like those. I've owned a '99 and the seats weren't any better. The newer seats may not be perfect but they are a much better improvement over the older ones. As for tires, buy a set of new ones. You're lucky you dont have Eagle RSA's that my '99 came with. Those were even worse than the Potenza's.
As for build quality, I think Nissan could have improved on that. As for the stereo, I agree with you that it sucks and should be better for the type of car it is.
As for build quality, I think Nissan could have improved on that. As for the stereo, I agree with you that it sucks and should be better for the type of car it is.
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Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
Howdy!
On some of the issues mentioned, I think...
Traction Problems:
The general opinion from the folks here is that the stock tires that Nissan puts on the Maxima are horrible. The Bridgestone Potenza RE92 don't seem to get too many good reviews. Just go to Tirerack.com and check the reviews on them. My stock tires were Toyo Proxes which weren't any better. These things spun and squealed all the time.
Rear Beam Axle, Seats, & Stereo:
Keep in mind that although the TV commercials push the Maxima as a sports sedan, it sells to people age 40 and up. (Did you know the average age of Honda Accord is 50?!?) To these kinds of buyers, the existing performance of the suspension, the big seats, and stereo are good or good enough. The extra power of the engine is an added reason for these buyers to look at the car.
Resale Value:
Lots of things affect this, but face it, Nissan has nowhere near the reputation for quality and dependability as Honda or Toyota. And they have the products and service that back up that reputation. Nissan of the old days might have been known for better things, but their recent dive into near-bankruptcy probably didn't help them. I don't know about you, but when I think of companies in and coming out of bankruptcy, I think about companies cutting corners and doing anything to get back in the black which would make their products worth less in my eyes. Of course, I hope Nissan is better than that.
As enthusiasts, we want more from the Maxima, which is fine. But don't forget who the core buyers of the car are, and that's why there isn't a flood of aftermarket support for it. It's hard for these companies to justify spending R&D money and then commit even more money on production for relatively low return. Smaller import cars have more aftermarket support because the original cars sell through more easily due to their lower price points. The more cars that are out there, the more an 3rd-party manufacturer is willing to sign off on a project/check.
For tires, when the treads of my Proxes wore away enough, I finally replaced them with Bridgestone Potenza RE950s, and they have been very good. I think the seats are comfy as I don't need sport seats to lock me into place. I'm fine with the stock stereo because I can't justify spending huge amounts of money for music in a place (meaning the cabin of the car) where I don't spend most of my time in. As for the suspension, I've added a FTSB and will eventually get an RSB to improve things all around. If I ever get around to putting 17" wheels higher up on my list of life's priorities, then maybe I'll get those too.
If one wants a true sports sedan, then start saving those pennies for something WAY over $30,000. For me, I love the Maxima because of it's overall performance to price ratio value. I accept the Maxima for what it is, and I know what it's not. I knew that before buying the car, and have been happy with it ever since.
Peace.
On some of the issues mentioned, I think...
Traction Problems:
The general opinion from the folks here is that the stock tires that Nissan puts on the Maxima are horrible. The Bridgestone Potenza RE92 don't seem to get too many good reviews. Just go to Tirerack.com and check the reviews on them. My stock tires were Toyo Proxes which weren't any better. These things spun and squealed all the time.
Rear Beam Axle, Seats, & Stereo:
Keep in mind that although the TV commercials push the Maxima as a sports sedan, it sells to people age 40 and up. (Did you know the average age of Honda Accord is 50?!?) To these kinds of buyers, the existing performance of the suspension, the big seats, and stereo are good or good enough. The extra power of the engine is an added reason for these buyers to look at the car.
Resale Value:
Lots of things affect this, but face it, Nissan has nowhere near the reputation for quality and dependability as Honda or Toyota. And they have the products and service that back up that reputation. Nissan of the old days might have been known for better things, but their recent dive into near-bankruptcy probably didn't help them. I don't know about you, but when I think of companies in and coming out of bankruptcy, I think about companies cutting corners and doing anything to get back in the black which would make their products worth less in my eyes. Of course, I hope Nissan is better than that.
As enthusiasts, we want more from the Maxima, which is fine. But don't forget who the core buyers of the car are, and that's why there isn't a flood of aftermarket support for it. It's hard for these companies to justify spending R&D money and then commit even more money on production for relatively low return. Smaller import cars have more aftermarket support because the original cars sell through more easily due to their lower price points. The more cars that are out there, the more an 3rd-party manufacturer is willing to sign off on a project/check.
For tires, when the treads of my Proxes wore away enough, I finally replaced them with Bridgestone Potenza RE950s, and they have been very good. I think the seats are comfy as I don't need sport seats to lock me into place. I'm fine with the stock stereo because I can't justify spending huge amounts of money for music in a place (meaning the cabin of the car) where I don't spend most of my time in. As for the suspension, I've added a FTSB and will eventually get an RSB to improve things all around. If I ever get around to putting 17" wheels higher up on my list of life's priorities, then maybe I'll get those too.
If one wants a true sports sedan, then start saving those pennies for something WAY over $30,000. For me, I love the Maxima because of it's overall performance to price ratio value. I accept the Maxima for what it is, and I know what it's not. I knew that before buying the car, and have been happy with it ever since.
Peace.
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Re: Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
Originally posted by KennyLau
Howdy!
On some of the issues mentioned, I think...
Traction Problems:
The general opinion from the folks here is that the stock tires that Nissan puts on the Maxima are horrible. The Bridgestone Potenza RE92 don't seem to get too many good reviews. Just go to Tirerack.com and check the reviews on them. My stock tires were Toyo Proxes which weren't any better. These things spun and squealed all the time.
Rear Beam Axle, Seats, & Stereo:
Keep in mind that although the TV commercials push the Maxima as a sports sedan, it sells to people age 40 and up. (Did you know the average age of Honda Accord is 50?!?) To these kinds of buyers, the existing performance of the suspension, the big seats, and stereo are good or good enough. The extra power of the engine is an added reason for these buyers to look at the car.
Resale Value:
Lots of things affect this, but face it, Nissan has nowhere near the reputation for quality and dependability as Honda or Toyota. And they have the products and service that back up that reputation. Nissan of the old days might have been known for better things, but their recent dive into near-bankruptcy probably didn't help them. I don't know about you, but when I think of companies in and coming out of bankruptcy, I think about companies cutting corners and doing anything to get back in the black which would make their products worth less in my eyes. Of course, I hope Nissan is better than that.
As enthusiasts, we want more from the Maxima, which is fine. But don't forget who the core buyers of the car are, and that's why there isn't a flood of aftermarket support for it. It's hard for these companies to justify spending R&D money and then commit even more money on production for relatively low return. Smaller import cars have more aftermarket support because the original cars sell through more easily due to their lower price points. The more cars that are out there, the more an 3rd-party manufacturer is willing to sign off on a project/check.
For tires, when the treads of my Proxes wore away enough, I finally replaced them with Bridgestone Potenza RE950s, and they have been very good. I think the seats are comfy as I don't need sport seats to lock me into place. I'm fine with the stock stereo because I can't justify spending huge amounts of money for music in a place (meaning the cabin of the car) where I don't spend most of my time in. As for the suspension, I've added a FTSB and will eventually get an RSB to improve things all around. If I ever get around to putting 17" wheels higher up on my list of life's priorities, then maybe I'll get those too.
If one wants a true sports sedan, then start saving those pennies for something WAY over $30,000. For me, I love the Maxima because of it's overall performance to price ratio value. I accept the Maxima for what it is, and I know what it's not. I knew that before buying the car, and have been happy with it ever since.
Peace.
Howdy!
On some of the issues mentioned, I think...
Traction Problems:
The general opinion from the folks here is that the stock tires that Nissan puts on the Maxima are horrible. The Bridgestone Potenza RE92 don't seem to get too many good reviews. Just go to Tirerack.com and check the reviews on them. My stock tires were Toyo Proxes which weren't any better. These things spun and squealed all the time.
Rear Beam Axle, Seats, & Stereo:
Keep in mind that although the TV commercials push the Maxima as a sports sedan, it sells to people age 40 and up. (Did you know the average age of Honda Accord is 50?!?) To these kinds of buyers, the existing performance of the suspension, the big seats, and stereo are good or good enough. The extra power of the engine is an added reason for these buyers to look at the car.
Resale Value:
Lots of things affect this, but face it, Nissan has nowhere near the reputation for quality and dependability as Honda or Toyota. And they have the products and service that back up that reputation. Nissan of the old days might have been known for better things, but their recent dive into near-bankruptcy probably didn't help them. I don't know about you, but when I think of companies in and coming out of bankruptcy, I think about companies cutting corners and doing anything to get back in the black which would make their products worth less in my eyes. Of course, I hope Nissan is better than that.
As enthusiasts, we want more from the Maxima, which is fine. But don't forget who the core buyers of the car are, and that's why there isn't a flood of aftermarket support for it. It's hard for these companies to justify spending R&D money and then commit even more money on production for relatively low return. Smaller import cars have more aftermarket support because the original cars sell through more easily due to their lower price points. The more cars that are out there, the more an 3rd-party manufacturer is willing to sign off on a project/check.
For tires, when the treads of my Proxes wore away enough, I finally replaced them with Bridgestone Potenza RE950s, and they have been very good. I think the seats are comfy as I don't need sport seats to lock me into place. I'm fine with the stock stereo because I can't justify spending huge amounts of money for music in a place (meaning the cabin of the car) where I don't spend most of my time in. As for the suspension, I've added a FTSB and will eventually get an RSB to improve things all around. If I ever get around to putting 17" wheels higher up on my list of life's priorities, then maybe I'll get those too.
If one wants a true sports sedan, then start saving those pennies for something WAY over $30,000. For me, I love the Maxima because of it's overall performance to price ratio value. I accept the Maxima for what it is, and I know what it's not. I knew that before buying the car, and have been happy with it ever since.
Peace.
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Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
Originally posted by stev8028
Originally, when I bought my Maxima I enjoyed it but after putting some miles on the car I am more annoyed by the thing everyday.
First of all there are two major options I did not get on my car that would have made a world of difference, the HLSD and traction control. The car just constantly spins its wheels on barely damp pavement. The car is horrible in the rain. I cannot wait for winter, the car has horrible traction!!! But it is my fault for not doing more research on the vehicle, although all those items should have been standard on a 26k + car.
Without these options the overseer is also so severe that at full throttle even over 35 mph the steering wheel is half cocked. If you are buying a Maxima make sure you get those options.
Then there are the seats, which belong in an old person’s Grand Marquis. They have no support for supposedly a sports sedan.
The stereo although not Bose, is bad at all levels and do not even think about cranking it up.
The solid beam rear axle, what the $*%# even 15k cars have independent rear axles. This is such a poor excuse for a rear end.
My final gripe: Have you seen the resale values on the 2002 SE? There are dealers selling them around me for $19,000 for ones with less than 20k miles. We can thank Nissan for dumping them into Hertz rental fleets and thereby flooding the market with used SEs.
The Nissan Maxima is a technologically out of date machine (except for the engine). It has technology equal to that of the mid-90s. The car should have totally been revamped at least 3 years ago. If the resale value were better I would have dumped the car by now.
Signed,
-Disappointed Owner
Originally, when I bought my Maxima I enjoyed it but after putting some miles on the car I am more annoyed by the thing everyday.
First of all there are two major options I did not get on my car that would have made a world of difference, the HLSD and traction control. The car just constantly spins its wheels on barely damp pavement. The car is horrible in the rain. I cannot wait for winter, the car has horrible traction!!! But it is my fault for not doing more research on the vehicle, although all those items should have been standard on a 26k + car.
Without these options the overseer is also so severe that at full throttle even over 35 mph the steering wheel is half cocked. If you are buying a Maxima make sure you get those options.
Then there are the seats, which belong in an old person’s Grand Marquis. They have no support for supposedly a sports sedan.
The stereo although not Bose, is bad at all levels and do not even think about cranking it up.
The solid beam rear axle, what the $*%# even 15k cars have independent rear axles. This is such a poor excuse for a rear end.
My final gripe: Have you seen the resale values on the 2002 SE? There are dealers selling them around me for $19,000 for ones with less than 20k miles. We can thank Nissan for dumping them into Hertz rental fleets and thereby flooding the market with used SEs.
The Nissan Maxima is a technologically out of date machine (except for the engine). It has technology equal to that of the mid-90s. The car should have totally been revamped at least 3 years ago. If the resale value were better I would have dumped the car by now.
Signed,
-Disappointed Owner
When i first started hanging around the org, i really liked how everyone seemed enthusiastic about the MAX....it is a Maxima site after all, but lately IM getting sick and tired reading how a lot of people are griping about what a pos the max is. I mean dont get me wrong...i know things are going to come up that peole are unhappy about i realize this, but to read posts like this guys is a joke. I agree with the above posts.........I enjoy the MAXIMA for what it is.......for 26-27K its a hell of ride...cant expect a BMW M5 for half the cost.
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Originally posted by 2K2MAXSE-RIOUS
First of all, there is no HLSD option on the Auto. 2nd, if you want better wet weather traction, buy some descent winter or all-season tires. We all know the stock Potenza's are craap. Unless you drive in snow regularly, the traction control isn't necessary. 3rd, the multi-link beam axle isn't as $hitty as you're crying about. Add an Addco or Stillen RSB and you won't complain when you're blowing by "independent suspension" Camrys and Accords on the twisties. 4th, the resale value on any new car that's about to be replaced with a new model is going to be low. Just be happy that you got the best fwd sport sedan for less than $30K on the market today.
First of all, there is no HLSD option on the Auto. 2nd, if you want better wet weather traction, buy some descent winter or all-season tires. We all know the stock Potenza's are craap. Unless you drive in snow regularly, the traction control isn't necessary. 3rd, the multi-link beam axle isn't as $hitty as you're crying about. Add an Addco or Stillen RSB and you won't complain when you're blowing by "independent suspension" Camrys and Accords on the twisties. 4th, the resale value on any new car that's about to be replaced with a new model is going to be low. Just be happy that you got the best fwd sport sedan for less than $30K on the market today.
Maybe the Camry, but defintely not the accord even with a STB or RSB. You need alot more suspension work to compete with a IRS car.
Re: Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
Originally posted by JAKE02
When i first started hanging around the org, i really liked how everyone seemed enthusiastic about the MAX....it is a Maxima site after all, but lately IM getting sick and tired reading how a lot of people are griping about what a pos the max is. I mean dont get me wrong...i know things are going to come up that peole are unhappy about i realize this, but to read posts like this guys is a joke. I agree with the above posts.........I enjoy the MAXIMA for what it is.......for 26-27K its a hell of ride...cant expect a BMW M5 for half the cost.
When i first started hanging around the org, i really liked how everyone seemed enthusiastic about the MAX....it is a Maxima site after all, but lately IM getting sick and tired reading how a lot of people are griping about what a pos the max is. I mean dont get me wrong...i know things are going to come up that peole are unhappy about i realize this, but to read posts like this guys is a joke. I agree with the above posts.........I enjoy the MAXIMA for what it is.......for 26-27K its a hell of ride...cant expect a BMW M5 for half the cost.
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Re: Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
Originally posted by JAKE02
When i first started hanging around the org, i really liked how everyone seemed enthusiastic about the MAX....it is a Maxima site after all, but lately IM getting sick and tired reading how a lot of people are griping about what a pos the max is. I mean dont get me wrong...i know things are going to come up that peole are unhappy about i realize this, but to read posts like this guys is a joke. I agree with the above posts.........I enjoy the MAXIMA for what it is.......for 26-27K its a hell of ride...cant expect a BMW M5 for half the cost.
When i first started hanging around the org, i really liked how everyone seemed enthusiastic about the MAX....it is a Maxima site after all, but lately IM getting sick and tired reading how a lot of people are griping about what a pos the max is. I mean dont get me wrong...i know things are going to come up that peole are unhappy about i realize this, but to read posts like this guys is a joke. I agree with the above posts.........I enjoy the MAXIMA for what it is.......for 26-27K its a hell of ride...cant expect a BMW M5 for half the cost.
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I agree on the issues with the RE92's. There is no way these crappy tires should have been put on a Max. What's done, is done. Wear the things out and replace them.
When I bought my '02, the only problems I had with the vehicle was with the springy ride and the excessive torque steer. RSB, springs and FSTB took care of most of the issues I had with it. Torque steer has been taken care of and 85% of the handling problems was resolved. Updated struts/shocks will take care of the rest ( damn KYB, release the AGX's for the '02's!!! ).
The Max was never intended to be in a competitive market with something like an M5. With less than $1k of suspension upgrades, you will have a far superior vehicle in the "twisties" to a stock version, but it still will not rival that of a car that is over twice as expensive and designed to be competative in nature. You get what you pay for and the Max is definately a great "bang for the buck" 4-door sedan!!!
When I bought my '02, the only problems I had with the vehicle was with the springy ride and the excessive torque steer. RSB, springs and FSTB took care of most of the issues I had with it. Torque steer has been taken care of and 85% of the handling problems was resolved. Updated struts/shocks will take care of the rest ( damn KYB, release the AGX's for the '02's!!! ).
The Max was never intended to be in a competitive market with something like an M5. With less than $1k of suspension upgrades, you will have a far superior vehicle in the "twisties" to a stock version, but it still will not rival that of a car that is over twice as expensive and designed to be competative in nature. You get what you pay for and the Max is definately a great "bang for the buck" 4-door sedan!!!
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
Blowing by accords and camrys in the twisties? lol...
Maybe the Camry, but defintely not the accord even with a STB or RSB. You need alot more suspension work to compete with a IRS car.
Blowing by accords and camrys in the twisties? lol...
Maybe the Camry, but defintely not the accord even with a STB or RSB. You need alot more suspension work to compete with a IRS car.
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That Explains Alot!
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
Blowing by accords and camrys in the twisties? lol...
Maybe the Camry, but defintely not the accord even with a STB or RSB. You need alot more suspension work to compete with a IRS car.
Blowing by accords and camrys in the twisties? lol...
Maybe the Camry, but defintely not the accord even with a STB or RSB. You need alot more suspension work to compete with a IRS car.
I was not aware that I could not compete with an IRS car. I guess SOHC cars cannot compete with DOHC cars either?
This probably explains why I have been owned by every new Ford Explorer I have tried to challenge in the twistees.
Re: Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
Originally posted by asu174
I agree with you on everything but.......
1. Potenzas are garbage. It's the tires, not the traction control.
2. All stock stereos suck. It's a fact of life.
I agree with you on everything but.......
1. Potenzas are garbage. It's the tires, not the traction control.
2. All stock stereos suck. It's a fact of life.
but i absolutely agree with the rear suspension and the seats...what the hell was Nissan thinking?
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Re: That Explains Alot!
Dream on if you think the Maxima will hang with a Accord.
The Altima has a chance, defintely but not the boat like handling of the Maxima.
The Altima has a chance, defintely but not the boat like handling of the Maxima.
Originally posted by SEturner
Oh,
I was not aware that I could not compete with an IRS car. I guess SOHC cars cannot compete with DOHC cars either?
This probably explains why I have been owned by every new Ford Explorer I have tried to challenge in the twistees.
Oh,
I was not aware that I could not compete with an IRS car. I guess SOHC cars cannot compete with DOHC cars either?
This probably explains why I have been owned by every new Ford Explorer I have tried to challenge in the twistees.
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My previous car was 1999 Accord EX V6L 4dr and I previously had 1995 Prelude VTEC, 1997 Civic LX 4dr, 1994 Integra LS, 1990 Civic Si, and 1983 Civic S. Previously also, my wife had 1998 Accord LX 4cyl. 4dr.
Point is, I have always been a Honda guy but my 2k2 Max SE handles better than my 99 Accord did. Look at the mag numbers too, roadholding and braking hands down to Maxima.
Point is, I have always been a Honda guy but my 2k2 Max SE handles better than my 99 Accord did. Look at the mag numbers too, roadholding and braking hands down to Maxima.
Re: Re: That Explains Alot!
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
Dream on if you think the Maxima will hang with a Accord.
The Altima has a chance, defintely but not the boat like handling of the Maxima.
Dream on if you think the Maxima will hang with a Accord.
The Altima has a chance, defintely but not the boat like handling of the Maxima.
btw...it was the Accord that spun off the track in Buttonwillow, not me
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Re: Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
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*** First, next time you by a car, sit in it. Second, take a look around you. Look at the average automatic Max owner. Now ask yourself if you're shocked if the seats are made for old people.
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Re: Re: That Explains Alot!
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
Dream on if you think the Maxima will hang with a Accord.
The Altima has a chance, defintely but not the boat like handling of the Maxima.
Dream on if you think the Maxima will hang with a Accord.
The Altima has a chance, defintely but not the boat like handling of the Maxima.
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Re: Re: Re: That Explains Alot!
Originally posted by SkylineGTR
Maxima and Altima put out very similar road holding and slalom speeds, along with the Accord V6, so whatever your smoking, pass it here.
Maxima and Altima put out very similar road holding and slalom speeds, along with the Accord V6, so whatever your smoking, pass it here.
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Points of order folks...
To everyone quoting BMW M5's as being twice as much as a Maxima...news for ya, M5's START at $71,000+ and cost over $75,000 loaded. I paid $22,500 for my '02 Maxima. That is 1/3 the price. Heck, the illustrious M3 costs around $53,000!!
And if that ain't enough for ya, check out:
http://www.bmwlemon.com/ or
http://www.mfailure.com/ or http://yoy.com/auto/m3_failure_index.html
Everyone must know that you get what you pay for. Even at $46,000 a corvette has ALL kinds of problems!
If it would make you feel better post your car at:
http://www.yourcarsucks.com/
For whatever it is worth, the quality build on my Max is MUCH MUCH better than on my Chevy.
Facts remain, no car is perfect...far from it. But they are fun, and does anyone else know a better car for under $30,000? or for that matter, under $40,000????
Just some thoughts,
Drive safe - or at least safe enough!
And if that ain't enough for ya, check out:
http://www.bmwlemon.com/ or
http://www.mfailure.com/ or http://yoy.com/auto/m3_failure_index.html
Everyone must know that you get what you pay for. Even at $46,000 a corvette has ALL kinds of problems!
If it would make you feel better post your car at:
http://www.yourcarsucks.com/
For whatever it is worth, the quality build on my Max is MUCH MUCH better than on my Chevy.
Facts remain, no car is perfect...far from it. But they are fun, and does anyone else know a better car for under $30,000? or for that matter, under $40,000????
Just some thoughts,
Drive safe - or at least safe enough!
Re: Re: Re: Re: That Explains Alot!
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
You put the same tires on each of the cars and go at it on a road course, the Accord will prevail. On a completely flat road course, the Max will defintely handle good, but once you put bumps, and humps in teh road, the ACcord will prevail. The Maxima will loose its *** once it hits a bump in a hard turn gurranteed. Done it many times on road courses and had to counter steer to gain control of the car again.
You put the same tires on each of the cars and go at it on a road course, the Accord will prevail. On a completely flat road course, the Max will defintely handle good, but once you put bumps, and humps in teh road, the ACcord will prevail. The Maxima will loose its *** once it hits a bump in a hard turn gurranteed. Done it many times on road courses and had to counter steer to gain control of the car again.
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Re: Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
2. All stock stereos suck. It's a fact of life. [/B][/QUOTE]
Heard the "Mark Levinson" in the new Lexus'? I haven't, but who can knock Mark!?! I'm sure the system rips! So, not all....
Heard the "Mark Levinson" in the new Lexus'? I haven't, but who can knock Mark!?! I'm sure the system rips! So, not all....
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Re: Re: Re: My 2002 SE Auto is Worthless
My bad. Actually, I should've said average Max owner, and dropped the automatic. No offense, bro. Lets face it. Our aftermarket is so tiny because of the demographic.Congrats on the Iromnan. I did my first tri last year at 31. The first we do is the sprint in Galena. (It is a hilly ****). One of the top sprint tris in the states.
I have yet to do an ironman though. Wish I could say I have.
Originally posted by Maximax2
Hey, hey!! I drive an auto, and I'm 35 and last week did my first Ironman (in your defense, you did say "average auto owner"...)
Hey, hey!! I drive an auto, and I'm 35 and last week did my first Ironman (in your defense, you did say "average auto owner"...)
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Re: Re: Re: Re: That Explains Alot!
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
You put the same tires on each of the cars and go at it on a road course, the Accord will prevail. On a completely flat road course, the Max will defintely handle good, but once you put bumps, and humps in teh road, the ACcord will prevail. The Maxima will loose its *** once it hits a bump in a hard turn gurranteed. Done it many times on road courses and had to counter steer to gain control of the car again.
You put the same tires on each of the cars and go at it on a road course, the Accord will prevail. On a completely flat road course, the Max will defintely handle good, but once you put bumps, and humps in teh road, the ACcord will prevail. The Maxima will loose its *** once it hits a bump in a hard turn gurranteed. Done it many times on road courses and had to counter steer to gain control of the car again.
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Because RussMaxManic is an EX maxima driver who provides a portal to the dark and mysterious ACURA WORLD..
there is nothing wrong with people on the board that do not own maximas because they provide us insight (may even be retarded insight) on other cars on the road..
I am currently a member of
www.torontoaccords.com
www.torontocivics.com
www.toprotege.com <== makes more sense since i used to own a protege
and of course
www.maxima.org
www.torontomaxima.com
Besides nothing wrong with some bashing on maximas, because they really are a POS (i mean 2k2 and up)... I wish i could sell mine so i can buy a new car, but i am flat out broke...
ED
there is nothing wrong with people on the board that do not own maximas because they provide us insight (may even be retarded insight) on other cars on the road..
I am currently a member of
www.torontoaccords.com
www.torontocivics.com
www.toprotege.com <== makes more sense since i used to own a protege
and of course
www.maxima.org
www.torontomaxima.com
Besides nothing wrong with some bashing on maximas, because they really are a POS (i mean 2k2 and up)... I wish i could sell mine so i can buy a new car, but i am flat out broke...
ED
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Originally posted by MiniRX7
Because RussMaxManic is an EX maxima driver who provides a portal to the dark and mysterious ACURA WORLD..
there is nothing wrong with people on the board that do not own maximas because they provide us insight (may even be retarded insight) on other cars on the road..
I am currently a member of
www.torontoaccords.com
www.torontocivics.com
www.toprotege.com <== makes more sense since i used to own a protege
and of course
www.maxima.org
www.torontomaxima.com
Besides nothing wrong with some bashing on maximas, because they really are a POS (i mean 2k2 and up)... I wish i could sell mine so i can buy a new car, but i am flat out broke...
ED
Because RussMaxManic is an EX maxima driver who provides a portal to the dark and mysterious ACURA WORLD..
there is nothing wrong with people on the board that do not own maximas because they provide us insight (may even be retarded insight) on other cars on the road..
I am currently a member of
www.torontoaccords.com
www.torontocivics.com
www.toprotege.com <== makes more sense since i used to own a protege
and of course
www.maxima.org
www.torontomaxima.com
Besides nothing wrong with some bashing on maximas, because they really are a POS (i mean 2k2 and up)... I wish i could sell mine so i can buy a new car, but i am flat out broke...
ED
Do you really think it's a POS or is it the fact that the "new car feeling" has worn off and you want something else. I wouldn't call the Max a POS, yeah, it my have some $hitty qualities like overboosted steering, but have you ever driven a Ford Taurus or a Dodge Stratus to name a few now those are real POS
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Actually, i have driven so many cars..
BUT REALISTICALLY..
Maximas are not a POS, only teh 2k2-2k3 are POS's
POINT OF REFERENCE..
My moms 99 maxima SE has 140,000kms on.. and its been the most absolutely perfect car EVER.. I have never seen a car drive so new even with that type of hard mileage.. It still drives 10 x better than my 2k2..
This is why i thought the new maxima is just as good or even better than the 99 maxima..
Look at the number of complaints regarding 2k2-2k3 maximas, including the possible lawsuit setup by DMBMAXIMA2k2.
Please udnerstand i have driven $hit boxes.. and my mazda is also a point in reference.. the first 100,000kms, it never had the problems or even seen the problems that my 2k2 maxima has.
In fact, i never really went to the dealer in my protege.. SO YOU TELL ME, why I don't have a right to call 2k2-2k3 maximas a POS..
Sure, its fast car, has leather and HID's but really i rather sacrifice all that and a little bit of speed for much better quality..
You have to admit, NISSAN as absolutely gone down hill.. The promote stuffing cars with as many features and horsepower as possible, but really, all they do is cut back on other things, like QUALITY and RELIABILTY.
I honestly feel as thoughy my car will never ever last 200,000 kms like all the other cars i have had and own..
And my final point in refernce.. I had a 1990 Ford Aerostar AWD w/4.0L v6, and even that POS didnt have as many problems as my 2k2 Maxima did..
Sorry for venting, but i just want to let others know of my own experience..
And as i pointed out numerous times, this is my first car that i purchased with my own money (i am 24 years old btw).. and i swear blowing as much money as i did on my maxima, i kinda, actually, REALLY expected alot more from Nissan..
ED
BUT REALISTICALLY..
Maximas are not a POS, only teh 2k2-2k3 are POS's
POINT OF REFERENCE..
My moms 99 maxima SE has 140,000kms on.. and its been the most absolutely perfect car EVER.. I have never seen a car drive so new even with that type of hard mileage.. It still drives 10 x better than my 2k2..
This is why i thought the new maxima is just as good or even better than the 99 maxima..
Look at the number of complaints regarding 2k2-2k3 maximas, including the possible lawsuit setup by DMBMAXIMA2k2.
Please udnerstand i have driven $hit boxes.. and my mazda is also a point in reference.. the first 100,000kms, it never had the problems or even seen the problems that my 2k2 maxima has.
In fact, i never really went to the dealer in my protege.. SO YOU TELL ME, why I don't have a right to call 2k2-2k3 maximas a POS..
Sure, its fast car, has leather and HID's but really i rather sacrifice all that and a little bit of speed for much better quality..
You have to admit, NISSAN as absolutely gone down hill.. The promote stuffing cars with as many features and horsepower as possible, but really, all they do is cut back on other things, like QUALITY and RELIABILTY.
I honestly feel as thoughy my car will never ever last 200,000 kms like all the other cars i have had and own..
And my final point in refernce.. I had a 1990 Ford Aerostar AWD w/4.0L v6, and even that POS didnt have as many problems as my 2k2 Maxima did..
Sorry for venting, but i just want to let others know of my own experience..
And as i pointed out numerous times, this is my first car that i purchased with my own money (i am 24 years old btw).. and i swear blowing as much money as i did on my maxima, i kinda, actually, REALLY expected alot more from Nissan..
ED
Re: Re: That Explains Alot!
Originally posted by RussMaxManiac
Dream on if you think the Maxima will hang with a Accord.
The Altima has a chance, defintely but not the boat like handling of the Maxima.
Dream on if you think the Maxima will hang with a Accord.
The Altima has a chance, defintely but not the boat like handling of the Maxima.