Can we add a B!tch section or sticky to the Forums? Like a place that all these people who are b!itching about the same thing can go and spout off. 5% of the population here is complaining about the same crap over and over and bringing down the moral of the whole place. In the past 2 weeks I have seen more complaint threads than ever.

To all of those new people who just bought a Maxima it's like this. You probably see a lot of complaining going on and you are wondering what you got yourself into. My parents always taught me about the 5% rule. 5% of an unhappy population tends to speak louder than the happy 95%. Perhaps it's greater than 5%, but I know it's no where near the majority.

Alright, I'm off my soap box now. And I'm ready to duck and cover.

 

actually thats a good idea...

 

I couldnt agree with you more, whether people are complaining about their Maxima or just Nissan.....service or whatever...a lot of people are tired of reading the same theards all the time...heck if the mood had been like this last fall when i purchased my 2K2 i would have freaked

 

All I know is if the car is that much of a pain, and you have tried everything else to no avail, sell the damn car, take your loss and go buy something else. I bought a 97 grand prix GTP when they first came out, drove great until it started to fall apart a yr into its time with me...lots of warranty work done, bad service, incompetent service advisors and mechanics, ungrateful owner and son, so I decided to take a loss and I TRADED it in for the maxima...Thats right I didn't even try to sell it privately, I had enough and my time , money, and sanity is worth something...

 

JAKE02, you're right on about being freaked out. I'm in the market right now for a 2003 Maxima, and before the last 2 weeks I thought the world of this car, but since then, I'm finding myself 2nd guessing this purchase. It seems like all hell is breaking loose, and people are just making so many complaints about the car, the company, and service that it's hard to go into my purchase with a positive outlook. To make it all worse, some people are saying they have no problems with the car, while others are saying that their car is basically falling apart. It's hard cause I don't know which group I'll fall into, and if this car would be problem free(relatively speaking) then it's by the far the best buy for under $30K, but if it's going to have problems (like having a transmission replaced at 5000 miles!...wtf is that????) then this would be the worst buy.

 

Some people do have problems, without a doubt. I don't believe even for a second that it's anymore than you would find with a Honda or Toyota. Sure you might have a guy saying he owned a 1972 Honda before his Maxima and the Honda never broke. His Maxima though had a tranny problem. Thus he says his Max is a POS. His Max is just one out of a few Hundred thoasand produced each year, he just got an unlucky transmission. Remember in my first post above about the 5% people. I had a 2000 Accord before this and it was a POS, but I know not all Accords are POS's.

My Maxima has been flawless for almost a year. I have a good friend who has a 2001 and it has been flawless for him. Sure there are things that could have been better designed, but there isn't a car on the road that you couldn't find a flaw in given the time.

 

I have a better idea.. lets open a perfect car/great service forum so all 5 of you can hang out there.

If you've been here more than 2 weeks, you know this stuff cycles.. Plus, right now there is a high failure rate for a few things on the 2k2/3. It will subside, hopefully because everyone gets this stuff fixed.

As for those having second thoughts, errrrr, thats what this is here for. Do your research. Finding out if their service dept is good and doing a THOROUGH test drive and prebuy inspection is important to the overall happiness your new maxima will bring you.

 

Doing a THOROUGH test drive and prebuy inspection will not reveal some problems that you may have in a month, or two, or in a year. I mean when I heard that some of the members here had to have their transmissions replaced on a 2002 car, I couldn't believe that. That's the "problem"--doing a test drive and prebuy inspection will make you fall in love with the car, it's only later on down the road that its true colors may get revealed.

 

Ehhh, as was stated ALL cars have certain problems and quirks.

Hell, I'm sure BMW has had a recall on their upper level sedans once or twice.

For all the research done time is the one thing that can never be accurately duplicated.

Look at the old CRX's...or the Fiero's...or Ford's head gaskets...Look at Chevy's weatherstripping...

I will agree it's disheartening to hear the problems people have with trying to get anything fixed via warranty, but overall I like the car, and plan on keeping it for a long while.

 

The BMW X5 has been recalled more than 5 and possibly as many as 9 times since it's introduction. But you never hear that do you!!!

 

UH OH, somebody better tell DMBMAXIMA...since he is trading his maxima for "upper end used suv"

 

I agree completely! That is also how these manufacturers get the over-rated JD Powers 'initial quality' merits and then advertise them all over the place.

 

Come on Tim open up a B***ch Forum, come on be a pal.....

 

you know, a recall sounds like a bad thing.. but ask yourself, which is worse, 5 trips to the dealer and them denying a probem and/or blaming you for the problem or a simple recall? I'd take a recall ANY day of the week.

All cars have faults, recalls are a good thing in the big picture.

 

If they make a complaint forum, TimW and the other moderators would have to spend all day moving threads from other forums into that forum. The other forums would become desolate and useless .

Seriously, the mods should do some work since they are given the power, but it's not like they get paid for it or anything.

 

So I looked a little closer at the much vaunted X5.

The 2000 it was saftey recalled 5 times.
325001 MAR 01 Recall - Steering Coupling Inspection
325200 JAN 01 Recall - Tie Rod Nut Inspection
725000 SEP 00 Recall - Safety Belt Torque Inspection
000194 JAN 00 Campaign/Recall - Codes Index
325099 JAN 00 Recall - Check Steering Coupling

http://www.alldata.com/TSB/06/00069840.html

The 2001 was recalled 15 times (6 V8, 9 I6)

V8
640601 AUG 01 Recall - Auxiliary Engine Cooling Fan Replacement
640501 AUG 01 Recall - Engine, Auxiliary Cooling Fan Replacement
345101 JUL 01 Recall - Brake Booster Inspection/Replacement
325001 MAR 01 Recall - Steering Coupling Inspection
325200 JAN 01 Recall - Tie Rod Nut Inspection
725000 SEP 00 Recall - Safety Belt Torque Inspection

I6
640601 AUG 01 Recall - Auxiliary Engine Cooling Fan Replacement
640501 AUG 01 Recall - Engine, Auxiliary Cooling Fan Replacement
245201 JUL 01 Recall - A/T Selector Position Switch Replacement
345101 JUL 01 Recall - Brake Booster Inspection/Replacement
345001 JUL 01 Recall - Brake Line Inspection/Spacer Installation
325001 MAR 01 Recall - Steering Coupling Inspection
325200 JAN 01 Recall - Tie Rod Nut Inspection
725000 SEP 00 Recall - Safety Belt Torque Inspection

The 2002 hasn't been recalled.....YET!!

My point is that all vehicles have problems, some ^ a bit more than others. No one ever hears about all of these recalls because this is a BMW. Had it been a Chevy everyone would have heard about it and Dateline would have done a whole show about it. I just don't get it.

I agree with what TimW, but there is a point where you have to ask what is wrong.

 

i keep tellin you guys, the american economy is based on marketing not quality or service or any of that.

bmw's marketing machine is more powerful than their recall history. we all still want one, and we're all convinced they have that german uber-engineering. doesn't matter what the facts say...

how often does windows crash or do stupid things or not give you what you think you paid for? i think most people would agree windows sucks in general. doesn't matter, they have incredible marketing, people keep buying.

nissan's no different - they sell cars based on the "image" of nissan ownership. delivering on that promise is secondary.

the average capital good company (that produces a tangible item for public sale) spends 43% of their budget on marketing & sales generation, 4% on R&D, and only 2.8% on customer service and after-sale efforts.

digusting but true...

 

something tells me that BMW's recall list speaks more to their committment to their customers than engineering problems.

So far there are plenty of items that could have warranted a recall. There were people who brought their max in and were denied the transverse link recall on the first try, even tho their max exhibited the problem. Wha? As Brian Fellows would say "thats crazy!"

 

Can you imagine the uproar in here if the 2K2 MAX had 15 recalls, Tim and everyone else wouldnt be complimenting Nissan for "wonderful customer commitment" all you would hear is OUR MAXIAMA IS POS!!!

 

right, and posts like "be waiting 3 months for a radio" or "I'm on my third transmission" are any better.

I *NEVER* said the max is a POS. NEVER. Neither have most people. Again, you are confusing that with a lack of willingness for NNA to take care of us.

 

Woahhhh. Timmeh throwin down.......

 

Tim, i never directly said you have called the Maxima a POS, but several org members have especially lately. I just think their is a double standard in here, like i said, BMW have numerous recalls and they are committed to their customers,( and nonone would ever criticize BMW for lousy enginneering or build quality) Nissan has some issues/recalls and *some* org members are balsting Nissan/Maxiam. I may not be able to relate well with this issue since my dealer has always been pretty good( only complaint is not giving me loaner when i had recall repair) and besides a couple of recalls my Max has been flawless.

 

You nailed it. Plus the fact that the BMW costs MUCH more than the Maxima. Does that make it the "Utilmate Driving to the Dealer for my 9th recall this year Machine?" I only posted the safety recalls, there were other general recalls as well. But it's a BMW, so thats ok.

 

Don't forget...those are RECALLS!! Friends of mine have had personal experience with the wonderful world of BMW repairs that are not covered under recall or warranty. Let's just say that reapirs contribute a good portion of the funding to the marketing department!!

All in all, yes ALL cars are prone to something or other.