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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 12:47 PM
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Aluminum Light Weight Pulleys

I currently make the Under Drive Pulley for the Maxima and Altima. A few members requested that I make the power steering pulley out of Aluminum since its lighter then the OEM Steel ones. I would need about 50 Pre-Orders on these parts. As for which car it fits, it would most likley be the 4th Gen Maximas, I could look into making the VQ35DE as well, but that would require another group buy. I do not know if the power steering pulley will fit all the cars, because they would make it easier on the group buy.

So the group buy would need orders for just the Power Steering Pulley and if you guys want to buy the Under Drive Pulley, I could give you both of them for no shipping or some kind of deal. Let me know. If I get enough interest I will do it.

My website isnt complete but you can see the work I have done by going to the Altima 3.5L and clicking on the pulley.
www.definitivemotorsports.com

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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 04:09 PM
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I am in. What is the price for this PS pulley alone? Let me know. I would like to replace all the pully's if I can. MAKE IT AND THEY WILL BUY

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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 05:24 PM
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Ya I would be interested in these, can you post some figures or estiates please.
Old Jan 18, 2003 | 06:43 PM
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Hello like i stated before im interested in the others.i already have a crank pulley.im in for the other ones just give me an idea of the price.plain alum.thank you.
Old Jan 18, 2003 | 06:56 PM
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I think we all need a estimated price here? Also check the part #'s on the differnt power steering pulleys.
Old Jan 18, 2003 | 08:08 PM
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Well this will probably be a 2 month long process. I work part time and go to school full time, so running the company isnt too easy. I need to finish getting my Oil, Radiator and Coolant billet caps out first, then I can go to Nissan and find out part #'s.

The problem isnt having a bunch of these made, the problem is finding out which car it fits. Also some of these pulleys are installed with a dowel(or some other type) pin that expands inside to hold the pulley down, I need to find out what kind it is so I can make it so its an easy install once the OEM part is removed.

Also what other pulleys do you guys need made? From the post on the other Group Buy I started, the only pulleys I saw were the Crank Shaft and Power Steering Pulleys, so let me know so I can buy them from Nissan to get them made.

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Old Jan 18, 2003 | 08:23 PM
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Well this will probably be a 2 month long process. I work part time and go to school full time, so running the company isnt too easy. I need to finish getting my Oil, Radiator and Coolant billet caps out first, then I can go to Nissan and find out part #'s.

The problem isnt having a bunch of these made, the problem is finding out which car it fits. Also some of these pulleys are installed with a dowel(or some other type) pin that expands inside to hold the pulley down, I need to find out what kind it is so I can make it so its an easy install once the OEM part is removed.

Also what other pulleys do you guys need made? From the post on the other Group Buy I started, the only pulleys I saw were the Crank Shaft and Power Steering Pulleys, so let me know so I can buy them from Nissan to get them made.

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Power steering and alternator pulleys. The idler pulley weighs next to nothing and the AC pulley is really complicated and it's s a dead pulley.
Old Jan 18, 2003 | 08:26 PM
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I'm interested in the Crankshaft and power steering pulley. I would also be interested in the AC compressor and alternator pulley. I'm unsure of the idler pulley. And please make these for the VQ35's. You already have a customer base with the Altima VQ35's. Hopefully they use the same pulley system as ours.

Question. I realize this is a long process. I someone wanted to purchase the UDP now, would you give some kind of price break if they then ordered other pulley's?
Old Jan 18, 2003 | 08:32 PM
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Oops, some how emax posted just before me. I'll defer to his judgement and drop the AC compressor pulley unless some new info comes up.
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can you make it bigger than stock?? Would that firm up the steering a little?
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So according to Emax that is a total of 2 pulleys? This means I only need to make one pulley right?

Ok, I will tell you guys what, since I dont have work or school tomorrow, I will go to Nissan (my sister wants to test drive an automatic altima) talk to the guys in parts and buy the parts you guys want made in Aluminum. If they both fit a Maxima 95-02 (crank shaft pulley is good from 89-03 Maxima) and Altima, I will have them done in one month for sure, I am actually 11 days ahead of schedule for finishing my other parts which is nice. This makes it much easier so I dont have to hassle with Different Gen cars. So I will respond back here Sunday afternoon with more info, sound good? Does to me

Thanks for the interest guys.
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Originally posted by JBL85
So according to Emax that is a total of 2 pulleys? This means I only need to make one pulley right?

Ok, I will tell you guys what, since I dont have work or school tomorrow, I will go to Nissan (my sister wants to test drive an automatic altima) talk to the guys in parts and buy the parts you guys want made in Aluminum. If they both fit a Maxima 95-02 (crank shaft pulley is good from 89-03 Maxima) and Altima, I will have them done in one month for sure, I am actually 11 days ahead of schedule for finishing my other parts which is nice. This makes it much easier so I dont have to hassle with Different Gen cars. So I will respond back here Sunday afternoon with more info, sound good? Does to me

Thanks for the interest guys.
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Power steering and altinater
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Best of luck.

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Old Jan 19, 2003 | 02:45 PM
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Ok, so Nissan was closed today, I will call them tomorrow or just go in on Tuesday when they are open.

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Originally posted by JBL85
Ok, so Nissan was closed today, I will call them tomorrow or just go in on Tuesday when they are open.

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You are going to want to make 2 pulleys here. The power steering pulley and alternator pulley. If you do that you will have a total of 3 pulleys to offer cause you allready have a UDP in production.
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4th gen Power Steering & Alternator please. Sizing the steering pulley to make the turning crisper would be better but not required for me to order.

Any estimates of weight savings between the alum & steel?
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 08:20 PM
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5th gen alt and power steering
Old Jan 19, 2003 | 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by JBL85
Ok, so Nissan was closed today, I will call them tomorrow or just go in on Tuesday when they are open.

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I own a 5th gen. I would be interested in the crank,power steering,and the alternator. Thanks and good luck!
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 12:37 AM
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Any estimates of weight savings between the alum & steel?
Well they should be light. I do currently produce the lightest weight pulley which weighs about 1-2oz's less than UR pulley while keeping the same dimensions, so the other pulleys will be light and sturdy.
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Well they should be light. I do currently produce the lightest weight pulley which weighs about 1-2oz's less than UR pulley while keeping the same dimensions, so the other pulleys will be light and sturdy.
the power steering pulley and the alternator pulley will be larger than stock,correct?
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 08:54 AM
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No, the Pulleys I am making are going to be OEM size, but light weight aluminum. Or the Crank Shaft Pulley is larger.
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 10:20 AM
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No, the Pulleys I am making are going to be OEM size, but light weight aluminum. Or the Crank Shaft Pulley is larger.
so if they are the same size as oem, what benefits do we get besides being lighter?
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Don't know if it make a difference but just to set the record straight.

Definitive Motorsports UDP = 20.4 oz
http://www.definitivemotorsports.com/nisalt20v6udp.html

Unorthodox Racing UDP = 26.1 oz
http://www.unorthodoxracing.com/weights.html

RVM Racing UDP = 27.2 oz
http://www.rvmracing.com/product.asp?0=275&1=281&3=306

I think I got it right, but someone please check my facts.
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Hahaha, looks like I had my facts wrong, the UR pulley weighs about 20.7 while mine is 20.4.

Benefits of a lightened pulley at OEM spec? It allows the pulley to spin more freely, but other then that I dont know since these guys all requested one, they must be good.
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 11:21 AM
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Sorry, this is me JBL85, I am at work and didnt know I had this login Name on this computer.
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 11:42 AM
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Sorry, this is me JBL85, I am at work and didnt know I had this login Name on this computer.
LOL, thought you were an imposter for a minute. When I checked the Unorthodox sites it lists their pulley as 1 lb 10.1 oz. That's 26.1 oz. Are you getting 20.7 oz for the Unorthodox UDP from another source?
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LOL, thought you were an imposter for a minute. When I checked the Unorthodox sites it lists their pulley as 1 lb 10.1 oz. That's 26.1 oz. Are you getting 20.7 oz for the Unorthodox UDP from another source?
Ok, here is the thing, I am mis-informing customers, sorry, I actually weighed my pulley without the brass bushing, so here are the weights of the pulleys

UR Pulley


Definitive Pulley
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Ok, here is the thing, I am mis-informing customers, sorry, I actually weighed my pulley without the brass bushing, so here are the weights of the pulleys

UR Pulley


Definitive Pulley
Thanks, that clears it up.
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Ok, I got some deliveries to do for work, so I will stop at Nissan on my way back.
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Ok, I got some deliveries to do for work, so I will stop at Nissan on my way back.
How much are you currently selling your underdrive (crank) pulleys for, for the gen 4 Maixma?

As for the other 2 pulleys that you are thinking about making, I understand that you are going to make them lighter by using aluminum. But did you think about also making it a larger diameter? That, along with the smaller, lighter crank pulley would really pump out some power for us.

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I am in for power steering, crankpully if it is underdrive and the alternator pulley. Also i am down if you need a test subject.
Old Jan 20, 2003 | 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by pcante1

so if they are the same size as oem, what benefits do we get besides being lighter?
It is the same concept as lighter wheels helping acceleration. It takes power to spin something (wheels or pullys), by making the pullys lighter less power is used to turn them and more gets to the ground. To quote from the custom Maxima Website --
First, and most important, is the weight lose. An average of 2.7 HP is gained from every pound lost off the crank shaft. 85% of the gains are from weight loss. The rest of the gains are from underdriving which accounts for about 15% of the total gains. These pulleys do not push underdriving for two main reasons. The first is to keep charging systems, air conditioning, power steering, and water pumps moving fast enough for everyday driving. Second, not much horsepower is gained from extreme underdriving. All of the underdriving is done with the crank pulley, not the accessory pulleys. This is done so maximum weight lose can be achieved at the crank where most of the horsepower gains are found.
http://www.custommaxima.com/UnorthodoxPulley.php

It looks like Definitive (JBL85?) weighed the pullys without the timing ring, perhaps that accounts for the weight difference. In any case a UDP should shave off about 3.5 Lbs of rotating weight. Any idea on how much weight we will lose with power steering and alternator pullys? Any Guestimate on Cost?
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How much are you currently selling your underdrive (crank) pulleys for, for the gen 4 Maixma?

As for the other 2 pulleys that you are thinking about making, I understand that you are going to make them lighter by using aluminum. But did you think about also making it a larger diameter? That, along with the smaller, lighter crank pulley would really pump out some power for us.

Thanks!

EVERYONE PLEASE READ THIS THAT IS INTERESTED::::::
I AM NOT MAKING THE PULLEY A DIFFERENT SIZE UNLESS SOMEONE GIVES ME PROPER SPECS, I DO NOT OWN A MAXIMA AND AM ONLY CREATING AN OEM REPLACEMENT PART. IF YOU KNOW DIMENSIONS THAT I CAN USE, I.E. ACTUAL DRAWINGS THEN I WOULD BE OPEN TO MAKING A LARGER PULLEY.



Crank Shaft Pulley is 140.00 + S/H and Tax for CA residents
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It would be smaller wouldnt it?
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A larger pulley would be simliar. But how would I know what belt sizes for you guys to use and how would I know how much bigger to make it.



Sorry guys, I dont think this is going to work, I went to Nissan and the pulleys are different. So that means you would need about 40-50 guys willing to pre-pay for Fourth Gen Maxima Pulleys. If there is near enough that many people with interest I will go buy the pulley tomorrow and have it made within 4 weeks.
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A larger pulley would be simliar. But how would I know what belt sizes for you guys to use and how would I know how much bigger to make it.



Sorry guys, I dont think this is going to work, I went to Nissan and the pulleys are different. So that means you would need about 40-50 guys willing to pre-pay for Fourth Gen Maxima Pulleys. If there is near enough that many people with interested I will go buy the pulley tomorrow and have it made within 4 weeks.
What about the 02-03's? If our pulleys are the same as the Altima 02-03's you should be able to get 40-50 people interested between the two cars.
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Crank Shaft Pulley is fine, but for the Group Buy I put up, No one was even interested. So that did not work out to well. How ever I can still post the group buy up if you think I can get 10 people to buy the Crank Shaft Pulley.

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Originally posted by JBL85
Crank Shaft Pulley is fine, but for the Group Buy I put up, No one was even interested. So that did not work out to well. How ever I can still post the group buy up if you think I can get 10 people to buy the Crank Shaft Pulley.

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I'd be in for the crank pulley for sure if it was in the price range of the RVM crank pulley. $80 shipped.
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Is that 150 for the 2 new pulleys?



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