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Old Mar 23, 2003 | 08:17 PM
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HID Kits: 8000K 3200lm - Gauging Interest

Would you guys be interested in a GD for HID kits? I found a kit that, I think is one of the best, if not the best out there today. The ballast is manufactured by Hella (and rebranded by Phillips). The bulbs are Phillips. I think that is the best combination out there right now. The colour temperature is 8000K which is blue. The brightness is 3200lm which is as bright as any automotive bulb out there today.

Let me know what you guys think. If there is enough interest I will approach the shop to see if they can work out a deal for us.

Keep me posted.

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Old Mar 23, 2003 | 10:34 PM
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I'm definately in the market for HIDs...3200 lumens sounds amazing.

The more GDs on HIDs the better.
Old Mar 24, 2003 | 01:17 PM
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We need 10 people for a group rate... what that rate is, I'm still trying to negotiate. It is comparatively priced to other HID kits though. So right now, it looks like only 2 people are interested?
Old Mar 25, 2003 | 02:39 PM
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Me...Me...Me...Me!!!! If the price is good.
Old Mar 25, 2003 | 02:57 PM
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Nobody really responded so I went ahead and bought myself a kit. Sorry guys.

But if this thread does get some heat then I will gladly organize a GB.
Old Mar 25, 2003 | 03:16 PM
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really intrested....post some pics once you get em installed. I bet alot of us are curious to see how they look. Thanks
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Old Mar 25, 2003 | 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by nismoflo
really intrested....post some pics once you get em installed. I bet alot of us are curious to see how they look. Thanks
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Will do. I think I should be getting them on April 3. I will install them once I get them. From the sounds of it, its an amazing kit. Good brand names and the specs on paper look good.
Old Mar 25, 2003 | 04:35 PM
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whats the price you paid?
Old Mar 25, 2003 | 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by MAXIN
whats the price you paid?
I bought them from an open box but they are $500 new. Definetly the best out there from the sounds of it - 8000K at 3200lm... what more could you want? Also the ballast is Hella sold as Phillips and the bulbs are Phillips. I hope they are as good as they sound.
Old Mar 26, 2003 | 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by speedemn


I bought them from an open box but they are $500 new. Definetly the best out there from the sounds of it - 8000K at 3200lm... what more could you want? Also the ballast is Hella sold as Phillips and the bulbs are Phillips. I hope they are as good as they sound.
do you think you have pictures of the bulbs?? last I checked Philips doesnt make 8000k bulbs, check on that for us to be sure
Old Mar 26, 2003 | 07:49 PM
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Philips doesn't make 8000k bulbs...! usually, those bulbs come from korea or japan or or taiwan somewhere in asia.... Philips only makes 6000k Ultinon bulbs and 4300k stock HID OEM bulbs. Also, how could a 8000k kit have 3200 lumens when i know for a fact that D2S 4300k bulbs are the only bulbs that output that much light? I think that's a bunch of marketing bullcrap, cuz it can't be true unless its a 4300k D2S bulb.

The higher the kelvin, the more likely that there is a loss of lumens. The more color, there is likely a loss of light output, which people probably don't notice since HIDs are bright as hell. Just letting you know the facts...
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Originally posted by maximaxgtr
The higher the kelvin, the more likely that there is a loss of lumens. The more color, there is likely a loss of light output, which people probably don't notice since HIDs are bright as hell. Just letting you know the facts...
I am very well aware of what the facts are. I have a physics background from University. Up until about 3-4 months ago I would have said exactly what you said - the higher the colour temperature, the lower the luminosity because as you move higher up the kelvin scale the frequency of the light gets longer, thus deminishing brightness. So as of about 4 months ago, to get the peak luminosity of 3200lm for an automobile bulb, you would have to stick in the 4200K-4350K range.

However whichever company this is, has marketed through different distributors (Phillips being one of them) their 8000K 3200lm bulb. So you are correct in saying that Phillips does not make an 8000K bulb. The ballast is not made by Phillips either but it has the Phillips name on it. Hella makes the ballasts and some Japanese manufacturer makes the bulbs.

We will see when I get them, if the pictures substantiate what it says on paper. If it was just one supplier telling me this then I would chalk it upto marketing or even false advertising. But this is more than one independent source that I have done my research from. That is why I went ahead and spent the money.
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8000k kits caaan produce the same or nearly the same light output as the OEM or lower temp bulbs even though most dont

now the part where the OEM manufacturers stick to 4300k is the color of light the bulbs put out 8000k looks good but it is more fatiguing on the eyes

now, not to hijack your thread but if you have an 8000k kit that puts out 3200lms... thats a pretty damn sweet light output for an 8000k kit!!
Old Mar 26, 2003 | 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by carnal_c30
now, not to hijack your thread but if you have an 8000k kit that puts out 3200lms... thats a pretty damn sweet light output for an 8000k kit!!
Nah you don't have a box cutter... no hijacking going on here.

Yeah 8000K and 3200lm AND the Phillips name... almost sounds too good to be true, but I did pay the price for them, so I am hoping that my picky standards are indeed satisfied when I get them.

I would have waited for a possible GD with the guys here, but it is hard to get it going for something that's not so cheap and makes claims like this... but it is new so we'll see.
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How do you know for a fact that 8000k kits can produce the same exact light output as OEM 4300k factory kits? I don't know, but i still disagree with that statement. I agree that they can "nearly" produce the same light..., but just lower lumens... maybe around 2000-2400 lumens? I don't think anyone could tell the difference between 2400 lumens versus 3200 lumens from a 4300k D2S bulb.

If I see an official website from Philips or an advertisement marketing a new 8000k bulb claiming the same amount of lumens, then I would believe it. But until then, I still think that the more color, the less lumen output. I don't think anything could be brighter than BRIGHT WHITE as opposed to a BRIGHT BLUE color. Also, 6000k D2S Ultinon bulb is supposedly dimmer and rated at 2400 lumens just FYI.

Read.... I found this pretty interesting..

http://www.intellexual.net/hid.htm

Also, I think I read somewhere in a different forum where some Asian countries can produce knock-off Philips ballasts or something like that... If they are true Hella ballasts, then they are reputable obviously.


Originally posted by carnal_c30
8000k kits caaan produce the same or nearly the same light output as the OEM or lower temp bulbs even though most dont

now the part where the OEM manufacturers stick to 4300k is the color of light the bulbs put out 8000k looks good but it is more fatiguing on the eyes

now, not to hijack your thread but if you have an 8000k kit that puts out 3200lms... thats a pretty damn sweet light output for an 8000k kit!!
Old Mar 27, 2003 | 04:41 PM
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We'll see what happens when I actually receive it and install the kit. This guy has been very honest and professional thus far.
Old Mar 28, 2003 | 12:34 AM
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I'm not trying to burst your bubble, but I do not believe this. If what you are saying is true when you get your kit, congrats, you found one heck of a kit. If they sent you a phillips ballast and 8000k taiwan or korean bulb, how will you measure the lumens? Philips only makes two bulbs for cars, the 6000k Ultinon and the 4300k one. Philips is a legit company, why would they make a 8000k blue bulb?

P.S. No offense was intended at all, please read with a friendly tone
Old Mar 28, 2003 | 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by JsL
Philips only makes two bulbs for cars, the 6000k Ultinon and the 4300k one. Philips is a legit company, why would they make a 8000k blue bulb?

P.S. No offense was intended at all, please read with a friendly tone
None taken. I was as skeptical as you when I first saw this kit about 8 months ago. That is why I did not buy it back then. But I checked up on the store recently and they still sell these kits and I spoke to some guys who have bought from him and they are all 100% satisfied. Now, if that means that the kit puts out 3200lm, I don't know. How would someone like you or me measure that anyway... we can't.

As for the branding, just as Phillips has bought Hella ballasts and rebranded them, they bought 8000K Japanese bulbs and rebranded them. Who the original manufacturer of these bulbs are, I don't know. But I figure if I'm going to buy a HID kit anyway, I can't go wrong with this one for the price that I got it at (open box). Worst case, it will be slightly dimmer than a 4300K kit... big deal. But I hope to be pleasantly surprised.

I will definetly post pics and comparisons.
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