3rd gen Cattman-Progress Coilovers, we need 15 people
3rd gen Cattman-Progress Coilovers, we need 15 people
Hey guys, this is it. If you are serious about having new modifications for the 3rd gen built, now is the time to step up.
We need 15+ people to lay down 1/2 the cash needed to buy coilovers so Brian will get a sysetem developed for us. The full price would be between $1200-1400. So $600-700 down would be the initial investment. Full refund if we don't get enough people.
If you want to read more about the deal, check out this post with my question, and Brians reply.
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I can't count the number of coilover threads we have had in the 3rd gen forum, this one is for real. Restore my faith in our ability to make a deal work. Let's do this.
People in: (Please tell me if you want on/off the list)
Lordrandall
Chris91se
nubiannupe
N34JZ
Kevincleff
Flipdoutmax93
ObsidianIce69
JonnyMax
We need 15+ people to lay down 1/2 the cash needed to buy coilovers so Brian will get a sysetem developed for us. The full price would be between $1200-1400. So $600-700 down would be the initial investment. Full refund if we don't get enough people.
If you want to read more about the deal, check out this post with my question, and Brians reply.
Click me
I can't count the number of coilover threads we have had in the 3rd gen forum, this one is for real. Restore my faith in our ability to make a deal work. Let's do this.
People in: (Please tell me if you want on/off the list)
Lordrandall
Chris91se
nubiannupe
N34JZ
Kevincleff
Flipdoutmax93
ObsidianIce69
JonnyMax
Originally posted by Chris91SE
wow... i didn't think that would happen that fast. i'm gonna do my best to do my part. what is the deadline?
wow... i didn't think that would happen that fast. i'm gonna do my best to do my part. what is the deadline?
Originally posted by DanNY
all i can say is good luck.
all i can say is good luck.
alot of people are gonna look at the price and say
but unfortunately majority won't understand the physics of a TRUE coilover system compared to the cheapo Dropline, etc. crap they sell on Ebay for $99. but the $1200 price is amazing for a full coilover kit made from scratch, it will be interesting to see how this develops. Randy if you haven't already, hit Maximaforums and the other board like Max-world too. also the Maxima section on Automotiveforums.com as well!
Originally posted by DA-MAX
Randy if you haven't already, hit Maximaforums and the other board like Max-world too. also the Maxima section on Automotiveforums.com as well!
Randy if you haven't already, hit Maximaforums and the other board like Max-world too. also the Maxima section on Automotiveforums.com as well!
I wouldn't mind getting in on this one, Randy. And yes, I looked at that price and said "Whoa!!" But let's see what happens, ok?? I actually HAVE the initial investment, but only for a short time...
Originally posted by Chris91SE
yes it is...looks like the leather kit may have to take a backseat on the list
yes it is...looks like the leather kit may have to take a backseat on the list
I think that matt93se, n34jz, jon610 can be other peeps interested in this deal. Just a suggestion to ask them.
hey guys... i have yet to do anything to my suspension because i haven't had the money and have been searchin for an adjustable setup, but like i said in the skyline bodykit GD, im tryin to get a job at the airport, so if i get it i'll be sure to save up get in this deal...i really hope this goes through even if i cant get in the deal yet
if this deal goes through, is cattmann-performance going to be carrying the coil-overs for good???
if this deal goes through, is cattmann-performance going to be carrying the coil-overs for good???
Originally posted by phast92se
if this deal goes through, is cattmann-performance going to be carrying the coil-overs for good???
if this deal goes through, is cattmann-performance going to be carrying the coil-overs for good???
Originally posted by Lordrandall
Yes, but the problem is he needs to pre-sell 15 sets to make it worth his time.
Yes, but the problem is he needs to pre-sell 15 sets to make it worth his time.
OK, original post updated with people who are in.
The tenative cost is $1350 from Brian, no hard details yes, as Progress will have to look at a 3rd gen. I'm guessing camber adjustment would be an option, like it is for the 4th gens.
1/3 the way there guys, keep it up!
The tenative cost is $1350 from Brian, no hard details yes, as Progress will have to look at a 3rd gen. I'm guessing camber adjustment would be an option, like it is for the 4th gens.
1/3 the way there guys, keep it up!
WOW.. Coilovers sound delicious.
You can put me down tenatively as i have just about enough for the down payment. all the info ive read about it seems good and having an adjustable drop on the max would be sweet. Let me know when the deadline is so i can get ready to tap the atm lol. Hope to hear more soon. Keep me posted. Definitely need a new suspension the front struts are hurting.
You can put me down tenatively as i have just about enough for the down payment. all the info ive read about it seems good and having an adjustable drop on the max would be sweet. Let me know when the deadline is so i can get ready to tap the atm lol. Hope to hear more soon. Keep me posted. Definitely need a new suspension the front struts are hurting.
Originally posted by Flipdoutmax93
WOW.. Coilovers sound delicious.
You can put me down tenatively as i have just about enough for the down payment. all the info ive read about it seems good and having an adjustable drop on the max would be sweet. Let me know when the deadline is so i can get ready to tap the atm lol. Hope to hear more soon. Keep me posted. Definitely need a new suspension the front struts are hurting.
WOW.. Coilovers sound delicious.
You can put me down tenatively as i have just about enough for the down payment. all the info ive read about it seems good and having an adjustable drop on the max would be sweet. Let me know when the deadline is so i can get ready to tap the atm lol. Hope to hear more soon. Keep me posted. Definitely need a new suspension the front struts are hurting.
Originally posted by ObsidianIce69
I'm definitely interested, i've been part of 1 first group deal might as well be 3 (body kit if it happens)! and also...aren't these coilovers NON_ADJUSTABLE, i believe that's what cattman said, and that to make them adjustable would push the price higher....
I'm definitely interested, i've been part of 1 first group deal might as well be 3 (body kit if it happens)! and also...aren't these coilovers NON_ADJUSTABLE, i believe that's what cattman said, and that to make them adjustable would push the price higher....
http://www.progressauto.com/
click on Competition, then Coilovers.
From what I can see, non adjustable damper rates...... that's not cool.
I'll shoot Brian an email and see what's up.
No deadline, but as soon as we get the 15 people, they will go into development.
And then there were 7.
click on Competition, then Coilovers.
From what I can see, non adjustable damper rates...... that's not cool.
I'll shoot Brian an email and see what's up.
No deadline, but as soon as we get the 15 people, they will go into development.
And then there were 7.
http://www.progressauto.com/products/coilover.html
is this what you are talking about Randy? It says the dampening rates are adjustable but you have to take them apart to do it. Hassle but possible?
I'm torn on this. I don't know if I want such a low ride. But these do look nice.
is this what you are talking about Randy? It says the dampening rates are adjustable but you have to take them apart to do it. Hassle but possible?
I'm torn on this. I don't know if I want such a low ride. But these do look nice.
Just got this email from Brian:
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Perhaps others would like this feature to be included for the price, but the fact is that adjustable dampers on a setup like this typically raise the price by $300-400, and I do not consider that feasible. You can confirm this by looking at the price structure for other upper-end coilover lines.
I've had a number of serious discussions about this with Progress and I've ended up agreeing with their engineer's position that adjustability is most necessary when the coilover system is not specifically engineered for the application and the owner has to use guesswork to see what works the best (and almost NEVER gets it to the optimal state, as they've found out in their work). What they would do for the gen3 car is to design the struts for that car from the ground up.
You ask if different struts can be used, but that's not the way these are, the strut, coilover sleeves, etc. are all designed together. The strut is designed to go with the car better than any stock replacement strut would, and then the springs are matched in length and tension to the frequency of the cars suspension. Net result, optimal design for all the driving that most people ever do.
The advantage of the Progress non-adjustables is that they are ready to go straight out of the box. Progress puts it out with damper valving that is set at an optimal setting .
For those with extremely specialized needs (like drag racing, intensive autocrossing, etc.), Progress offers custom race tuning services at very reasonable prices.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
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Perhaps others would like this feature to be included for the price, but the fact is that adjustable dampers on a setup like this typically raise the price by $300-400, and I do not consider that feasible. You can confirm this by looking at the price structure for other upper-end coilover lines.
I've had a number of serious discussions about this with Progress and I've ended up agreeing with their engineer's position that adjustability is most necessary when the coilover system is not specifically engineered for the application and the owner has to use guesswork to see what works the best (and almost NEVER gets it to the optimal state, as they've found out in their work). What they would do for the gen3 car is to design the struts for that car from the ground up.
You ask if different struts can be used, but that's not the way these are, the strut, coilover sleeves, etc. are all designed together. The strut is designed to go with the car better than any stock replacement strut would, and then the springs are matched in length and tension to the frequency of the cars suspension. Net result, optimal design for all the driving that most people ever do.
The advantage of the Progress non-adjustables is that they are ready to go straight out of the box. Progress puts it out with damper valving that is set at an optimal setting .
For those with extremely specialized needs (like drag racing, intensive autocrossing, etc.), Progress offers custom race tuning services at very reasonable prices.
Brian C Catts
Cattman Performance
Let me see if I have this correct:
The damping level (struts) are non-adjustable, but the ride height is adjustable.
Although adjusting the height is possible, can it be done on the car? An alignment will be necessary after making an adjustment, correct?
Do you have any indication on how the ride-quality will be with the coilovers? I am interested, but I need my car to be (somewhat)comfortable, and I would assume others feel the same. Any idea of it would be comparable to, say, Eibach/Koni?
I know everything is in the very early stages and nothing has been developed yet- Im just trying to figure out what the goals of the project are, and if the price is justified
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm not at all familiar with coilovers. The possibility of a better design + adjustability is very appealing though. Thanks
Tim
The damping level (struts) are non-adjustable, but the ride height is adjustable.
Although adjusting the height is possible, can it be done on the car? An alignment will be necessary after making an adjustment, correct?
Do you have any indication on how the ride-quality will be with the coilovers? I am interested, but I need my car to be (somewhat)comfortable, and I would assume others feel the same. Any idea of it would be comparable to, say, Eibach/Koni?
I know everything is in the very early stages and nothing has been developed yet- Im just trying to figure out what the goals of the project are, and if the price is justified
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm not at all familiar with coilovers. The possibility of a better design + adjustability is very appealing though. ThanksTim
Originally posted by Tim93se5sp
Let me see if I have this correct:
The damping level (struts) are non-adjustable, but the ride height is adjustable.
Although adjusting the height is possible, can it be done on the car? An alignment will be necessary after making an adjustment, correct?
Do you have any indication on how the ride-quality will be with the coilovers? I am interested, but I need my car to be (somewhat)comfortable, and I would assume others feel the same. Any idea of it would be comparable to, say, Eibach/Koni?
I know everything is in the very early stages and nothing has been developed yet- Im just trying to figure out what the goals of the project are, and if the price is justified
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm not at all familiar with coilovers. The possibility of a better design + adjustability is very appealing though. Thanks
Tim
Let me see if I have this correct:
The damping level (struts) are non-adjustable, but the ride height is adjustable.
Although adjusting the height is possible, can it be done on the car? An alignment will be necessary after making an adjustment, correct?
Do you have any indication on how the ride-quality will be with the coilovers? I am interested, but I need my car to be (somewhat)comfortable, and I would assume others feel the same. Any idea of it would be comparable to, say, Eibach/Koni?
I know everything is in the very early stages and nothing has been developed yet- Im just trying to figure out what the goals of the project are, and if the price is justified
Sorry for all the questions, but I'm not at all familiar with coilovers. The possibility of a better design + adjustability is very appealing though. ThanksTim

correct
yes, probably not (not sure on that last one. I'm a coilover beginner too)
Totally new part, but you could probably ask one of the 4th genners with them (Cheston, etc...)
With no feedback/questions, you have an inferior product.
OK, so this thread fell right off the face of the earth. I'm going to guess we don't have enough interest.
I'll email Brian and tell him I couldn't gather enough people.
BTW, I don't want to hear anymore complaining about no coilovers for 3rd gens.
I'll email Brian and tell him I couldn't gather enough people.
BTW, I don't want to hear anymore complaining about no coilovers for 3rd gens.
NNOOOOOO Damnit!! I'm not sure Brian's relationship with Alex from SWA but when I talked to him about the gauge pods he said he would buy like 10 sets or so to help us fill our requirement. Maybe this would work, just throwing out ideas. Damn people always complaining and here is a great opportunity and it just falls through!




