Alright, hes the deal. Im running a 75 wet shot on my 99 max with no fuel upgrades. Running a Ypipe and recently installed flowmaster dual exhaust setup. I was racing my buddies SRT-4 (18lbs, intake) from a 40-110mph roll. Well, when we took off in second, everything was fine. Once i hit third gear, i can remember when, but sometime during 3rd gear i hear something like rocks from under my car. Now, to get an understanding of what i mean, imagine you driving at a higher rate of speed and you run into some bigger size pebbles, you know that sound it makes when it hits your wheel wells?!? Well thats the noise.


Now, we had about 10 people following on the empty interstate (but not able to keep up ) on the highway and some stated that they saw what i felt, and they said it was coming outta my exhaust system. Said they say metal fly out, because it sparked when it hit the ground.


My main question is, what could this possibly be?! Im not exactly motor savvy, so i have no idea. But if ANY kind of metal shaving (if any) came out from my motor, wouldnt i notice right away? I mean the car drives beautifully, with NO problems. Just the fact that someone said it was metal caught my attention. Now, could it be my newly installed flowmasters?! Or my cat?? Is their anything i can do to my motor test wise to see if anythings wrong (compression test, drain oil-see if any metal is in it?!?)


I know its nitrous related, but i figure more people browse this forum and i could use some immediate help...






Eric

 

if they saw it spark, i doubt it was the motor, because ur car wouldnt drive fine. Sounds like ur cat gutted itself.

 

I think it was leftover metal scrap from the new mufflers baffle or unless some kid thought it would be funny tossing some junk into someones tip. Not shure about if a melted cats honeycomb would cause a spark unless it was already glowing before it came out.

only other thing I can think of is the exhaust gasket flying out but not shure about sparks

 

i was going to say that your exhaust could be starting to rust but you just got it. So it could be something from your muffler. I hope your car is fine.

DID YOU ATLEAST WIN AGAINST YOUR FRIEND'S SRT-4?

 

I think it may be my cat since my car is running fine.


and no, the SRT-4 pulled me less than a car. Granted the SRT-4 had the stage 1 upgrade, intake, and is pushing 18lbs of boost. The SRT-4 with those mods are a VERY fast car, so im happy with my car ...

I would have easily won against a lightly modded SRT-4 or stock one...

If anyone got this on video (which i dont think they did), i'll post it. However, we will probably race again from a stop this time...



Eric

 

you may have just ran something over (piece of metal) that you kicked up and bounced behind your car?

Just do a once over under the car to make sure you did not lose a bolt or hanger from somewhere.

 

If your spraying N2O you may be running rich. If they saw sparks/flames shooting out the exhaust. Other then that, I cant help you. You race your buddy from a dead stop and he knows how to drive. He/she is going to kill you from a dead stop. The SRTs are running about 13.8-13.9s in the 1/4. You get a good launch and not that much wheel spin and you may get them. I ran one this weekend but she didnt know I was boosted too

 

maybe you just detonated and back fired. if your car is still running cant be too serious. and like jay said those cars are very fast, i raced one also but if i wasn't boosted forget it. the 75 shot might get him out the hole but he's gonna come back and get ya.

 

I saw this happen 2 times before.
Once it was a mustang with a brandnew engine just broken in. He was up against a Buick GN. He was on BFG comp's that were almost bald. He lit them up and lost ground on the Gn then hit NOS on second and it sounded like a 500hp pop corn machine. It was spitting out chunks of glowing debris. I saw the piston after the engine was broken down and it was melted and looked like a doughnut shape with hole in the middle.

The other time i was in my old 5spd 90 se and i was toying with a 97 m3, i didnt expect much but i guess he couldnt drive. It was rather close and we got to go at it a few times. Well on the last time we were going awefully fast and I got the feeling he just wouldnt take a loss and he just kept going full steam ahead. There was an instersection coming up fast and he freakin downshifted to slow himself. Well his engine went poof and yet again i saw glowing hot embers coming out an exhaust. I followed him to tell him what i saw but it didnt happen, i folowed him for like 2 blocks then i saw him pull over the car wasnt in good shape. I just wanted to help but i got the feeling he was embarassed. So i just let him be.

Anyways the glowing hot embers that shot of the exhausts looked like sparks to me at night. They were bouncing on the ground like a little light show.

 

Well, you guys need to realize, this SRT-4 was NOT stock. She was running 18psi and was barely pulling me. There is no way in hell a stock SRT-4 would pull me, sorry. Yes, they are fast, but a stock one i have no problem taking, its just the modded ones that will give me a run now. I do still have a few plans for the max which i think will allow me to beat her. Hmm, i wonder how i'd do against a stock STi or EVO, they are not that fast from a roll...


Oh, and please dont go by my E/Ts listed in my sig, im faster timewise now...


Eric

 

trust me, i know you'd whip a stock srt-4, i ran a 75 shot also so i know that feeling. i was quoting with the 18lbs in mind. see you have 75 instant hp that he will slowly reel in as his boost rises so he will always
pull maybe not a lot, but still. and i also ran a evo, posted a while back on that. it was just above stock i had him hard for a while but when his 19lbs kicked in at top end he started to pull didn't have the bottle for that run so i'll try again this summer.

 

Well from the sounds of it the motor is fine. However, if you want piece of mind, at least to a compression test just to rule out the motor. If things look fine and consistent, your fine. Since you said there was the sound of stuff being kicked up under the car, it probably was just debris.

S

 

sounds like the cat internals being expelled, it lets out cherry red particulate out, also makes that rocks noise

 

you think a STI or a EVO is not fast from a roll try to race one from a 2nd gear run and come back and post. I ran a couple of EVOs. Modded and non Modded. By the way I am pushing 9.5 PSI from a turbo.

 

i by accident once ran up on the back of an evo on the parkway, and let me tell you that once he downshifted he left me so fast is wasnt even funny. and my friends srt-4 from a roll has taken all of my firends cars except my friends twin turbo 300zx which has work done to it. if u can take one then u must have never ending no2 or something cause the only get faster and faster.

 

I've taken two SRTs, one from a dead stop and one from a third gear roll. I also ran up on an STI but the guy was being a total ***, he had a 5 car length head start while I was trying to line up with him. must have been the fact that I reeled him very quick when he sped up the first time

 

same here. i've taken out several srt,s, they don't even bother anymore.
but those damn evo's are quick the next time i race one i will be armed and dangerous. jay have you ever pushed over 10lbs, cause when i do i get the purge valve code and it shuts my boost down. im having a modified one installed today to see if that helps with some sort of resistor. p.s. stop beating on those poor little cars

 

ROFL......
I just realized that this post was about a Dodge NEON....LMAO.
If i got beat by a dodge neon id sell my car. I havent really been following dodge neons lately sooo im not quite sure what the NEON has evolved into. I thought he was originally talking about a subaru or the mitsu. The only newer fast dodge ive ever come across was the R/T 5.9L truck. Boy that was lightning fast. But a NEON....LOL....wtf..

Sooo...anyways i dont mean to flame anyone its just funny that a NEON presents trouble for any maxima..back when i used to pimp the 90SE downtown i used to smoke all those rice NEONS.

 

a quick update neon srt-4 turbo 18lbs of boost quarter mile 14 secs
0-60 6.0 secs or something like that a very fast neon, i know shocking
and thier blow off valve sounds sweet nice car. and if jay25 or me says
that these cars are quick trust us, jay is pushing 9-10lbs turbo and im
pushing 11-14lbs s/c and nitrous 100 shot ,so i think we know better.

 

Funny thing is that I hang out with the SRT guys. I also have been to two of their meets. I also attended one of their Dyno meets. I tell you what, I seen them dyno stock @ 260lbs of torque and 230HP. From a slow roll or a dead stop they will stomp a fat one on a lightly modded max. On top end from a fast roll you "MIGHT" beat one. Their ump dies out around 52K due to their small turbos.

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/show...418#post650418


http://www.srtforums.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=31

You guys know who races SRTs at the track? Ceasarchariot

CMAX Ive boosted as high as 15PSI on a spike. I have hit from 10.9PSI, 11, 12 and 13PSI . Thats not numbers I intended to see on the BC. Makes me mad since I dont want to blow up. I will be bumping it up to 12PSI in the within the next 3 weeks Will see how that goes

 

You need to not speak. You have NO idea what an SRT-4 is apparetly. BTW, a STOCK SRT-4 would stomp a mudhole on that 5.9 R/T, they are NOT fast. My buddy has a SS/T edition 5.9L and its not fast. Get your facts straight before you start sounding like a



Anyways...CMAX I must correct you, stock SRT-4s push only 14psi, not 18psi. With the stage 1 upgrade, 18psi (max boost), and an intake they should be good for 13.5 1/4mile times id presume (13.9-14.2 for a stocker).


Also JAY25, what i meant about the STis and EVOs, is well, granted they are fast from a roll, just not as fast as most would think being that they are AWD. Their stellar time comes from their 1.7 60ft AWD launches. Ive seen lightly modded SRT-4s (stage 1) take evos from a roll, on more than one occasion.


But, to keep this somewhat on the original topic, i have replaced my stock catilytic converter to a straight pipe. So far ive driven about 30-40miles with no CEL (crosses fingers). I must admit though, either i have some kind of exhaust leak, or it just really resonates badly because i get an awful raspy resonating sound above 4K rpms. I dont ever take it that high during normal driving, only when im racing, so the sound doesnt bother me TOO much. I hope with the nitrous and such, the better flow would help me out somewhat...




Eric

 

My cat failed and there were flakes pouring out of it when I removed it so it was probably just the cat. And going from CAT to staight pipe will make a big difference in sound. I had one and then opted for the resonated type $30/$40 from ebay. The resonated ones sounds a lot better IMO.

 

Yeah, i took my cat out and apparently it was in EXCELLENT condition. Mechanic said it looked brand new inside (since he could see through it and such). He said the stock max converter is almost like a highflow. The actual catylist (sp?) material is very minimal inside since i guess the 2 pre-cats from the Y-pipe were there for.

Also, i was dabating about getting one of those high flows, but apparently ive read that they take a dump after a while. It seems today after applying a crapload of gasket sealer around the straight pipe yesterday, its not nearly as raspy. At least not WOT, its when it decends RPMs that it getting a bit metallic until it reaches 4K and down...




Eric

 

Can you explain, did you cover the outside of the pipe with the sealer?

 

No i just put it around the flanges...




Eric

 

Dude , ur friend cant drive and the POS neon is a joke. I didnt present you with any facts and i dont know why u have such an attitude with me. OH SORRY U MUST HAVE GOTTEN BEATEN BY A NEON. MY BAD. Sorry little rice cake.

 

That's something i would be worried about. It's a bit vague about the metal shaving coming out of the exhaust or under the car. If it came out of your exhaust, congratulation that you destoryed your emission exhaust. Number one reason why I don't toy with NOS stuff on cars. Unless you're rich and go to a racing circuit for a sponser. This isn't indy 500 or NASCAR. I know those you guys like to have powerful cars and try to exploit them, what can I say I can't blame ya. Again, each to their own personal preference.

 

Just curious, do you know the specs of the Neon SRT-4?

Just in case you did not know:

CAR & DRIVER

MOTOR TREND

SPORT COMPACT CAR

 

you need to learn a lot.....fast.....

 

i dont think he does.

 

did anyone read what i said about the NEON?
or is this the typical gangbang by the .org click?

i said i havent been following NEONs and from what i knew about them in the past its suprising they have come this far.

for all the others in this thread. sorry for all the cornfusion. i didnt say the NEON wasnt fast, i do not know the mods and i dont really follow that car.

 

Not to totally jump on the "bash the latest moron" bandwagon, but stock 2003 SRT4's put down 215-220 WHP and 245-250 WTQ (that's the low average) and weighs right at 2900 lbs. The last Dakota R/T (2003 model) regular cab weighs 3940 lbs, has a rated crank hp of 250 and a rated crank tq of 345. And you call that lightning fast? It has a 0-60 of about 7.2 seconds at BEST, while the SRT4 has a stock 0-60 in 5.8 seconds (observed). One of my friends 2003 SRT4's has the stage 1 upgrades and now runs 13.6's on street tires at 101 MPH...

So let's review...

Dakota R/T regular cab = slow (0-60 7.2 secs)
2003 SRT4 = pretty darn quick (0-60 5.8 secs)
VQvroom = slow (moron)

I think that about sums it up...

 

Very well, but I suggest that you actually do some research before posting what you think is right. Less harm will come from the discussions that way...

Jumping in without knowledge is not a good thing here. Think along the lines of sharks and piranhas...

 

I read it and understood, that is why I provided those links without any malicious words. Trust me the responses you got are very, very, tame in respect to such ,admittedly so, uninformed yet demeaning statements.

Anyway now you know and knowing is...well you know.

 

I never said that the NEON wasnt fast. I said from my experiences with them in the past Id be embarrased to be beaten by one.

Im a moron? I drive a nissan maxima. We prolly have more in common that you think except for the love and tolerance of NOS.

And the 5.9L R/T i saw in person must have been worked to the bone then. It wasnt the lastest version and it was some time ago.

 

I really didnt mean to attack all of you on this. I have a little bit of gear head in me and have a very low tolerance for RICE.

 

Jumping in ? when did i say the NEON wasnt fast?

What research do i have to do when im talking about something in the past i had a first hand experience with?

 

Uhh.......?

 

VQvroom don't defend yourself you'll just get flamed even more. You really didn't jump in but you did insult a pretty fast car saying that you'll be embarassed and such to lose. Next time just research the car/part before stating anything.

Just my .02

 

Yes I agree ur right. But you wouldnt catch me picking a race with a turbo charged car. And i didnt insult the car i insulted the idiot that relies on NOS for fast times that messed his car up.(all bottle no throttle)

And i cant stress this enuf, i stated something from past experiences with ricey NEONS. Thx for the check.