I admit defeat, Got beaten by 02 supercharged accord coupe. He started 2 cars behind me I punched it when he got to my back bumper had less than half a car on me, my front bumper was right 2 his fender. Im upset, I thought I was going to pull on him really hard. I stopped before 3rd gear ended. I think if I had my lighter wheels on and everything out of my trunk I would have won, either way im not happy.

Things im looking at maybe you guys can tell me if its worth it.

-UDP
-JWT ECU
-Pathfinder TB
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Im staying away from internals, headers and F/I.
NO JUICE EITHER!
I love n/a I think thats the way it should all be.

 

Get that ecu, is you're mevi actually functioning now? The mevi took away some of your low end no matter how much you don't want to admit it, maybe that race shows it. Also did you down shift when you raced? What gear did you start in? Try racing AT THE TRACK, and see what happens from a dead stop. Sometimes if you don't shift well you will get eaten by the crappiest, unworthiest cars on the road.

 

I would keep up with throttle body cleaning and seafoam. Lighter wheels and more weight reduction measure could help too. But on another note, last year I went by the Honda dealer and looked at the 2005 accord sedan and it has a 3.0 rated at 260 hp. If the coupe is a v6 which it probably was, it is a 3.0 rated at 200 stock, ours is 190 stock. With your upgrades you are probably pushing 210-215, he is supercharged probably pushing 275 hp, it would have been a better match up if you were racing him with a g35. I think the accord may also a little bit lighter too. On top of that it could possibly have a vtec.

 

02 is 200 hp 3.0 Vtec. 03 is when they started with the 260 hp accord v6. either way, being he's FI, you shouldnt be too dissapointed.

 

Why would you think you would pull on a supercharged accord?

 

well considering he really idnt get beat that bad.....hondas have no torque so if he got a jump he could have beaten him

 

An 02 S/C'ed Accord should've done better than that against you. What are your mods?

1) JWT ECU - good if you have MEVI or race from a roll
2) Pathfinder TB/UDP - I'd go UDP before P.TB They're both relatively low gain (non-FI) mods and since the UDP is cheaper i'd go with that, especially if the belts need replacing anyways.

LEMAR

 

It was from a roll, He was about 2 cars behind me when he punched it, I was in 1st gear at 4k, he gets right by my rear end prob almost to my rear door, I punch it, bang 2nd by the time 2nd gets to 5k he is already a half a car infront his tail lights are by my passenger side, I hit 3rd start to pull on him very slowely.. Traffic builds up ahead I hit the brakes 1st and at that time he was about a 1/4 of a car infront of me. Im pretty upset because I don't like hondas. I hate civic's and my friend with his 00 v6 ex accord keeps talking smack. I know for a fact he's supercharged because when we pulled up again next to each other he told me and my buddy (who was in the car) that he was supercharged with headers,ecu, exhaust.

 

Yeah the buddy inside my car told me not to be dissappointed in the maxima. he said if the traffic didnt build up I could have pulled on him. I asked a few honda guys and they told me that the guys pulling ended when I started pulling.

 

True I could have, but it was from and roll and he already started 2 car's behind me.

 

Sorry but IMHO, it will take ALOT of mods to handle a properly tuned SC V6 Honda Accord. Just headers on those V6s net 30hp! Seriously. If you REALLY want to do some damage na, the most cost effective na mod would be to do a 3.5VQ sans the VTC assembly. Not easy but it's as easy as this type of stuff is going to get. If you read what these guys do in the 1/4 with just the swap and the stock 4-gen ecu, it's amazing. Deep into the 13s.

 

You SHOULD have lost, so don't be so upset. Hating honda's and losing to one that actually has quite a bit of power is 2 different things. I you raced and S2k would you expect to win?

 

Are you running the stock intake? Just wondering cause they said you lose horses with aftermarket. Plus anyone know the quarter time of the stock accord v6 coupe?

 

Yes i read about these 3.5 swaps. I wish I had the money to do it. Seems like a lot of work. Right now im sticking to working up my 3.0 I doubt he had headers, From the sound of everything it sounded like my friends car, which he only has a catback. His blow-off was pretty sick.

 

your complaining about a superchargered honda bro? yo your lucky you kept up with him, you did a dam good job. i mean if hes running atleast 5pounds thats 50 more horses right there. somethings wrong with his car or either he cant drive because he shouldve blown right past you

 

So they run 13 while we are ..what 15, low 14z.

 

I have a mevi. My friends 4 door 2000 EX v6 accord in auto runs 16.2 stock. I dont know about the 5 speed ones nor the coupes. I know they are pretty quick maybe 15.2 from factory. I tried looking around on www.v6performance.net.

 

If you don't have the $ for a 3.5 longblock swap, then you don't have the $ to mod to hang with this SC accord. The JWT ecu is $500+ right there.

 

I mean stock midpipe and snorkel.

 

Yeah, thats also true But I dont think he was a 5-speed. His shifts were more like an automatic.

 

Motor and trans would run me up more than me doing an ecu with udp. Im not sure but wouldnt I need to get a new y-pipe because it wont work with the 3.5 motor? Then im going to need to buy a 02 ecu. It's going to cost me more in the end but its more of a potential motor.

 

man your car must be real fast then, how many miles you got?

 

stock midpipe with Stillen intake.

 

Could you guys tell me what MEVI means? I'd really like to know as I've seen it mentioned a lot but nothing that really defines what it is. I've even read about 5 pages deep in the old posts and can't seem to find it. If you explain it or just point me to a post that does I would really appreicate it.

Thanks!!http://forums.maxima.org/newreply.ph...e=1&p=3999545#
BowDown1

 

No I have a 14 sec car, that is not fast to me, fast is high 12's very low 13's. Its like these honda kids in my school with k20 motors 15.8 is fast to them..

 

Apples to oranges. Ecu + UDP won't even come close to what a 3.5 can do. And you DON'T need the 02 ecu as I've stated.

I'll repeat. What you need to hang with a sc'd accord that's properly tuned with your stock 3.0 motor will probably end up costing you more than just doing a 3.5 swap. But good luck anyway.

 

Thank you for clearing that up. I was a bit confused on a 3.5 swaps. I would love to do one. Maybe I will or with all that money spent I can just get a 98 SS camaro with an LS1 motor

 

smx95 Jeff is right, i mean it would take some time and money, but youll love it. trust me about 2 seconds off the 1/4 mile is a night and day difference. PLUS THOSE HEADERS on a 2k2 will make it fly bro. the torqu on that car would be soo crazy bro.

 

Do more weight reduction, carbon fiber hood, lightweight wheels, floor carpet liner removal, etc.

 

hell yeah it would LOL. I did search around for a 3.5 motor and trans. I looked at a few pics, and it def looks nice in a 4th gen. Everyone expects you to open your hood and show a 3.0 but then soon realize its swaped to a 3.5 I still have my dreams of owning 400hp RWD V8 monster with that deep nice sound they make :rulls::

 

Hmm I feel loss of power if i switch to 3rd before 6,000 try pushing a lil more out of your 2nd it seems like the best gear on the maxima.

 

From the race it sounds like the accord was probably 4 cylinder.

Anyway here is why you lost. You said he punched it at 2 cars behind you. Let's say you're going 45mph when we gets to your rear bumper. He's punching it so he is probably going 55 by the time he gets to your car. So then you punch it. Well he is already going at least 10 mph faster than you if not more. You get to 50 mph and he is at 60. You get to 60 and he is at 68. So he is already covering more distance at a quicker rate and increasing that because of his speed. Well the only way you're going to gain on him is if you're speed is faster than his speed. My guess is you both probably have similar hp and tq but because of the situation of course he'd win. You could race against a GLE maxima with all options available that was stock but if he started out at a faster speed than you than there is no way you could pass him until you were up high in speed.

 

SMX95 i think you car is probally a high to mid 14 second car. The 14.2 you posted i think is an error on the timing system. 2.4 60ft isn't going to net you 14.2@97mph...... all V6 honda accords are AUTOMATICS expect the latest body style V6 coupe with the 240hp (you can geta a 6speed). I think you should be quite happy that your car kept up with him and he should be quite disappointed. There is a simple solution to this you can supercharge your car and then it would be more evenly matched or you can swap in a 3.5.
My point is his car should be faster than yours and you should not be surprised...

 

SMX, just start saving for the 3.5 swap. It will take time and I think it's worth the wait.

 

for those of us who dont have the means to do the swap ourselves - whats the reliability like? are we going to have mechanics look at us like WTF i cant fix this because youve combined 4th and 5th gen parts? i only ask bc that was the case with someone on the board i read about a couple weeks ago.

edit - also assuming that accord is VTEC, he should have pulled. you were right in his optimal RPM range for engagement. i miss my accord, but not more than i love my max.

 

No ave mechanic is going to have the 1st clue on how to do something like this. Only someone that has actually performed something like this is going to know how. Unless you come to someone with DETAILED instructions and a highly skilled mechanic that knows wtf they are doing. Even then you have to find someone that's WILLING to do something like this. Finding someone that has all those qualities WON'T be cheap. But once they do it once, they should be able repeat it fairly easily.

 

yea i hope to get a connection for the swap - im talking maintenance tho that i cant do in my garage (not the actual swap), or is the answer still the same?

 

Weight Reduction!!!!!!!!!!!

 

fawk it just do what i do, get a 100 shot of wet nitrous oxide

 

thats kinda cheating in a way. and when you blow your engine cause you shot wet nos. At least be smart and shoot DRY nos. i'd pull over in and laugh in your face no matter what KIND of car you have. won't matter if it would be a 82 civic or a 05 viper.

plus i used to have an accord and i loved it. everything in it was nice. but i dunno who would win. my old accord or my i30 now. i think my accord would def win after all modded since i can gain so much horsepower from mods. i30 cold air, 1-5 horses, headers + y pipe, 5-10 horses, no cat- 3-5 horses, catback, 5-10 horses. according to my calculation hp gain would only be around 20-25 horses. but with JUST the intake and headers with no cat on a honda would already be like 30 horses. plus the catback, would make it an easy 40 horses.

like another orger said, 02 V6 accord is 200 horses which came ONLY in automatic. you can also tell if its a V6 or a I4 by looking on the wheels of an accord, 4 lug = I4,5 lug = V6. don't be fooled by single or dual exhaust...i had a single exhaust on my V6, it was sweet. what a sleeper. but you shouldn't be upset, spend what he spent on the supercharger and you'll be able to keep up or beat him. but hey, money is the key to everything making a car fast.