ok so from what everyone says about the 5th gen clutch that its the best way to go?? how is it so inexpensive where some performance clutchs are like 400 bucks?? wats the point in the performance clutch is it any better or just a waste of money?? and the 5th gen clutch kit from everythingnissan.com or something for comes with everything i need for a 98 max?

 

$210 or so for the parts from www.nissanparts.cc

It's a better clutch than the 4th gen as it's designed to hold more power. Third gear is stronger.

 

Sorry to brake the topic but whts better: the 5th gen clutch or ACT stage 1??

 

i've read of a lot of happy people using the 5th gen clutch setup. its quite a bit stronger and smoother clutch than the 4th gen clutch. i actually have a 5th gen clutch kit for sale if you are interested. see my thread:

http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=408335

 

Just put in my 5th gen clutch 4 days ago. I'm still breaking in the new clutch but so far, I'm very happy with it. BTW, you didn't need to start a new thread about this because there's already a thorough discussion going on with it here. Everything you need to know will be in this thread. And if your questions aren't answered, I'm sure eventually it will be as many who are changing the clutch on their transmissions using the 5th gen one will be posting their feedback here.

 

what if i have headers, and cold air, and i wanna put more mods in like new flywheel, pulley, and soon exhaust...will 5th gen clutch still be ok??

 

an aftermarket clutch usually wears out much quicker than an OEM. If you dont boost or juice then you will never need any other clutch.

 

This May be a misunderstanding but no clutch I have ever changed has had "gears"...

 

.. I think he's talking about the 5th gen tranny (and third gear being stronger on it)

 

Quiet you. lol

 

Right now, I have an SPEC stage 1 clutch with Fidanza flywheel, and the clutch keeps slipping after 1500 miles, I tried two 500 mile breakin periods. Am I just being stupid and not giving it enough time? or should I look into getting a different clutch like a 5th gen? Wouldn't the one I have be better than the 5th gen? right now, 2nd gear slips bad during hard acceleration and shifting is bad into fourth too. It still vibrates at idle too, but I think that's the flywheel because the mech had to tap and die the timing ring onto the new one...

 

What about 5th gen clutch with fidanza alluminium flywheel? is it ok to use it together?if not, then whats better?Thanks

 

500 miles after the 5th gen clutch/4th gen pressure plate/stock flywheel install, my car never slipped during and after break-in period. The clutch grabs a lot harder now. No slipping whatsoever.

I think I30ds is putting a 5th gen clutch with Fidanza fw in his infinity. You might want to PM him for more details.

 

DR-Max: Thanks

 

i heard about bogging issues with a lightened flywheel.

 

Later on after I posted the comments above, I decided to do some spirited driving. While enjoying a nice afternoon drive down Pacific Coast Highway, an older model Acura Legend started toying with me. Since traffic was unusually light and is no longer quota time for the local PD, I gave it a go. We hit a traffic light and set-up for the launch. The rest was sheer amazement. Not only did I burn this guy badly, I was chirpin my tires up until 3rd gear. Due to my so so tires, I am also able to very easily break the tires loose on first even if I'm not trying to. Anyhow, the grab on this 5th gen clutch is superb. Of course, I'm not juiced or boosted but I have some of the basic bolt-on, go-fast mods. Now I'm ready for new suspension.

 

I see that you have 5th gen clutch and 4th gen pressure plate....any particular reason for that or I can use a 5th gen plate? And where would you recommend to buy the clutch? Thanks

 

It's a long story but if you feel like reading, here it is.

 

DR-max: i read most of your experience, and im just wondering, do you think its worth it to get a 5th gen for a 95 maxima? im not sure how much i have left in my clutch. i got my maxima about a month ago, and i have engine mount problems and control arm problems, but lately i havent been able to chirp second, i got new tires, and when they were first put on i could chirp, but now three days later i cant. could that be my clutch? it doesnt slip and i can drop it, but i was just wondering, is it the clutch,?

 

If your mounts and suspension components are already bad before the new tires were put in, perhaps the fact that the new tires are grabbing a lot more is making your problem worse. Why? The bad mounts will give you wheel hops. The harder you launch, the worse the wheel hop gets. That's very bad for your transmission by the way. As for control arms, I'd replace that if I were you because that means your alignment is off and your new tires will not last as long. Additionally, if I was in your shoes, I would totally avoid launching hard and trying to constantly make your tires chirp. It will quickly worsen your problems and it puts a lot of stress on your transmission and differentials. It always wears on the clutch more. I usually don't launch hard and make my tires chirp, I just did it once to see how the new clutch performs after break-in period. I wasn't even trying to break the tires loose. I just launched the usual way I would have before but what I totally forgot is that before the new clutch, launch is totally different where I have to take off at a higher RPM. Now I totally don't have to because if I do that, I would break the tires loose......guaranteed. Lastly, if you really want to know if your clutch is going out on you, read this. Ultimately, I knew my suspisions were correct when I pulled out my transmission and get a good look of the clutch. The old clutch was worn down to the rivets and gouched the pressure plate pretty badly. It could have been worse, but why drive it til your car is totally out! Delaying the repairs can only make things worse and more expensive in the long run.

 

So, can I buy 5th gen clutch and 4th gen pressure plate separatly or I would have to buy two kits(5th and 4th)??

 

the clutch and pressure plate are usually sold separately.

 

Oops, thanks , what would you recommend to change with the clutch and WHERE is it better to buy all this stuff?Thanks

 

Wait a minute, so you're using a 5th gen. disk, but fourth gen. clutch cover/pressure plate? Maybe it's me, but that shouldn't see any better grab than a 4th gen. oem clutch since it's the 5th gen. pressure plate the clamps with more force...
But you are reinforcing most everyone's suspicion that OEM is the best if you're staying N/A.
Just to clear things up, the ideal setup is 5th gen. Pressure Plate/Clutch Cover, Throwout bearing, and disk. That's the setup that will gain more clamping force, which is what I have.

 

Go to the link I posted last. The whole story is there. Initially I ordered the 5th gen clutch cover, 5th gen clutch, release bearing, and pilot bushing. They sent me the wrong cover. If you want to know the outcome, just read the thread.

 

Guys! I want to change the clutch myself for the first time on the car(have some experience with the bikes) and would like to ask you for the tips and if you can recommend a writeup for that.....I know that its in the stickies but I just wanted to get some different opinions
P.S. And I am going to use a 5th gen one so is there any fitment issues I should know about or its just plug&play if I can say so...

Thanks

 

i was going to say something, but it looks as though its been covered.

 

When you order the clutch parts, make sure you use the part #'s in post #66 of this thread.

Write up with pics here. Everything should fit w/o any problems as long as they gave you the correct parts. Make sure to check the part#'s on the invoice and boxes when you get them in. I don't want you to go thru what I did, they sent me the wrong cover and didn't realize it until later on when I was trying to install the new cover. The only thing I'd like to add is the preceeding steps before you get to the transmission, sorry I don't have any pictures for this:

1) Remove car battery
2) Remove air intake assembly: snorkel, airbox, and all
3) Unplug any electrical connections for the transmission
4) Detach the slave cylinder and hose from the transmission, don't disconnect any of the lines as you will loose hydraulic pressure and would have to bleed the system after
5) Disconnect the engine mount that's on the transmission
6) Jack and put the car on stands
7) Remove front wheels
8) Disconnect lower ball joints
9) Disconnect outter tie rods
10) Drain transmission fluid (if you want to reuse it, use a pan to catch it)
10) Pull out both driverside and passenger side axles
11) Remove all bolts holding the tranny to the engine and pull it out


Good luck!

 

overall which is better 4th or 5th gen if your just talking about the clutch?, and what if you want a lw flywheel?

 

sdoherty_tjm:read this thread from the beginning!!

And here is about flywheel

http://www.forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=409418

 

Thanks DR-Max and just one more question :what is your overall rating of how hard it is to do it and do I need anybody to help me or I can do it by myself(I mean like physically)

 

Well it depends on many things. I happened to have a friend that owns a transmission shop and he's been in the business for 10 years. With a hydraulic lift and air tools in our disposal, tranny removal took us less than an hour. Putting it back took another hour. We had to wait 30 mins to get the flywheel resurfaced. Putting the clutch, cover, and bearing in was a piece of cake. The only set back was that Pinnacle sent me the wrong cover, thus I ended up using a 4th gen cover vs. the 5th gen. This delayed me a day. The link I posted earlier has comparison photos of the 4th and 5th covers, they look almost identical. The diaphragm looks exactly the same so I have concluded that clamping on the 5th gen is the same or a tad better than the 4th gen. You'd definitely need a second guy especially when lowering and raising the transmission.

 

Can anyone give me all part numbers needed for the clutch and pressure plate and etc.(5th gen) as I am going to order it in the next few days? Thanks

 

Nobody?C'mon guys, I really need it!!

 

It's already been posted in this thread, post #28.

 

Oops, my bad...But I have seen it already!Thanks anyway

 

Has anyone with the 5th gen clutch dyno to see the hp and torque improvement?

 

There won't be any. It's mainly for those who want a clutch that was designed to hold a little more power than the stock 4th gen clutch but don't want the "reliability of an aftermarket unit.

 

Hey guys, I am sorry to bring this thread from the dead but could anyone give me the correct part numbers, because those DR-Max gave when I eneter them at PinnacleNissan.com shows that release bearing is for the 3.5 2002 altima??????Here are the part numbers DR-Max gave:

1. Release bearing - 30502-41U20
2. Clutch Disc (old #)- 30100-2Y904; new #-C0100-6E600
3. Clutch Cover/Pressure Plate - 30210-89F00

 

Directly posted from another thread: These numbers were good numbers when I was the third to have this clutch kit installed. I think the thread at the bottom of the post (I'll post a link) will have the updated numbers.

I'm going to take this opportunity to try to straighten out all these misconceptions.

The 5th gen. clutch setup is a DIRECT fit. If you're looking into this setup, you know that it provides better clamping force when compared to the 4th gen. setup. The 5th gen. Clutch Cover/Pressure Plate is what gives it that extra clamping force. (In previous threads, members have gotten the impression that they should be using the 4th gen. PP, and 5th gen. clutch disk. THIS WILL NOT GIVE YOU ANY BETTER PERFORMANCE THAN THE REGULAR 4TH GEN SETUP!!!).
If you want the 5th gen. clutch setup, you need the 5th gen. Clutch Cover/Pressure Plate. This non-key value part number is: 30210-89F00. (This is the part # from a stock early model 2000-2001. They switched #'s part of the way through the 2000-2001 years, and as of now I don't know if anyone has tried the updated part, and therefore I don't have that part number). (edit: see bottom of post!!!)
You can choose to either buy the 4th gen. T.O. Bearing or the 5th gen T.O. Bearing. This part is known also as the release bearing. The p/n is 30502-41U20, and IIRC there is no difference between the bearings. (Feel free to shed some light on this).
You can also choose to use either the 4th gen. clutch disk or the 5th gen. clutch disk: THEY BOTH FIT IN THE 5th gen PP. JSutter used the 4th gen. clutch disk; p/n for 4th gen. clutch disk is: 30100-40U14 . Myself and 96stillenmax have the complete 5th gen. clutch setup, including disk. The p/n for the 5th gen. clutch disk is 30100-2Y904 .
When ordering, somehow the wrong stuff has been shipped. INSIST on these numbers, and/or ensure that they are sending you the correct kit. I'm unsure of whether or not the numbers have changed, but giving them the old numbers should yield a correct shipment.
Feel free to add onto this (any other O.G.'s of the fifth gen. setup...haha).

edit: I read through the original JSutter post, and found some info. on the different 5th gen. PP's. Dave B suggests the early model Pressure Plate, the p/n listed above, instead of the later PP due to the early one being thicker.

http://forum.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=413529

edit: those numbers are the ones in nadir's thread, I'd suggest you call and talk directly with the dealership you will be dealing with in order to get the correct parts.

edit again: Dr-Max, if you read what I wrote, this is NOT a stab at you. But when I was reading this thread when it was current, and when I replied before, Dumkuh got the impression he was to use the 4th gen. PP and 5th gen. clutch disk as if that was the true 5th gen. upgrade. Looking back on it, my bad for the confusion at the time, I was just trying to ensure members did not order the incorrect parts for what they wanted to put in.