http://www.autoblog.com/2007/04/18/n...2010/#comments

Very sorry if this was already posted or if this is the wrong section for it...

However, this idea is very intriguing. What do you guys think?

 

I just read it as well. I think it's great that the Diesel Maxima is coming back!

I still remember the first-gen Diesel Maxima with the LD28 engine. With modern technology, I think it will be a very good car.

 

Nail in the coffin.

 

iduno how deasel engines react in cars, but we'll see when this drops. i only know of the old school mercades with one lol

 

nice, two of the same threads, with the same links...in one day

 

Actually, there are 3, but it doesn't matter, does it?

 

No Cummins no care

 

Swap? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ?

 

I know you've heard of/seen a Golf or Jetta TDI..

 

or old mercedes, or the numerous models offered in europe that have done pretty well. if it didnt already work it wouldnt be spreading

 

MANY cars in Europe, esp the Benzs and BMWs, have been using diesel engines for a while. It's good, relatively clean and efficient power....all of which is overshadowed byt he fact that people think of diesels in 18-wheelers only.

 

my dad had a jetta tdi for a while. those things are slow as ****. I hope the new maxima wont be that slow.

 

The max sort-of seems like the wrong car for a diesel, no? Its been marketed as the "sports-sedan" because it has 30 or 40 more horse than most other cars in its class. In terms of luxury its moderate, handling is also kinda moderate and I think ride quality has always been middle of the road too. They've never been terribly efficient cars either, so I just don't understand where the diesel fits in at all.

You usually see diesel these days marketed in cars that are small and efficient or in larger cars that can benefit (land rover is a decent and recent example) from increased mileage if the user is willing to sacrifice the horse.

Seems like if you take the "pep" away from a max you're really not left with a whole lot that specifically attracts you to it considering the other cars in the class.

Just my .02

 

Honda has a diesel accord in europe for their current model. BMW has a diesel in their new 5-series for those of you who have top gear they tested it up against the V8 5-series a while back and it did very well surprisingly.I would buy one if it wasn't slow and I'd put my own biodiesel in it FTW!

 

From the things Ghosn is saying, I found this to be a very promising development. He emphasized that, as the Maxima is their flagship sports sedan, the diesel would have to be very powerful. That sounds good.

Since the 2010 diesel release will coincide with the release of generation 7.6 model year 2011 Maxima, that tells me Nissan plans to keep a strong sporting edge in our Maxima instead of going all-luxury. At least for the next five years.

Overall, I was very encouraged by this announcement.



Edit - In skimming the other posts (mostly now locked) on the ORG concerning this announcement, it seems there are some who equate diesels with the old smoky, stinky, weak, noisy diesels of the past. Those folks need to come on up to the third millenium. The better modern diesels have little or none of those former traits, have better torque at lower RPMs than gasoline engines, giving the potential for excellent accelleration, get better fuel mileage, and are going to become much more numerous in coming years.

Goshn actually used the words 'extremely powerful' in delineating what the diesel engine in the Maxima would have to be. The fact he referred to a Maxima several years in our future as Nissan's 'flagship SPORTS sedan' should ease the growing feeling here that the Maxima was going to become a 'Buick rival'.

I have a close friend who had a 1983 Maxima diesel, and he still says it was the best car he ever owned.

I must say this announcement relieves my concern the Maxima would drop its sporting edge. I look forward to the Maxima diesel with great interest.

 

mmmmm.... propane injection=power.

 

I'm still skeptical of them, but perhaps 5 more years of quality engineering will change my mind. Back in Germany I drove diesel cars all the time (yes, modern ones). You could get the diesel version of pretty much any new car. They were decent, but you didn't buy them for power, you bought them because they got great mileage and were pretty clean for the enviornment (they tax you on that over there). Some of the direct-injected VW's were probably the best diesels I drove (I belive they were forced induction of some type, however). The diesel engines were always sold as the "base model" engine and were hardly ever quicker than the gas model. Diesel engines require heavier rotating mass, more cooling capacity (18-24:1 compression vs 8-10 on gas) and have heavier blocks and heads due to the stresses of burning diesel. They still have a ways to go to match the performance of gas motors, but they are generally cleaner, more efficient and for the most part more reliable, from my experience.

 

Please god make it a turbo diesel!

 

Diesels get great gas mileage. Plus no premium like the hybrids FTW.

Madsci lets face it. The Maxima is not the sports sedan it once was it's the Altima's turn. If Nissan doesn't offer the diesel for the Altima this would actually differentiate the two cars a little bit at least.

The new Altima design just made it look even closer to the Maxima. Nissan needs to first do something about the Max and make it look completely different from it's younger sibling. Then offer VQ35/40 whatever it will be at that point and the diesel. And maybe bring back a manual gearbox option

 

Diesel???..............still thinking about it.

 

Diesels are not what they are used to be (good thing). Checkout AUDI's site and you'll change your perspective. If only the fuel was offered anywhere in the city. Its like only 1 out of 20 stations carry diesel.

I don't have the link here but you should find on Audi's website a diesel based automobile racing a fighter jet. Yep, you are reading it right.

 

The Audi R10. Read and cry. This is an marvel of what diesel technology can do.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R10

It has been undefeated in the American Le Mans series until just this month when it did not finish first, but seventh to Porsche RS Spyders on the 14th at the Long Beach Gran Prix. Not to be outdone, it STILL finished first in it's class.

Getting back to the Maxima as a diesel... just means more added weight and lower revs, but who knows what kind of tuning capabilities there will be with this new engine. Does anyone know if Nissan will be R&Ding this motor from the ground up or if they may just slap it in from a European or Japanese model that had a diesel?

 

i hope they just dont make it diesel only. do you guys think they might do that?

i still like the idea of this a lot though

 

It seems like a funny decision to use the Maxima as the car to put the diessel engine in. Diesel is typically marketed as being fuel-efficient so I would think the Sentra or Versa would be a better fit.

 

The Maxima will not be diesel-only anytime soon. Nissan knows they took a big chance going all-CVT, which cost them some longtime Maxima loyalists. To go diesel-only would turn away lots more fans who swear by the Maxima. Won't happen.

Another reason diesel-only is not an option is that there are many places where diesel is not that easy to obtain. Downtown urban areas, for instance. Even in rural areas, usually only one station in each small downtown has diesel, and it may not be the station that stays open late.

Yes, diesel engines are famous for fuel efficiency. But they are also know for strength. And Ghosn was very specific that the diesel in the Maxima had to be 'extremely strong', as the Maxima was Nissan's 'flagship sports sedan'. I would not be surprised in the least if the diesel Maxima was equal to the gas Maxima in accelleration, and still came in with a higher MPG. We shall see.

Giving us the option between gasoline and diesel with the 7.5 gen Maxima surely ends any (unrealistic) hopes that Nissan might bring back manual trannies in the Maxima; that would present an unrealistic number of major options for a vehicle which they have programmed to sell only between 80 and 100K.

By contrast, Nissan hopes to sell around 250K Altimas, which enables more major options, including manuals.

To be honest, already knowing the Maxima was being moved up to a true sports-luxury vehicle had already eliminated any possibility of bringing back the manual tranny. With vehicles costing around 35K or more that claim to be 'luxurious' family sedans, probably around 1 to 2% of purchasers would opt for the manual. Producing one would hence be an unprofitable venture.

I feel Nissan still plans to have the Infiniti as the RWD division, so, in my opinion, the biggest question left with the Maxima is when an AWD option will appear. That could happen as soon as spring of 2008 when the 7th gen Maxima arrives as a model year 2009.

I will look closely at the 2009, but may wait for the 7.5 gen diesel, which should arrive in late spring/early summer 2010 as model year 2011.

I realize these rapidly changing times have many Maxima fans concerned about what is going on, and questioning the future of the Maxima. I feel the Maxima will not only be fine, but will continue to be an admired and desired vehicle for those who want a sporting and stylistic edge on their transportation.

 

The new Mercedes diesel is said to be very quiet and very quick beside the increase fuel enconmy

 

MB Diesel I wouldn't say is "very quick", but it does move at a pretty good pace. It has 400ft-lbs of torque at 1600rpms which helps move nicely. C&D said it actually feels quicker than the E550, but in reality it is no where near the pace.

And there is no way Nissan is going to make the Maxima diesel only. For one all the other car makers that do offer diesel here offer several other engine types on the same model why would Nissan limit the Max to just diesel??

 

THis is extremely accurate forethought on Nissan's part and here's why: You will see that more and more companies are going to advertize that their cars or products are less dependant on foreign oil. Like bumper stickers on Prius's that say "Bin Laden hates this car."

They won't be focusing on saving the environment or miles per gallon per se, just another way to use less fuel from the middle east. This will become a hot-bed issue right around the US elections in 2008. Then just a few years later you will see a whole host of products from car companies that will support this movement.

Assuming the diesel maxima will take a bio-fuel, then this is a great move at the right time.

 

most of the diesel first generations i see in the junk yard have more than 250,000 miles on them and thats pretty old tech there.

the most i have seen on a junk diesel is 525,000.

but usually when a car is in the junkyard its in there for a reason eh?
at the same time newer cars seem to be lasting much longer

 

Luckily, I don't have to wait until 2010 . Just bought an 82 Maxima diesel wagon and I LOVE it . I haven't burned enough fuel to calculate the mileage accurately yet but, so far it looks like it's going to come in at around 35/MPG. I'm not unhappy with this car's power at all. Granted, if you are looking for a fast car a diesel is probably not what you want. However, this car is not like riding a snail. As far as normal driving goes, you probably wouldn't even notice that it was a diesel if not for the clattering.

 

wow! 82?! you can get historic tags for that peice of work!

 

I think this is a great idea. It will bring in more Maxima buyers to get the volume, as long as the gasoline engine choices are at least 300hp with a 6-speed manual.

It really is unfair to compare a diesel to the one from 25 years ago. That's just like comparing gasoline engines to ones from 25 years ago. The new diesels have gotten much better, have much lower emissions, and many are pretty quiet that you might not even notice the 'klikety klak' you hear with diesels. BMW has a 3 series diesel that accelerates just as fast as the 3.0 gas engine! Nissan is not new to the diesel game, so I'm sure what they come out with will be as good as anything on the road if not better.

 

I would be open to try a diesel car, my concern would be the winter time when they have problems with the fuel gelling and then not running.

 

Not the problem it used to be. You're thinking of a diesel from 1988 and trying to compare it to technologies from 2007. They do not have those problems and you should have none of those issues.

 

i have a 2000 nissan maxima that has fuel problem any one can help

 

can any one tell me were to get ans i am new to this site

 

For the most part, you will not get the correct answer here. All anyone will do is speculate, guess, or sound like they know what they are talking about. The truth is, there are many variables and it needs to be looked at by a mechanic who knows what he is doing. I could tell a doctor over the phone that my chest hurts and get 50 different reasons from 50 people. None are right until it's checked out. Same with the car. Sorry to say, it will cost you some money.

 

If it actually happens, I hope it's turbo'd.

 

No doubt it will be turbo as that is necessary to get any kind of performance. It's not on their for reasons like on a gasoline engine, it's necessary. Trust me, you don't want to drive a diesel without a turbo!

 

Rion, click on this link........
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread.php?t=487272


Back to topic, if gas does rise to $4/gallon this year, I'm going to be really interested in the diesel option...of course, we may have quite a few more choices by 2010....