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Old Jul 21, 2007 | 08:12 PM
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Hydraulic Clutch line

This seems like the closest section that can answer this riddle.

I've just converted my B14 to hydraulic clutch. The transmission is an A33 3.5, the clutch petal and MC is from a SpecV (it was a closer fit than the A33 petal). My next step is to connect the master cylinder to the slave cylinder.

I still have the hard line and the rubber line necessary for the install, but the hard line is crazy. First off, the hard line is like 10 feet long if stretched out, it goes in every which direction, ends up at a hub, and so on, I don't exactly get the point of so much tubing....Also, the rubber line is capable of being replaced with a stainless line.

All I can tell you is I'm cramped for room. Is it possible to run a single high-pressure length of stainless braid from the MC to the SC? Are there any disadvantages to this? For example petal feel?

The only point I can imagine for all that tubing is there's some sort of valve that prevents the clutch petal from feeling like the brake petal.

Can someone supply some information, please?
Old Jul 21, 2007 | 08:21 PM
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I have SS braided clutch line from the end of the hardline (from the MC) to the slave cylinder, which eliminates the cube-shaped device that comes on the car. I don't see any real problem with running a ss line all the way from the MC to SC, although you could always just get a brake line bending tool (cheap) and bend some hardline to a flange that would meet the ss line?

I'll leave this thread here, but you'd probably get more useful information in (perhaps) the all-motor section or even the general section.

let me know if you want me to move the thread.
Old Jul 21, 2007 | 08:40 PM
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What exactly does that little cube device do?
Old Jul 21, 2007 | 08:51 PM
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What exactly does that little cube device do?
not sure. there has been some discussion that it is some kind of "distribution block" but that doesn't make much sense. I suspect it's some kind of pressure valve or something, but I haven't noticed anything different when bypassing it
Old Jul 23, 2007 | 11:50 PM
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I theorize that it reduced clutch pedal feedback such as chattering.
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Old Jul 24, 2007 | 12:19 AM
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hmmm, sounds good. So if I wanted to, I could have a single braided line straight from the master cyl. to the slave cyl. with no problems?

Wouldn't the clutch petal feel like a brake petal once the clutch fork reached full distance?
Old Jul 24, 2007 | 06:43 AM
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not sure. there has been some discussion that it is some kind of "distribution block" but that doesn't make much sense. I suspect it's some kind of pressure valve or something, but I haven't noticed anything different when bypassing it
sometimes engineers do things to keep things in place....like the cold start coolant line on the 4th gens that is connected to the Intake Manifold....it doesn't go anywhere but right through it...there is nothing in there...after you take off your IM a few times...you get disgusted and just buy some hose and run it direct into the TB, skipping the IM altogether.
Old Jul 24, 2007 | 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 1997 GA16DE
hmmm, sounds good. So if I wanted to, I could have a single braided line straight from the master cyl. to the slave cyl. with no problems?

Wouldn't the clutch petal feel like a brake petal once the clutch fork reached full distance?
I am running a SS clutch line from master to slave. I removed all of the hardlines in between, saved lots of space and a bit of weight. I think the excessive hardlines are there just to dampen vibrations from the engine/tranny. When I switched to the SS line, I noticed a very slight increase in vibration (when your foot rests on the pedal), but beyond that nothing else was different. If I didn't tell you I had an SS line, I doubt most people would even notice the difference.
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very nice. was the SS line custom made or does someone already make it?
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bump. Where can I get a full-length ss clutch line from cylinder to cylinder?
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 1997 GA16DE
bump. Where can I get a full-length ss clutch line from cylinder to cylinder?
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....ghlight=clutch
Old Jul 28, 2007 | 11:51 PM
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He doesn't make them anymore
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Old Aug 18, 2007 | 09:24 PM
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I'm gonna ask anyway. Anyone got pix?
Old Aug 19, 2007 | 07:46 AM
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the fittings you need are a male 10mm inverted flare for your master cyl, and (I think) a 10mm banjo for the slave cyl. it depends on the car the slave cyl came from, and I don't know for sure what the VQ series engines use. pretty sure its a banjo tho.

take a piece of tubing or vacuum line and stretch it around the engine bay to see how long of a tube you need to make. then call up technafit or look around online for custom brake lines- there's tons of places that can build you one for a decent price.
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Originally Posted by Matt93SE
the fittings you need are a male 10mm inverted flare for your master cyl, and (I think) a 10mm banjo for the slave cyl. it depends on the car the slave cyl came from, and I don't know for sure what the VQ series engines use. pretty sure its a banjo tho.

take a piece of tubing or vacuum line and stretch it around the engine bay to see how long of a tube you need to make. then call up technafit or look around online for custom brake lines- there's tons of places that can build you one for a decent price.
can you convert that fitting to something other than a banjo?
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depends on the slave cylinder and the tooling you have.
Old Aug 20, 2007 | 06:29 AM
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I asked for a 4th gen brake line schematic, anyone have one over here? I plan to make a hard line from the master to the slave, but since my time is pressed, I'm not thrilled about taking my stuff apart to figure everything out.
Old Aug 20, 2007 | 11:39 AM
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What's wrong with the banjo?

Damn, I wish somebody could make it on here. I don't really want to go out and mess with more custom stuff.
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I gave a company a call, they were wondering what the inner and outer diameter of the line should be.
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What's wrong with the banjo?

Damn, I wish somebody could make it on here. I don't really want to go out and mess with more custom stuff.
Nothing is wrong with it, other than I have access to a million fittings where I work, along with hp tubing, but we never use banjo fittings....for anything....ever....
Old Aug 21, 2007 | 07:14 AM
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I ordered a line from techna-fit, only $20+ship. I took a rope and measured, 3.5ft for my needs.
Old Aug 24, 2007 | 02:19 PM
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use -3 or -4 AN size line for it. standard brake line braided steel over teflon brake line. this isn't rocket science.
Old Aug 25, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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take pics of your install
of what you did and everything
Old Aug 25, 2007 | 05:53 PM
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I assume it'll be here Monday or so, will do.
Old Aug 29, 2007 | 11:18 PM
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here you go:

Old Aug 30, 2007 | 11:22 AM
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Very cool! Did it come w/the banjo bolt?
BTW, what did you use to fill your tranny mount?

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Old Aug 31, 2007 | 08:42 AM
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what's with the orange spaghetti?
Old Aug 31, 2007 | 01:08 PM
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the tranny mount is polyurethane from local shop, I don't recommend it, I'm prolly going to replace it with better quality stuff.

The orange spaghetti will eventually become part of the harness. the upper wire is the thermo sensor and the lower wires are the speed sensors.
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