3rd Generation Maxima (1989-1994) Learn more about the 3rd Generation Maxima here.

Idle Bad when cold, Improves with warmup..

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Nov 16, 2007 | 01:41 PM
  #1  
92gxe/cg2's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 464
From: Chicago
Idle Bad when cold, Improves with warmup..

When i first start my car after sitting the idle seems to be rough. Like its misfiring every other second or so. After the car warms up or gets warmer the idle gets better. When it was warmer out the idle seemed to be good just about always too. So i was thinking something metal is the problem. When its cold the metal part is contracted and making less contact, and once it gets warm it expands creating a better connection? just a theory. Maybe its my wires or something simple?
Old Nov 16, 2007 | 04:41 PM
  #2  
Darkwing48's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 770
From: Compton, CA
Somewhere it is said for older cars should not be "quick started". Which means that the vehicle should not be in motion (Our for some people, in high revs or acceleration) without the Maxima reaching operating temperature. For me, that means just as long as the temp gauge needle is not in the lowest position. One time I stalled my car by quickstarting. I could put it in D without warming it up.

Anyone else have any ideas?
Old Nov 16, 2007 | 04:46 PM
  #3  
maxima-junky's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,114
From: New York
I'm not saying this is the problem. When I had that same problem I replaced my air idle control valve.
Old Nov 16, 2007 | 07:16 PM
  #4  
max_freak's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 18
Don't want to derail, but I have the reverse problem. My 93 GXE idles like a dream when it's cold started. When the engine warms up, however, it idles horrible and I think it runs rich because I can smell gas in the exhaust. I swapped out spark plugs, distributer cap and rotor, PCV valve and CTS. Does anybody know what could be up ?
Old Nov 16, 2007 | 08:17 PM
  #5  
LvR's Avatar
LvR
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,205
From: Pretoria - South Africa
In both cases try ECT sensor and IACV

92gxe/cg2 - all your vacuum hoses in good condition and properly connected?

Darkwing48 - I too don't like to use anything near full power (even half is too much imo) on a cold engine and especially old and cold auto box, but there is no real reason not to start moving the vehicle soon as its started - it was made to be able to handle that situation
Old Nov 16, 2007 | 08:24 PM
  #6  
92gxe/cg2's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 464
From: Chicago
Originally Posted by LvR
In both cases try ECT sensor and IACV

92gxe/cg2 - all your vacuum hoses in good condition and properly connected?

Darkwing48 - I too don't like to use anything near full power (even half is too much imo) on a cold engine and especially old and cold auto box, but there is no real reason not to start moving the vehicle soon as its started - it was made to be able to handle that situation
Yes my vacuum hoses are fine, and all that. Ive heard about the ECT (engine coolant temp??) sensor before and would liek to replace mine to see what happens. Where is this sensor at, what does it do that could interfere with the idle and how do i chagne it out? I believe i heard it was a simple sensor u just pull out but dont know for sure. i also highly doubt theres aynthing wrong with my IACV just to put that out there..
Old Nov 16, 2007 | 08:56 PM
  #7  
Maxteca's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 288
Originally Posted by 92gxe/cg2
Yes my vacuum hoses are fine, and all that. Ive heard about the ECT (engine coolant temp??) sensor before and would liek to replace mine to see what happens. Where is this sensor at, what does it do that could interfere with the idle and how do i chagne it out? I believe i heard it was a simple sensor u just pull out but dont know for sure. i also highly doubt theres aynthing wrong with my IACV just to put that out there..
Its buy the t stat you can't miss it it has a plug going to it I think the plug is yellow.



Last edited by Maxteca; Nov 16, 2007 at 10:03 PM.
Old Nov 16, 2007 | 10:03 PM
  #8  
Maxteca's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 288
I hope the pics help you out.
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 12:22 AM
  #9  
gapboi210's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,155
From: Austin
How hard is the IACV to clean?* Pics would be great
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 06:01 AM
  #10  
max_freak's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 18
Could it also be the EGR temp sensor or is that not likely ?
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 08:46 AM
  #11  
Maxteca's Avatar
Banned
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 288
Originally Posted by gapboi210
How hard is the IACV to clean?* Pics would be great
Not hard at all I used brake clean on mine. Just make sure you get the IACV gasket. And as far as the EGR temp sensor I would not think it would be that but I could be wrong.
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 09:29 AM
  #12  
92gxe/cg2's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 464
From: Chicago
alright, thanks for the pics and info guys, concerting the ECT sensor, what should i do, replace it or clean the connector? or try the latter first...
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 01:39 PM
  #13  
gapboi210's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,155
From: Austin
which one is the IACV?
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 03:36 PM
  #14  
Greeny's Avatar
¯\(°_o)/¯
iTrader: (43)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 64,424
From: Tunasea
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 03:54 PM
  #15  
gapboi210's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,155
From: Austin
I had a feeling that was it. I was afraid to pull it off incase there is something that is springloaded or has to go in the exact way it came out.
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 03:58 PM
  #16  
Greeny's Avatar
¯\(°_o)/¯
iTrader: (43)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 64,424
From: Tunasea
Originally Posted by gapboi210
I had a feeling that was it. I was afraid to pull it off incase there is something that is springloaded or has to go in the exact way it came out.
Naw,nothing is going to go flying across the garage when you remove it.

Just be sure to buy new gaskets before you take it apart to clean/replace..
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 05:23 PM
  #17  
max_freak's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 18
So I guess you pull it off and then spray the insides with brake cleaner... Do you have to order the gasket from the factory or can you get it from Autozone or something ?
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 05:39 PM
  #18  
Greeny's Avatar
¯\(°_o)/¯
iTrader: (43)
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 64,424
From: Tunasea
Originally Posted by max_freak
So I guess you pull it off and then spray the insides with brake cleaner... Do you have to order the gasket from the factory or can you get it from Autozone or something ?
No...Not brake cleaner..Throttle body cleaner..
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 07:08 PM
  #19  
gapboi210's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,155
From: Austin
there is more than 1 gasket?
Old Nov 17, 2007 | 11:06 PM
  #20  
CapedCadaver's Avatar
Call me Wookiee Goldberg
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 43,322
From: Central NC
Originally Posted by gapboi210
there is more than 1 gasket?
no just the one between the intake mainfold and the last third of the IACV assembly. that being the 'air cut valve' portion, middle is 'valve seat and idle screw' portion and the outer part is the 'stepper motor and valve piston'
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 12:00 AM
  #21  
ColombianMax's Avatar
Please. Call me John. I insist
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 4,945
From: Chicago
Originally Posted by 92gxe/cg2
i also highly doubt theres aynthing wrong with my IACV just to put that out there..

All of the times you have HIGHLY doubted something [I've said] you were wrong. How do you really know your IACV isnt faulty? What makes you think it is functioning properly?
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 06:01 AM
  #22  
92gxe/cg2's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supporting Maxima.org Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 464
From: Chicago
john lets get some examples? Like when my plugs rotor and cap were bad, even tho i said they werent, and were they now? no..... lol but back to the IACV

ive read some symptoms of a bad iacv and mine doesnt have said symptoms. Also my idle is always a constant RPM, never fluctuates, slowly lowers itself when going from cold to hot after driven etc....

Im sure its possible to have a faulty IACV even if the idle speed is perfect and never fluctuates but im just doubting that. How would an IACV lead to a misfire too? i probably should clean it because even when theres no misfire and its idling fine u can feel a vibration thru the cabin more like a pulsing.
Old Nov 18, 2007 | 06:48 AM
  #23  
LvR's Avatar
LvR
Senior Member
 
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,205
From: Pretoria - South Africa
ECT determines mixture quality presented to the cylinder based on temp - the colder the richer in general. If the ECT tells the ECU lies, a lean mixture can be caused, and non-reliable ignition is the result.

If all else seems to be in good nik and working I guess the most basic of causes of this may simply be engine condition.................

Remove and block the crankcase breather hose from the rear valve cover (leave the nipple on the valve cover open) - is there an improvement/change in the symptoms described in your first post?

What are the actual individual WOT cylinder pressures when doing a hot compression test?
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
KabirUTA13
5th Generation Classifieds (2000-2003)
19
Oct 17, 2015 02:15 AM
lrb6805
4th Generation Maxima (1995-1999)
7
Sep 17, 2015 04:49 PM
ballerchris510
3rd Generation Maxima (1989-1994)
9
Sep 10, 2015 09:35 PM




All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:03 PM.