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Old Nov 30, 2008 | 08:27 AM
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Fidanza vs. Stillen Flywheel ... What other parts are needed?

Hey everyone, I am doing a 5spd swap soon. I just ordered a ACT heavy duty pressure plate and performance disc with the stillen flywheel. Now I think I made a stupid move ... Since I do not have a flywheel currently, what additional parts are needed to make the stillen flywheel work? I read that the fidanza is preferred over stillen because it it slightly heavier. Does fidanza require the same amount of OEM parts to be reused just like the stillen flywheel?

I can probably cancel the order first thing tomorrow morning and go with the fidanza wheel instead ...

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both just need the timing ring that is on the MT flywheel. It comes off easily about 5 or so 12mm bolts.

See if a local junk yard has a 5speed flywheel around or check the classifieds.
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Originally Posted by MDeezy
both just need the timing ring that is on the MT flywheel. It comes off easily about 5 or so 12mm bolts.

See if a local junk yard has a 5speed flywheel around or check the classifieds.
What about the ring gear? Isn't that used for the starter? What is the timing gear for, crank sensor?
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The timing ring is for the crank sensor and the starter. Thats all you'll need to use the stillen flywheel, or fidanza if you had one.
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The timing ring is for the crank sensor and the starter. Thats all you'll need to use the stillen flywheel, or fidanza if you had one.

Thanks, so which flywheel is preferred? and why? I ordered the stillen one, not sure if I should cancel and go with fidanza instead.
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I'm not sure which is preferred I'd research their weight and see if anyone made any comparison threads about the two.

I had a fidanza and I loved it. If they are both the same weight and balanced properly I cant really see what the difference would be besides price.
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Originally Posted by MDeezy
I'm not sure which is preferred I'd research their weight and see if anyone made any comparison threads about the two.

I had a fidanza and I loved it. If they are both the same weight and balanced properly I cant really see what the difference would be besides price.
Does the ring gear have to go on a certain way in order to maintain balancing of the entire flywheel assembly? Where can I find the torque specs for the ring gear as well as the flywheel to crank?
Old Nov 30, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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fsm has torque specs. does not need a specific orientation, put the ring on make sure all the bolts are in and tq them down and your good to go.

when I get to my portable hard drive I'll check the tq specs and posted them up if you cant find them
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My fidanza both of them came with the ring.
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My fidanza both of them came with the ring.
So nothing elsw was needed? Direct replacement of the entire factory assembly?
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So nothing elsw was needed? Direct replacement of the entire factory assembly?
Yes sir.
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Originally Posted by kzoosho
My fidanza both of them came with the ring.
So did mine,..



My Stillen flywheel was a different story...
Old Nov 30, 2008 | 01:38 PM
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You're also going to need a set of pressure plate bolts and washers, since neither the clutch nor the flywheel usually come with them.

I happen to have a set for sale, see my sig
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Yeah my Fidanza came with the ring also
Old Nov 30, 2008 | 02:58 PM
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we'll damn... mine didnt come with it. I had to put a ring on it... actually I bought mine off Jay25 but he had to put it on there.
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So did mine,..



My Stillen flywheel was a different story...
damn that stillen is stripped down! what happened to the center section
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Wow, stillen sucks. Thanks for the pics guys. I will try and cancel the order on the stillen flywheel and go with fidanza instead.
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Originally Posted by MDeezy
we'll damn... mine didnt come with it. I had to put a ring on it... actually I bought mine off Jay25 but he had to put it on there.

damn that stillen is stripped down! what happened to the center section
Thats how it comes, you have to use your OEM pieces, same with the UR flywheel since there the same thing.
Its also showing the oppostie side that the Fidanza is showing...

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Originally Posted by Flava_24/7
Thats how it comes, you have to use your OEM pieces, same with the UR flywheel since there the same thing.
Its also showing the oppostie side that the Fidanza is showing...
Flava, did you own both stillen and fidanza? Which one is preferred, and why? What is the weight difference?
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 04:12 AM
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I believe the stillen weighs 7 pounds, while the fidanza weighs 12 pounds.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by lilaclucymaxima
I believe the stillen weighs 7 pounds, while the fidanza weighs 12 pounds.

However, the 7 pounds is the unassembled flywheel section that comes from stillen out of the box, right?
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MDeezy
The timing ring is for the crank sensor and the starter. Thats all you'll need to use the stillen flywheel, or fidanza if you had one.
The timing ring is for the crank sensor, but there is also another gear for the starter. The fidanza comes with the starter gear but not the timing ring. The stillen comes with neither.

Also OP you asked about orientation, it can only be assembled one way because there are pins.

BTW I have the stillen and I like it.







Also DONT use an airgun like I did to take it apart....youll strip bolts. And also use loctite when putting back together otherwise bolts (that were torqued to spec) will come loose and youll be taking your tranny off a second time to replace the timing ring. Learn from my mistakes.

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Originally Posted by MAXecutive
Flava, did you own both stillen and fidanza? Which one is preferred, and why? What is the weight difference?
Yes, Ive owned both.
The Stillen weighed in at 7lbs naked, once the timing and starter ring gears were attached it was about 10lbs... maybe a tad bit more.
The Fidanza wieghed 12lbs complete so its just a little heavier.
In the future, if I did choose to keep running the lightened flywheel I would stay with the Fidanza. Just an easier setup to me.
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Originally Posted by MAXecutive
However, the 7 pounds is the unassembled flywheel section that comes from stillen out of the box, right?
^ Flava beat me to it...
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this is good stuff.....i got my findanza 4 days ago and it weighed 11lbs
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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Update guys ... I canceled the order on the Stillen flywheel and will be purchasing the fidanza on ebay for $310 shipped. Still cheaper than the stillen flywheel under their black friday special of $375.
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hey i got a question to those guys that have findanza, do you have to balance it?
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nope already balanced. Did your fidanza already have the timing ring on it?
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nope...i had to buy it sepretly
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I know this thread is a little old but it is the only one that I found that talks about stillen, findanza flywheels. So I have a 95 max that was manufactured on 11/94 so that means I can't use the findanza flywheel it's only for 2/95-99 so that leaves stillen and unorthodox but on unorthodox's website it does not show one for a 95 max but other sites do like horsepowerfreaks or is their a certain month of manufacture that it fits in 94/95 does any one know? And stillen actuley has one on their website but dose it come with a starter ring gear or a timming gear ? And can you re-use all the parts from the old flywheel (ie starter ring,timming ring,bolts) or do I have to buy new ones and were can you find them? does the the stillen come with the center section?
Any information is greatly appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Tmars
I know this thread is a little old but it is the only one that I found that talks about stillen, findanza flywheels. So I have a 95 max that was manufactured on 11/94 so that means I can't use the findanza flywheel it's only for 2/95-99 so that leaves stillen and unorthodox but on unorthodox's website it does not show one for a 95 max but other sites do like horsepowerfreaks or is their a certain month of manufacture that it fits in 94/95 does any one know? And stillen actuley has one on their website but dose it come with a starter ring gear or a timming gear ? And can you re-use all the parts from the old flywheel (ie starter ring,timming ring,bolts) or do I have to buy new ones and were can you find them? does the the stillen come with the center section?
Any information is greatly appreciated.
You could still use the Fidanza with an early model '95, at best it would take a slight modification.

http://forums.maxima.org/4th-generat...it-1995-a.html
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Dose anyone know if the 95-01 stillen flywheel bolts to a 95' max ring gear without having to drill a new hole into the ring gear. Like the problem with findanza flywheels on an early production 95' maxima.
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Originally Posted by Tmars
Dose anyone know if the 95-01 stillen flywheel bolts to a 95' max ring gear without having to drill a new hole into the ring gear. Like the problem with findanza flywheels on an early production 95' maxima.
As far as I've seen, the Stillen flywheel bolts up to the automatic flexplate, so as to use its timing ring and ring gear.

FWIW the ring gear isn't the apparent problem for the early '95s, it's the timing ring. Two entirely different things.
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Originally Posted by pmohr
As far as I've seen, the Stillen flywheel bolts up to the automatic flexplate, so as to use its timing ring and ring gear.

FWIW the ring gear isn't the apparent problem for the early '95s, it's the timing ring. Two entirely different things.

Sorry I was mistaken, I thought I read Drill the ring gear to fit the findanza flywheel in the findanzas don't fit 1995 thread, but in fact it's the timing ring . So confusing when you can't see what were talking about, But you wrote that the stillen works in the early prodution 95' so I will buy that flywheel. And what is the automatic flexplate.
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Originally Posted by Tmars
Sorry I was mistaken, I thought I read Drill the ring gear to fit the findanza flywheel in the findanzas don't fit 1995 thread, but in fact it's the timing ring . So confusing when you can't see what were talking about, But you wrote that the stillen works in the early prodution 95' so I will buy that flywheel. And what is the automatic flexplate.
The flexplate is essentially the flywheel of an automatic.

From the pictures posted above, that's apparently how the Stillen flywheel is set up, as I don't believe you can separate the center piece from the OEM flywheel.

Again, this is just from looking at the pictures; have no experience with the Stillen flywheel myself.
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Originally Posted by pmohr
The flexplate is essentially the flywheel of an automatic.

From the pictures posted above, that's apparently how the Stillen flywheel is set up, as I don't believe you can separate the center piece from the OEM flywheel.

Again, this is just from looking at the pictures; have no experience with the Stillen flywheel myself.

Thanks for your help, I think that I figured it out correct me if I'm wrong. Had to have lunch for the brain to get around it. The reason is the findanza only comes with the flywheel and starter ring and you have to reuse you stock timing gear but on early 95' one of the bolts don't line up so the timing gear gets anew hole drilled, no thank you to that idea want a bolt in application. But on the stillen you have to use both the starter ring and timing ring as stillen dosn't supply these with their flywheels so with that said is it safe to say that the timing ring is bolted to the starter ring gear and then the starter ring gear is bolted in the same pattern as the rest of the 4thGens to the flywheel and thats why the stillen will work on an early production 95' without having to drill the timing ring.
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