i was considering doing one after seeing someone on the org makes them. benifits, pro's, cons??? does the car run smoother, more hp, loss of power in the low rpm's??? i did read a stickie on this, just want more info. thanks>>>

 

I made one like this.http://www.activetuning.com/products...stallation.php

I went to Advance Auto Parts and got everything I needed for like 25 bucks. It does look pretty cool, but I cannot tell any difference. The only way you can tell a difference is if you have bad corroded grounds to begin with

 

The only reason for extra grounding points is if your existing grounds are insufficient, i have had this issue before; and im convinced without my added grounding theproblems that existed would have been intensified. but gain wise. Nada.

 

I find that with my blehmco grounding kit that lower rpm idle is smoother. I drive a standard. There is noticeably less jerk when I take my foot off the go pedal. Also the stereo hits harder in the bass line. Not really noticeable on the radio, but you can tell the difference with a cd. Also, when starting to move at lower rpm (apx 500) there is way less jerk and tendency for the car to stall.

Would I do it again? Yes I would. Is there much of a hp gain. No I doubt it. But it does make the idle smoother so that is a plus in my book. Also, it feels as thought the torque curve is smoother but that could just be a placebo effect.

I should note that I have a udp installed and that might contribute to some of my issues. I did notice that right away the voltage gauge stayed steady on 14.2 volts no matter what accessories I run. It will drop slightly when turning on the headlights at idle but the gauge pops right back up again when I start to move.

 

i made one for my car not to long ago made a differnece with startup used to crank over a few times...

 

like i said, insufficient grounds

corrosions a Bish isnt it? now had you driven the car fresh off the lot, and thrown a Groudning Kit at it.. youd notice one thing... a whole lot of unneccesary wireing in the engine bay.

 

If you are concerned about the grounding of your car just clean the ground terminals that already exist. To be adding grounds is to say that the the electrical engineers who designed the system did a poor job. That is unlikely.

As far as starting problems due to bad grounds the starter motor gets it's ground by being bolted directly to the cylinder block. You cannot get a better ground than that regardless of how many additional ground wires you run. The main grounds I would check are the one running from the battery negative terminal and the one for the alternator. As long as those two are good you should not have any problems.

I realize that there are org members that will say that they had electrical problems and that additional grounds "fixed" these problems. That is possible but cleaning of existing grounds would have done the same. It is rare for an automobile to develop a grounding problem. And to make a claim that you will somehow get addition HP, that's all wishful thinking.

Electricity and electronics are a bit of a mystery to most people, they don't even know what the purpose of a ground is, so some sales people are taking advantage of this.

I'm going to start my own grounding kit business, charge $50 for a bunch of crimped wires, with the millions on the web someone is bound to purchase my kits

 

well, there is an org member or 2 that make the kits and say that they will improve your start up and excel from a stop in low rpm's. i cant imagine that it would'nt help in some cars like mine that are 14+ years old and the wires do get corroded inside the housings and dont get proper amperage to certain key elements of your ignition and/or alty or battery.

 

There's not going to be any noticable improvement IMHO. Not saying that those who have done this and state improvement from doing so are wrong ... but maybe it's a matter of perception. I agree with the above statement that the people who designed the G'ing system did it right .... or I think there would be a TSB on it. As far as I know ... no TSB related to this one.

I don't think adding a G to anything will help, but I do believe that cleaning the G terminal on the bat and the post (on the front of the block) would help / will not hurt. If you were truely having grounding issues, you would have 'intermittent' issues, like you're lights would flicker, radio would loose memory, long / hard starts .... and the like.

But then again .... hell, add a G, it's not gonna hurt anything but IMO, not gonna do much either.

Cheers!

 

I agree with that.

 

elements of truth on both sides.

grounding kits do not add performance they restore it, hence why you may or may not see results. over time raw copper corrodes which causes resistance on the surface, where current flows. connection points get dirty/corroded. cast oem connectors become fatigued. focusing on just one connection is not sufficient as the circuit is only as strong as the weakest link.

i.e. the starter grounds directly to the block but the block grounds to chassis through a cable. issues in the block to chassis ground will manifest in starting (among other) issues.

it is easier to add additional wire than to remove/replace all the old wire. electricity will follow the path of least resistance. if you do use a grounding kit use tinned ofc power cable. this wire will not corrode.

 

Very good point! Tinned ofc wire will outlast the car .... to put it one way. If you go with doing that, I would suggest using a lock washer on top of the end of the new cable. That will keep it in place, no matter where you attach it. The block is a great point to mount a G. If it were me, I'd use a transaxle bolt (to the block) as that is a strong point and easy access.