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Old Mar 13, 2010 | 07:49 PM
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350 miles on Vogtland/GR-2 - Follow-up Review.

Ride is exceptional. Smooth. Responsive. No harsh bumps. Have not hit bumpstops yet.

Springs have settled a little.

Went from

27" Front
26" Rear

To

26 7/8" Front
25 3/4" Rear

I am riding on Firestone Firehawk GT-Z 245-45-17 inflated to 42lbs with OEM SE rims. Max psi on these is 51lbs. Anything under 40lbs is too soft...

...extremely happy with the swap from Maxspeed/Tokico Blues (Had set-up for approx. 60k miles) to this set-up.
Old Mar 13, 2010 | 09:18 PM
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your measurements look like there wasnt much of a drop . and how much did you pick the gr-2's up for if ya dont mind...
Old Mar 13, 2010 | 09:21 PM
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H&Rish drop then.
Old Mar 13, 2010 | 10:58 PM
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Old Mar 14, 2010 | 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by QNO_A32
your measurements look like there wasnt much of a drop . and how much did you pick the gr-2's up for if ya dont mind...
no.. those numbers are meant to be how much the springs have additionally dropped since putting them on and measureing.. and then waiting and then measureing again.. i hope ,... i had vogtlands on my old max with gr2s and it was slammed
Old Mar 14, 2010 | 07:13 AM
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The measurements are from the Vogtlands when I first installed them and 350 miles later.
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hows the ride comfort compared to stock?

are the GR-2's adjustable?

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Old Mar 15, 2010 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by NissanMan97
hows the ride comfort compared to stock?

are the GR-2's adjustable?

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Honestly, it's been so long since I've been on stock, I can not compare.

Bought car with 59k
Installed Maxspeed/Tokico Blues around 80k
Intalled Vogtland/GR-2's around 147k

The ride is expcetional though. No harshness over bumps, no bouncing. Very smooth and comfortable ride. I love it.

GR-2's are NOT adjustable. You would need to get the KYB AGX's for that.
Old Mar 15, 2010 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by nismopc
Honestly, it's been so long since I've been on stock, I can not compare.

Bought car with 59k
Installed Maxspeed/Tokico Blues around 80k
Intalled Vogtland/GR-2's around 147k

The ride is expcetional though. No harshness over bumps, no bouncing. Very smooth and comfortable ride. I love it.

GR-2's are NOT adjustable. You would need to get the KYB AGX's for that.
sounds like what im looking for.

i want something that is stiff but not to harsh. I was gonna dump the cash in to some SS's but it seems like a waste to me.

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Well, one thing I do want to get out is that I was swayed away from GR-2's back when I installed the Maxspeeds. I took the advice from several org members comments to go w/Tokico Blues...

...bad idea.

I wish I didn't sway so easily. I had GR-2's on my '96 G20 before the Maxima, and I loved them. I thought they were so much more respnosive than OEM and yet not harsh. I was never overly thrilled with the Tokico Blues. They never gave me a solid driving experience.

After installing this Vogtland/GR-2 set-up I can now say I am very pleased to have GR-2's once again.

I am not a big fan of the Tokico Blues, never have been, and will most likely never purchase them again for any current or future vehicle that I own. Nor will I ever promote them...

...I am sure the Maxspeed vs. Vogtland springs also had something to do with it, but I am still confident in saying I would have been much happier if I had purchased GR-2's with my Maxspeeds back then instead of Tokico Blues.
Old Mar 15, 2010 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by nismopc
Well, one thing I do want to get out is that I was swayed away from GR-2's back when I installed the Maxspeeds. I took the advice from several org members comments to go w/Tokico Blues...

...bad idea.

I wish I didn't sway so easily. I had GR-2's on my '96 G20 before the Maxima, and I loved them. I thought they were so much more respnosive than OEM and yet not harsh. I was never overly thrilled with the Tokico Blues. They never gave me a solid driving experience.

After installing this Vogtland/GR-2 set-up I can now say I am very pleased to have GR-2's once again.

I am not a big fan of the Tokico Blues, never have been, and will most likely never purchase them again for any current or future vehicle that I own. Nor will I ever promote them...

...I am sure the Maxspeed vs. Vogtland springs also had something to do with it, but I am still confident in saying I would have been much happier if I had purchased GR-2's with my Maxspeeds back then instead of Tokico Blues.
the blues are supposed to be OEM replacements are they not? so it would be the same as a lowered car on stock struts

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whats the rough price on the GR-2 s ?
Old Mar 15, 2010 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by NissanMan97
the blues are supposed to be OEM replacements are they not? so it would be the same as a lowered car on stock struts

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So are the GR-2s

Originally Posted by Tokico HP Blues
TOKICO's HP Series - the famous "Blue Shock" - continues to be the overwhelming choice of performance enthusiasts looking for the best in overall handling and ride quality. The HP Series damping typifies TOKICO's valving flexibility and philosophy by minimizing low speed damping force and greatly increasing damping at medium and high piston speeds for improved compliance, tire adhesion and handling.

Originally Posted by KYB GR-2
Purpose: Restores a vehicle’s originally designed handling and control

Calibrated to compensate for worn suspensions
Components and valving are designed specifically for each application
The best choice to restore OE performance and normal driving conditions
Built with quality that matches or exceeds OE
Coverage for domestic and import cars, trucks, vans, minivans, and SUVs
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Originally Posted by Prophecy99
whats the rough price on the GR-2 s ?
Not sure.

I paid $495 shipped for the Vogtland/KYB GR-2 combo from JDMWERKS (eBay).
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Originally Posted by nismopc
So are the GR-2s
interesting. that both are OEM replacement but you claim there is a huge difference

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Originally Posted by NissanMan97
interesting. that both are OEM replacement but you claim there is a huge difference

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I read somewhere a while back the the GR-2's are actually 15% stiffer than stock. I dont remember which thread I read that in though. And I think it said that the blues were more of an exact replacement.

I think I am going to go with GR-2's with H&R springs. The slightly stiffer GR-2's may respond better with the slightly stiffer spring.
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Originally Posted by NissanMan97
interesting. that both are OEM replacement but you claim there is a huge difference

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You have to understand what OEM replacement is.

They "meet or exceed OEM specifications". Just because Tokico makes OEM struts for Nissan does not mean they are the same specifications as the "aftermarket" OEM replacement Tokico HP's (Blues). In fact they are not the same. The one's made for Nissan (black in color) are spec'd based on Nissan's recommendation.

Same with GR-2's. But I will definately say, these definately exceed OEM specs.

This is the same for OEM tires and aftermarket tires. In most to all cases they might have the same naming standard, but the specs could be competely different. This is very true when it comes to Contintental tires and Nissan's.
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