Ok guys -- I think I've decided that I'm going to get a set of KYB AGX's and cut my Eibachs as I'm just not happy with the ride height as it stands and no other type of spring/coilover is a viable solution for me right now. I know the risks involved, so those of you that don't approve of cutting springs, please don't give me any hell, ok?

I'm planning on cutting one coil off, but I'm not sure if that's the right amount or which coil(s) I should cut. Those of you that have cut your springs, how and where should I cut to get about a 2.2" drop in the front and a 2.1" drop in the back? Also, what can I expect the ride to be like with the cut Eibachs and AGX's on a softer setting?

Thanks!

 

Help? Anybody? Pretty Please?

 

Talk to BrianV on teh board. He cut a pair of springs he had. PM him.

 

no one has answered because its a dumb thing to do.. it will spoil your ride quality and blow your struts....

hey.. if you want lower ride.. sell your Eibachs and buy Drop Zone or Sprints.. the ride quality won't be great.. but it will better than cut eibach springs

 

man oh man....4th gen guys going to extremes to get rid of that 4x4 wheel gap! MUHAHAHAHAHAHA.......






















you know I had to say it Sprint!

 

Dude, I ASKED YOU NICELY not to give me Hell about this, ok? I KNOW what it involves and I KNOW the problems it can cause. I'm just trying to figure this out and how to do it.

Besides, Drop Zone's suck from everything I've heard, and Sprints sit way the hell up in the rear unless you've got a heavy-*** system in the back, which I don't and I never will. I can't afford Ground Controls (nor do I want to -- I think paying that much is absurd), and so that basically leaves the option of cutting my springs. I'm young and tough and I live in an area with good roads (I'm down south in ATL), so a harsh ride isn't a big deal for me, and there are plenty of people that have done this and NOT blown their struts.

My point is that just because you don't approve of it, please don't get on my case, ok?

 

so instead of saving your money to do it right....you'd rather cut your springs and have an unsafe suspension setup... if springs were made to be cut, Sprint, Eibach, Intrax and Dropzone would be out of business!

 

talk to brian V cause I don't think anyone else will be much help.

 

I think brianV got sick of his cut springs and how poor they were so he is going to get some new springs... maybe you can just buy his old cut ones

 

You've got to understand the physics of suspension. When lower a car, you remove suspension travel. When you cut a progressive rate spring, you end up removing the "soft" coils. This is will give a crap ride and even possibly a dangerous ride because you will be hitting the bumpstops (ie bottoming out) plus you'll be in the high rate coils. Bottoming out at speed can be very dangerous and can cause you to loose control. Good struts won't save you ride quality. All the struts will do is dampen the spring on compression and rebound. They won't improve ride smoothness. The reason people get bent out of shape when people make posts about cutting springs is because it's dangerous and ricey. Your car will be hopping down the street like a ghetto Accord. BTW, I have never been inpressed with the roads in GA.

If you want the lowest setup without going to dangerous coilovers. Get a set of Sprints and a set of Intrax. Put the Sprints on the front and the Intrax in the rear. You'll have about a .75" gap all around.


Dave

 

so i guess buying new struts in 40k miles won't be bad for added cost right?

anyway.. the reason i said it the way i do.. its like a kid asking me if its ok to touch the hot stove..

i had to say it with exclamation so you could know the severity of the situation..

if you think DZ sucks.. wait till you cut your springs.. it will be 10 times worse .. you say DZ sucks.. then you say you live in Atlanta so you don't care about harsh ride.. so now you are contradciting yourself

 

Look -- it's not necessarily what you said, it's how you said it. Dave B said basically the same thing, only he put it in terms that are clear, unbiased, easy-to-understand, and he didn't **** me off while still making the point much better than you.

I am not a kid and I am not "touching a hot stove." I'm a mature adult and as such, mature responses to my mature questions would be appropriate. I wasn't trying to start an argument here -- I was only gathering facts so that I could make an informed decision. Regardless, you are clearly not an authority with information to back up what you're saying (even if your opinion may be right), only a guy with an opinion who would like to exert that as irrevocable truth on others -- and those that don't agree be damned for the "fools" they are.

So please, don't try and pick apart my argument, because I know infintely more about my situation than you ever will or could conceive of and your assumptions will almost ALWAYS be incorrect. Perhaps it would be wise for you to take the time to learn how to communicate properly, eloquently, and intelligently so you don't **** people off when trying to make a point. But somehow, I think that would be asking too much.

Now, let me explain myself regarding the Drop Zone springs and ride harshness so that you can understand better: I have not heard Drop Zone springs are harsh (which I don't mind), but rather that they are bouncy, which I DON'T like. Harshness is not a concern because I do not live IN the city of Atlanta -- I live in the suburbs and rarely go into the city. Furthermore, I'm actually at school at the University of Georgia in a little town called Athens an hour away from Atlanta, and the roads there are pretty decent.

Sprint, get off your high horse. I think I and a lot of other people around here would appreciate it. You're not our "daddy," so don't try and treat us as children.

 

Dave, thanks for the info. It does seem as though cutting my springs is probably not the best option; I got frustrated because it is really hard to get a ride height that you can be happy with, and I suppose I just didn't have the patience to wait for the right setup.

Looks like cutting is out of the picture -- now I need to find an alternative. The Sprint/Intrax sounds alright, but I've heard that Intrax springs are pretty bouncy and that the back springs are "saggy." Plus getting both would be sort of expensive. Will be doing some thinking and researching.

 

I've got the Intrax. The Intrax very good on good/decent roads. The Intrax springs aren't bouncy as long as you've got struts that can handle the spring rate. I've got Koni's in the front and KYB GR-2s in the rear. The ride is nice, but when you hit a big bump, you know it. You don't bounce, but you feel the thud/slap. The Intrax don't "sag" in the rear. The car is perfectly level actually. The reason people say they sag is because the rear gap is .7" vs the front's 1.7" gap. If you measure your wheelwells, you'll see that the rear wheelwells are 1" shorter than the fronts. This is very typical of FWD cars. I love my Intraxs.

 

hmm looks like some hot stuff going on in here thats rite. dave said the same thing sprintmax was trying to say. but the difference is he picked up NICE words. yo sprintmax. i know u hate the fact that someone is cutting the springs but still chill out dude.. he is not doing that to your car?

 

sorry.. i won't answer any more of your questions

 

not like that bro.. you are one of the best person when it comes to answering questions.. its just that this time your wordings were kinda harsh for a person to take thanks for your help on stilllen y pipe.

 

You didn't answer a single one of my questions. I asked PEOPLE WHO HAD CUT THEIR SPRINGS these questions:

• Which coil should I cut?
• How many coils should I cut?
• What can I expect the ride to be like on Eibach's with AGX's?

You answered NONE of these questions -- all you did was tell me I was dumb for considering cutting my springs. You ARE consistently helpful on this board to a lot of people, and I think it's appreciated, but by the same token, if you're going to try and be helpful, do it politely instead of calling someone with an opinion other than your's stupid. I think you'll end up being a lot more respected. Again, look at Dave B's posts if you want to see exactly what I'm talking about.

 

Again, thanks for the info. Cool, looks like I'm going to be getting Sprints/Intrax -- now I just have to get the money together.

By the way, what do you think of AGX's in the front and GR-2's in the rear? Would the setup be almost as good as AGX's all around?

 

Never ever cut your springs. It will destroy the ride quality of your car. Try to find aftermarket springs that are made for lowering the car.

 

I'll throw in on this...what of the use of coil spring clamps to make a minor change for different peoples taste...granted they would have to be an involved amount of installation to get it right but they are less expensive and if you do not want them on for long, you can remove them without damaging the original ride height.

Not much has to be said for the strenth requirement of the spring clamps. One should not doubt the company that markets these as even the reputable names like Eibach/H&R had to earn their reputation somewhere. I ran my 99 GXE with H&R springs until just a month or so ago and wish I had put clamps on the front...just to even out the overall look. May try again down the road when I decide on new suspension items.

 

maybe your level of comprehension isn't as great as mine.. but could you find where in my post i called YOU stupid?

 

You said: "no one has answered because its a dumb thing to do..." While you may not have said outright that I was dumb, the implication is definitely there and it's obvious that's what you're implying. While I may have done the same thing in return, it was with provocation, unlike you.

Besides, that's all just semantics and details. The point is that you acted like a jerk for no reason other than your desire to force your opinion on others and try to feel superior, regardless of how you did it. Maybe you should quit avoiding the issue at hand (that you acted like a condescending a$$face) by nitpicking at the details.

 

What are coil spring clamps? I've never heard of them. I'm assuming they clamp on to the spring and compress them, eventually changing the shape of the spring if left on long enough? Are these safe and effective? What kind of cost, and where does one get ahold of some?

 

i said it was a dumb thing to do.. thats acting like a jerk i see? ok.. so if someone asked me if they should drive their car off a cliff and i say.. no its a dumb thing to do.. i am being a jerk? ok .. thanks for the clarification

 

Sprint, you big meanie...go sit in the corner!!!

 

You know, I heard a saying once: "Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." You've done that -- I simply can't argue with you any more because your arguments aren't founded in logical progressions. You're comparing two completely different ideas. I'm done with this -- I think you and I and pretty much everyone else knows you're being a moron and a jacka$$, and I don't feel like wasting any more time on a person such as yourself. Have a good day.

 

likewise.. you have a happy holiday also..

 

Look, dude. If you promise not to screw your car by cutting the springs, I will give you the clamps I have for FREE. It takes 2 clamps per spring, and you have to compress the spring to get them on, but it's not really a problem and you can actually fine tune them with the springs on the car once installed. If you really want them, just e:mail me. I have no use for them and they have just been sitting around. Just pay shipping...

nismo1989@aol.com

 

hey Sprint, you have a happy holidays too

 

check your email me I sent you an email Latin250@hotmail.com

 

For all of these people talking about ride quality...

Sprint springs have about (4) four dead coils, coils that are touching each other with no gap in between. As long as you dont cut past the dead coils, your ride will be just the same.
I dont know where all of these people say that Sprint springs are "harsh"...they ride like a lexus compared to a lowered truck or most other lowered cars. Ever riden in a lowered truck with lowering blocks..?? now thats " harsh"!!! Whenever you modify any suspension..its not going to turn into a cadillac! Come on people...

 

Thanks for the input, guys. Will definitely have to do some thinking as to what I'd like to do. If I can get ahold of some Sprints for what I can sell my Eibachs for and get a back pair of Intrax for cheap (or even a whole pair), I'll go that route. Otherwise, I think I may use spring clamps to squash the springs a bit. I'll see.

 

You can't really compare lowered trucks because they use leaf spring suspension in the rears. When you lower them, you basicly making the leaves go full stiff. So thus the bone jarring ride.

 

easy soltuion for all 4th genners tired of 4x4 wheel gap......naw nevermind I won't say it!

 

Now now, no need to beat a dead horse ...but I ain't lowering when I go 17"!

 

you can buy lowering leaf springs for trucks. they give you a lowered look with the same towing capacity as stock. i had these on my nissan truck. The reason you get the bouncy feeling is because people take out the leaf springs to slam the truck. this is the "Ghetto" way to lower a truck.

 

That dead coil your talking about thats one I cut off my front intrax, ride didnt change much. It still rides fine to me. I was talked out of it like 4 times, I got tired of waiting on sprints so I put the hacksaw to them. Dont regret it at all I have 1 inch and half gap still. Now if you go to 17's you can lower your car you go up to 19's no I mean 20s and still drop the Maxima, as long as you got the correct offset where the wheel tucks your good. I wouldnt slam all the way down though just enough to have 1 inch fender well gap is slammed enough for me.