ok so ive been borrowing my fathers van lately due to my ignition being messed up..well i had a buddy who just bought a 2005 mustang gt 4.6 its an auto..has exhast cai..ok well i told him i would race him which i knew i was going to be blowed away..wrong i woulda never thought in my life a 2002 ponitac montana would out run one from a stop or 40 50 mph roll...so now he is convinced to take it back lol the van bone stock 3.4...and to be honest it could be faster then my 4th gen where it has exhaust work venom injectors walbpro 255 fuel pump..after i get mine running i will most defantly have to try this out and will video tape it and post it...just shocking if u ask me