This is impossible. This aint nothing but a scam. How in gods name can a Altima with the same engine, EXACT weight as the Maxima, beat the 6spd Maxima?

Lets compare here

2002 Altima 3.5SE 5spd
HP = 240
Weight = 3225

2002 Maxima 3.5SE 6spd
HP = 255
Weight = 3224

Now I dont know how the same engine, same weight, plus different trannys shows that the 5spd alty beat the 6spd max in everything, I mean 0-30, 0-60, and 1/4mile.

Atly beats the 0-30 by .1sec, 0-60 by .2sec, and 1/4mile by .1sec.

To me that is impossible. There is a scam going on. Please explain this to me, Cause my friend who has a 3.5SE Auto Alty is taking major trash to me.

Dixit

 

typo

 

All the times are wrong.......the 3.5 SE has been tested in four different publications (Manual) all of them registered 0-60 times of 5.9-6.3 and 1/4 mile times of 14.4-14.8; it is now safe to say that SSC has the same creditability as Carpoint.com with their road testing figures

 

Correct, I mean the one guy on the forum here took his 2k2 6spd to the track and got 14.3 the first time up. Now how in gods name did the SCC list the 1/4 at 15.0 seconds? that is like alomst the number for the Auto. Maybe they THOUGHT they had a 6spd.

Dixit

 

Don't Worry God must of did this as another sign of the apocalypse, Let me go check to see if it's in revelations.

 

 

I would say that your numbers are wrong.. the 5 speed altima is not 2225 ... that is the weight for the automatic .. i believe the 5 speed is 2164 +/- ..

 

17 and own a 2k2MAX! That's unfair dude, i wish i had one too! j/k, it's not your fault you're rich, i'm just jealous

 

As dynoed by 6 speed members at this org and the 5 speed Altima members at altimas.net, the Maxima and Altima are putting down the same power. Nissan overrated the Maxima or underrated the Altima. It's as simple as at. A couple of Maxima owners have already witnessed Altimas running 14.4s.


Dave

 

I got the weight off the carpoint.msn.com. They listed the auto as more than that. This the same number that is in the Nissan brochure also. 3225 for manual, 3273 for auto

Dixit

 

agree with you on that....lol
but everyone with his luck....

 

Dont worry, the numbers are bullshiet. Cause we know out boy here on the forum did 14.3 on a 6spd. If he can beat SCC numbers, maybe they should hire him to do the runs. Maybe they were paid by these "trash talking" altima owners to make sure the altima wins.

Remember little brother maybe won at first, but guess what, big brother still holds the title. ALWAYS!!!

Dixit

 

maybe....because the altima has 5 sp....the ratios are bigger..meaning you will not have to switch gears as much as the 6sp.
Every time you switch a gear, you loose time, the altima's 5sp will switch less gears then a 2k2 6sp. does this make sense?

 

Nope cause the 2k2, you can push 63 in second gear, requiring only one shift.

Dixit

 

I have decided not to worry about the possibility that the Altima might be faster than the Max. I am very happy with the Max, and likes the interior better. The exterior I am getting to like better each day. I still like the smoke tail lights but oh well.
With couple mods I will be even happier

 

they always do that, i wonder how many other cars 1/4 mile times were off because of them

 

Maybe you missed SCC dyno results for back to back runs with the alty and max?

Altima = 200 FWHP - 211FWTQ

Maxima = 218FWHP - 230 FWTQ

So PLEASE stop saying they have the same amount of power, you asked for a back to back dyno and now you have one. BTW, it looks like nissan actually overated the maxima and rated the altima correctly, either that or our 6spd tranny is a lot more efficient then there 5spd.

Thanks for the extra 33 lb's of torque nissan!

 

ahh...but u forgot one thing..close ratio gear>>>faster acceleration

 

i guess i did....lol

 

Ethan-

Seriously, NO ONE in here has come remotely close to getting 218fwhp and 230fwtq in a 2k2 Maxima with or without mods. Yet the SCC Altima put down exactly what other Altimas have gotten over at www.altimas.net. It's also interesting that all the stock Maximas at this org put down the same numbers as the Altima.

Have you ever heard the term "ringer". I'd bet the Maxima SCC dynoed is not the same Maxima they ran at the strip. IF the Maxima truely put down that much more power than the Altima, it would be VERY CLEAR, crystal, in the trap speed. Both cars weigh the same and supposedly the Maxima is making a lot more power yet the Max trapped out at the same mph as the Altima (possibly even lower mph). Even with **** poor driving or lack of traction, the trap speed varies very little. ET is what changes. Typically I trap out at 94mph, but my ets have varied by .7 because of traction problems in the 60 foot and 2nd gear. I've run 14.7s@94 and 15.4s@94mph, the only difference was traction.


Dave

 

I thought it was strange how they got the extra 15HP too. SCC tested a HLSD equpped max, could that have anything to do wit it? Probably not but?

 

if SCC tested a HLSD maxima...and considering they probably weren't available to the public when they ran the tests...nissan COULD have given them a tuned version of the maxima...u never know.

 

If it was a tuned version I would have atleast expected it to be quicker then the altima

 

Different dynos, at different places. SCC used the same dyno at the same time. I believe what SCC does over what your saying.,

 

I agree...

 

Those back to back numbers satisfy me! Don't gimme any ringer crap either. Enough is enough the max puts down more power!

I would like to see the links to the stock 5spd altima time slips of 14.4? Not the magazine times.

With all the dynos I have read and witnessed of the 6spd Maxima there is no question in my mind it is putting down more power than the altima 5spd v6.

There is also no question in my mind that the Altima will be getting the 6spd gearbox for 2k3 as well and will be offered with some form of lsd. If I was in the market for a car now I would get the 6spd Max no doubt! Otherwise waiting for the 2k3 altima would be the best bet.

 

so you don't believe the guy that got the 14.44 in his 2k2 auto? if i'm not mistaken SCC got 15.0 with the 6 sp.--tell me where i'm going wrong here but i smell selective believing
no offense,
matt

 

For 1/4 times I believe what people have gotten here. I am discussing Dyno right now.

 

oh, sorry
i REALLY need to dyno AND get to the track

aren't dynos usually more consistent than track times? what would cause such a difference?

 

If the track was bad, then the HLSD probably would make some difference. I just don't buy the dyno numbers. They are wildly high compared to any other Max I've seen. If the SCC Max truely did make 10% more power than the Altima, I would think the SCC Max would be trapping out 2-3mph higher, atleast.

Did you get your inserts installed yet?


Dave

 

Yeah, strange..

I am going to do my inserts when I get my MB speakers, I figured since I will have to remove the door panels for both I might as well wait and do them together. The weather up here is down right nasty lately too so I think I will just wait until the weathet heats up a bit

 

I gave up with the whole performace issue.. i like my slow Maxima... i am going all for looks slowly and cost-effectively...rims... suspension... repainted bumpers(with real paint)...
I can never have yo_its_ok Speed

Roger

 

Dave, in the SCC article they have wheel hp data showing the Maxima was 18 hp and 20 lb.ft higher than the Altima. Makes no sense that the Max would be slower based on that unless there was a fairly significant weight difference right? I'm confused....

 

Oops! I should have read everything before posting!

 

Hmmmm, I got 227 ft.lbs. months ago, don't know if you'd call that "remotely close" to 230???

 

For those of you that think it is impossible...well, for one SCC is posting their findings, anything else is Libel.

There are a couple of other similar media that has said the same, it is a minimal difference and when it comes to regular drivers on the street, well it would come to the driver of the vehicles and their shifting abilities. I am a WRX owner and have raced both 2002 models and have beat both but the guy in the Altima gave me a better run than the Maxima did...Yes both were manual tranys.

Modified would be the real tell tale I think. I guess we will have to wait and see...I have a friend with a Auto Altima who is going to mod his possibly. We will see how he does.

just my two cents but most of you wont care for i own a REX.

Always looking for good competition!

Beau
www.smokinrex.org