Hey guys,

My buddy has a Subaru WRX and he wants to race my 2k2 Maxima 6spd. What is faster? I think Ill beat him off the line but he'll blow me away on the highway.

Thanks

 

a few months ago there were a lot of threads saying "what should i buy? i cant decide between a 2k2 maxima or a WRX". i dont know the specs of the WRX but all of those threads lead me to believe they are pretty similar. i say race him just for fun. whether you win or whether he wins, either way it will be close so no one will be embarrassed. just do it for fun.

 

depends on the driver, but i'd say the WRX

 

The WRX (if he's stick) will SMOKE you from a stop (AWD, can cut 1.8s 60' times stock). But on a roll you will SMOKE him. WRX's only have about 168 whp stock. The Maxima has a ton more and is only a little heavier.

Those cars, just like most AWD cars these days are only "fast" in magazine times because you can do 6000rpm side step launches and get traction. But who the hell would want to do that on their own car? You'll definitely bust up some very expensive equipment before long if you do that.

WRX's were never meant to drag - they're much better at auto crossing.

The Maxima is just the opposite. The car is a highway beast, but a little too big and bulky to be a truly agile auto crosser like the WRX.

 

u should win on a roll

 

he is toast from a roll if you can shift worth ****...

 

he'll definitely take u off the line, but if u do a real 1/4 mile run the maxima should come out on top. WRX runs like mid 14s, 6spd 2k2 maxima could run possible low 14 to 14 flat. Only thing is that even if u win this time, those WRX are stock turbo motors, they respond to mods a lot better than the NA 2k2 maxima.
The WRX would outhandle a 2k2 maxima bc of the maximas bulk, but then again the WRX handling was kinda over exaggerated. Its handling isnt as good as it had been portrayed to be.
P.S. A WRX with intake, full exhaust(front pipe, downpipe, midpipe) and a boost controller puts down as much power as a stock WRX makes at the crank. The Max should come out on top stock vs. stock.
peace

 

car and driver did 14.1, and i'm sure people who know how to drive are in 13s--i guess the max would take it from a roll, i honestly don't know, depends on the drivers

 

check the trap speeds...

 

Stevetec was right on the money.

The AWD gives an awesome 0-60 time if you want to fry your clutch and tranny. But with a low 14 second 1/4 mile time, they are head-to-head. With a few cheap mods, however, the WRX can be made even faster with little effort, just like most turbo cars.

Of course, the WRX doesn't have the NAV option, so you should be able to beat him.

 

i don't have the magazine, and don't remember the speeds it was the one where they did the S4 vs. WRX vs. 330Xi--they got 5.4 0-60 for WRX and for the S4 they got 14.2 1/4 and 5.5 0-60 and BMW i forgot--it was a really cool 'article' the S4 got 1st, WRX 2nd and BMW 3rd for overall

 

October 2001 C&D

Car 0-60 1/4 mile 0-120
S4 5.5 14.2 97MPH 23.1
WRX 5.4 14.1 96MPH 25.2
330XI 5.7 14.4 96MPH 24.0

 

trap speeds can be an indication of highway roll-on up to some point. best i've seen for a subaru wrx is 97mph. the best on a maxima 6-speed, maybe 98mph. if the subaru cracks off an abusive but perfect launch, he'll be way out in front (even if you launch well) and you'll never catch up until maybe 130mph or so. If he bogs badly, and you launch perfectly, then you'll be ahead by a comfy distance and steadily pull him and noticably so after 110mph. on a highway roll-on, i think you guys will be even up to maybe 100mph where the maxima will start to pull slowly, by 120mph the maxima will pull the wrx at a good clip.

be sure not to rub in your friend's maxima victory the wrong way. cause the subaru wrx is a turbocharged car, bolt-on hp mods come really easy and all of the engine output gains can be put down to the ground courtesy of AWD. I can see with a good clutch and basic upgrades this WRX can turn into a low-13 second runner at 100+mph on stock tires. And that's BMW M5 range from 0-1/4 mile and automatic 2.73-geared 1998-2000 LS1 f-body on a 50-120mph roll-on (the 2001+ f-cars are faster).

 

my auto has taken a 330Ci 5sp. (the same one) on several occasions (he's taken mee several times too)--the 330 is only .3 slower than the WRX so i'm sure a 6sp. could hold its own--whats the difference between the Ci and Xi?

 

xi is all wheel drive I think

 

damn, i honestly don't know then
we need a WRX vs. Maxima vs. SHO

 

 

 

Stock WRX's trap at around 93-ish. Stock 2k2 Max 6spds have been trapping at 97-98 from what I've seen here. So at least stock vs. stock the Maxima WILL eventually catch the WRX and whiz by at a good clip.

Modded is a different story though. Factory turbo engines have a helluva lot more potential than NA engines when it comes to mods. For less than $2000 in mods you can get those puppies up to over 300 HP at the crank and with AWD they have the traction to take advantage of it as motectransam previously noted. Watch out for modded WRX's.

 

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I give the nod to the WRX off the line and in 1/4 mile if he can drive. He may not trap out as high, but with the hole-shot he puts on you, it will be hard to catch up. There have already been WRXs that have run 13s in stock form. I know of only one 2k2 Maxima in here that trapped out at 97mph. All the others (auto and 6) are running in the 94-95mph range which is well within the grasp of a stock WRX.

Of course, if the WRX doesn't launch at 4500+rpms, then it may have a hard race. I watched a guy in stock WRX pull off a handful of mid 15s@90mph. He looked ****ed. My buddy and I went over and talked to him and asked what he was launching at. He said 2000rpms. We told him he needed to up it to 4500+rpms, but he didn't want to hurt his car. You really can launch these cars hard and fairly safe if you know what you are doing. The trick is not to sidestep the clutch. You need to get a little engagement and roll before dropping the clutch. This reduces the immense drivetrain shock of dropping the hammer from a dead stop. The WRX will probably be my next car.


Dave

 

It's #2 on my list right now in case my Accord is totalled.

Yeah, that C&D got a 14.1/96 for the WRX but that's definitely the best time stock that anyone has ever seen. Most guys at www.i-club.com seem to be getting low/mid-14's at around 93 on bone stock scoobies. It must have been nice and cold that day or something

 

Stock for stock a 2k2 6spd Max would destroy a WRX on a highway run or on a roll. The WRX would get spanked no doubt! Off the line depends on driver and if the WRX is willing to do a high RPM clutch drop.

 

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i have no arguements of my own.

 

Stev WRXs are made for Ralley racing, not really auto-x. But I image they work good for that too

 

Well, 13's on a WRX would have to include at least a manual boost controller - a cheapy $10 mod to increase the stock boost pressure and hold it up to redline instead of dropping off like it does on the stock boost controller.

But 13's are easily possible in "stock form" as long as you consider an MBC mod for $10 part of stock form

But Dave B probably knows more about WRX's than me so maybe somebody did hit 13's stock with no BC mod so

 

Why thank you Jeff

 

me and my friend thought we had pretty strong launches in our cars, but my friend who has got the older impreza, 2.5RS still takes us on launches by like 2-3 cars, i wonder what kinda pull he's feeling.
Intake mods on a WRX do wonders for it, thanks its really rich stock fuel mixture, and with the removal of the front precats with the addition of a frontpipe and larger downpipe, i think its numbers go up to about 200hp or so at the wheels. Add a boost controller in there, and the HP won't drop off after 6k like on stock WRX. Spending that much on a WRX vs. a Maxima and the max will definitely lose.
i guess im just restating things that have already been said so i guess this post is kinda redundant.
Hey steve, WRX is your second choice car? The interior is such a downgrade from a maxima or accord. i sat in one before, interior is so plain heh, although it is pretty fast. Aftermarket parts were available only 1 week after its release.

 

...but still worlds better than the new Altima (choice #3)

 

there's no way you going to beat a wrx off the line if the driver really push it(if they don't, they don't deserve a wrx). i lurked on the wrx forum for awhile when i was thinking of buying one, i almost did too. from reading posts on wrx vs. maxima, even a 5spd 4th gen maxima will walk away from the wrx on the highway, so you shouldn't have a problem there. so your best chance is to race one on the highway. i think there are a few members there that did high 13s stock. no mbc or anything. so, it's possible. once the wrx start to put a few mods on, forget it, the maxima will be left behind. i'm not sure if any of you guys seen the video of a member of the wrx forum that ran a 1ow 12 sec pass. of course it was modded, what mods exactly i'm not sure. the launch was insane, a 1.8 or so 60ft.

 

you got that reversed buddy!

when I raced my friend's WRX he got me on the launch by 2 cars.
and kept that lead through 1st and 2nd

but his 3rd gear is not good. at least not stock.

my celica passed him in his words "as he shifted to 4th"

so .. a STOCK wrx should not be a problem in a roll

 

Unless he is modded pretty heavily, no. Me and Adam ran a wrx here that had intake, exhaust (downpipe) and ecu. We left him.

 

I think I know who you're talking about. The scary thing is that he's running at 4000' above sea level (New Mexico). Altitude doesn't affect turbos nearly as bad, but it does make a little difference. His 60 foots are currently in the upper 1.6s Could you imagine hitting 30mph in about 1.6 seconds?


Dave

 

Damn Russ, am I the only one that's beat you j/k


Dave

 

You haven't ran me again since my car is really broken in. My friends said my car has defintely increased in power after the miles I got on it now. I can beat my friends cars now, before I had trouble, and I had to have mods to beat them. Now I am stock and I can beat them still as bad!

 

The WRX has great launches. If you ever lurk their boards, alot of guys are plling low 14's stock and pulling 1.9 60fts stock.

Yes the Maxima should have better top end. Compare the trap speeds.

Even though the Maxima will eventually catch up, the question is, will it be too late. It might take you up to 110mph to catch up from a dead stop, he might have considered the race over by 70mph when he has 3-4 cars on you.

 

On a roll, the Maxima will leave it.. If the WRX is modded like the one above, we won't walk from them till about 90.

 

biggest mods for WRX are front pipe and downpipe and a boost controller. WRX has 3 cats, frontpipe removes the 2 near the exhaust manifolds, with that the WRX gains back a lot of the HP it lost when it came here. JapSpec WRX is rated at like 240-250hp and with frontpipe it gets a lot of it back. WRX isnt really geared for top speed, although it can be with the right mods.

 

The test drivers from C&D are well seasoned drivers. As a rule thier times are really hard to beat.

 

like the 15.6 second times they ran for your maxima?


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