To me, this is simple, just like the GTR.

Best "bang for the buck" 4DSC that gives other brands a run in performance and pricing!

Before we get heated in arguments, let's not forget the LMP Nismo is FWD, and the R&D benefits from that project could make a Nismo Maxima A different kind of 4DSC on its own category, the pricing point is going to be challenging.

To me, a cap at 60k is IMO a cheaper alternative everything offered in the size of the Maxima.

What do you guys want?

I would like this thread to later on be somewhat resumed and someone with good writing skills make a letter to Nissan Nismo and let them know what we want. The "NAGTROC " did this to provide Nissan feedback on the GTR shortly after it was released, maybe we could do this too and get what most of us want.

 

Sorry to say but this might all be wishful thinking. And even if they do make one, don't look for much more than a modest power bump and a fancy body kit. And if it takes them as long to bring it out as they are taking to give us the Sentra NISMO, don't expect it for at least 4-5 years.

 

nope

 

inb4ihatest3hCVTandonlywanta6MTorDCT.

 

"Jayamohan also said that there are no plans to add an all-wheel-drive system to the Maxima, but a NISMO version is under consideration".

http://www.tflcar.com/2015/04/2016-n...ed-know-video/

 

I didn't say a Nismo version is wishful thinking, I said the features he wants are wishful thinking. Don't expect anything more than a power bump and a body kit.

 

And that will be because adding the features most folks would want on a low volume vehicle such as the Maxima would indeed put it somewhere around $55K to $60K, and I don't think there would be enough sales volume at that price to warrant all the work involved. But that is just my opinion, and I am often wrong.

 

Nice article, thanks for sharing.

For me, if it says that a NISMO version for the Maxima is "under consideration" and to "stay tuned and be hopeful" for a NISMO version of the Sentra, then we are talking 9th generation or later, if that, before a NISMO Maxima is available. Bummer.

What I do know, though, is that I would be pissed if I were to buy a new Maxima and then a year or two later a NISMO version is released.

 

I have learned over the decades to be careful about buying too soon after the release of a new generation. Sometimes additional things become available months after the new generation begins showing up at dealers. Such as replacing the antiquated four speed automatic with a new 5 speed automatic in the '04 6th gen SL in January - around a half a year after the car first arrived at dealers. There have also been situations where a new color was added months after the new generation began arriving at dealers.

Conversely, with the release of the 6th generation, A beautiful Burnt Ember (I call it burnt orange) color that was quickly popular was then announced as just having been an 'intro' color and discontinued two months after the car was introduced. Folks on the ORG were scrambling to find a Burnt Ember for months afterwards.

I personally feel we will have an aditional wheel option at some point during the 2016 Maxima run. The standard wheel on the S, SV, SL and Platinum is attractive to some folks, but not to others. The turbo-looking partly black wheel we saw on the black 2016 at the NY Auto Show obviously exists, and will be available in some way at some point. Somehow that wheel reminds me of the turbo wheels of the first two years of the 2nd gen ('85 and '86 Maximas).

 

Back to the NISMO project. I think some sort of sunroof or moonroof should be available on any NISMO Maxima Nissan builds. I still think Nissan may add a roof to the SR at some point, even if that doesn't happen until the 2017s arrive. I can see where Nissan is coming from with the 'no-roof' thing for the SR, giving it a tad lower center of gravity. But the reality is that the Maxima, even in SR form, is not truly a track car, and folks that are into Maximas generally like some sort of roof opening, or at least the option for one.

 

I truly believe FWD R&D from Nismo will trickle down to the maxima Nismo and future models/ generations.

Additionally, Nissan will not let the Honda Type-R keep that Nurburgring record for long.

 

Light Weight Dished rims (wider in front)
Sticky Tires
Minor Body Panels (lip, diffuser)
Lose a little weight (maybe from seats, NAV items, and other lux items)
Bump in power (at least 15ish)
Tight suspension with modest drop
6 SPEED!!!! (they have the starting points from the last Sentra SE-R's 6 speed???)

$40-43k pricetag

Car must make it 60 in under 5.5 secs and a sub 14 quarter to help with it's press.

 

Their plan is to beat it with the Pulsar NISMO but that car will not be coming stateside.

 

$60K for a Maxima is beyond stupid. That is just below the price of a M3, C63 AMG and CTS-V ($62-72K for these)
The S4 is like $50K.

I agree with this.
If they make a NISMO maxima, I believe they need to do the following to it.
Performance stuff
Shave some weight (curb weight is 3550) to around 3400-3450.
Increase power (290hp) drop in a 3.7L at around 320hp.
I would like a 6sp stick, but a 6/7sp auto with manual shift would be fine (**** CVT)
Sports tune suspension (struts/shocks, sway bar ect)
Better braking system
Visual stuff
The 19" rays from the nismo 370Z.
Carbon fiber front diffuser, rear spoiler lip, and side skirts (this should also increase downforce)



Looking at a 370z and nismo, the price increase from $30K (base) to $33.5K (sport) to $42K (base nismo) to $45.5K (tech nismo).
The maxima is $31.3K (base) to $36.4K (SV sport).
A NISMO maxima should be around $45K to be marketable and sellable.

Current maxima (2013) did 0-60 in 5.8 and a 1/4 in 14.3. This nismo should be around 5sec 0-60 and 13.7 1/4mi.

 

that sounds good but i doubt they'd have wider wheels in the front despite it being fwd if anything all wheels would be 19x9 at most and it probably wouldn't lose any weight at all but i'd guess power could be at 320 with a sport exhaust and intake maybe and slight tuning, you'd be correct with the suspension though the current set up sounds way better than the last sport and they could toss in the 6 speed from the altima 3.5 coupe which i think would be better than from the sentra you mentioned... just upgrade it a little and it'll be good... i cant wait to see what comes of this

 

8th gen is 300hp now. And the current 3.7L won't work, wasn't designed for transverse applications. I think bumping the power to 320 with the newly revised 3.5L wouldn't be a stretch.

 

i didn't mean the current 3.7, but take the 3.5 and make it a 3.7.

As for the 290hp v 300hp, i was using the 2014 specs as the 2016 isn't for sale yet. And all the specs of the 2016 were not on nissanusa.

 

http://www.nissanusa.com/cars/2016-m...ersions-specs/

 

FFS, that would not come up for me at all when I was looking at the specs on there. I had very basic. Let me redo my specs for a Nismo. Thanks for the link.

 

Red is based off 2016 specs I now have.

 

What if they just improved the Gen 8 Maxima and made it geared towards epic driving experience?

-- improve chassis even further geared towards track racing
-- reduce weight even further
-- get rid of unneeded tech gadgets, who needs rear backup sensors and such
-- add manual or something other than CVT
-- suspension

 

Pretty hardcore maxima, like a z/28 radio is optional and it comes with one speaker.

I like the wants so far, and even the specs and pricing details, some comments like this one above made me think where I draw the line for sacrificing certain things in a Nismo Maxima. We already lost the panoramic roof in the SR.

 

A Nismo version would be good for the image much as the Viper drew interest for Chrysler. How about a realistic and affordable one based on the S model?

Not going to happen, imo. But, if it does, it will have to be realistic. Nissan is NOT going to build a new transmission for it or use AWD, so if we are stuck with FWD and CVT.....

1. Nismo headers and exhaust w/ hi flow cats and a nice sounding growl.

2. Beef up CVT parts that have failed under a heavy load and add a bigger trans cooler.

3. Keep it simple with a small supercharger that moves about 4-5 psi along with reduced compression pistons.

4. Retune the ECM and TCM to produce around 360 HP and 320 lbs torque at the flywheel. That may be stretching it for the CVT to handle, so low end torque would need some throttling.

5. Lower the car a modest amount and stiffen the suspension a bit more than the SR... along with bigger brakes. Nothing way out there. Make it a driveable car.


This could be done for around a 11k premium and make it an affordable choice for some buyers at about 43k MRSP.

 

Sorry, but I definitely don't want a Maxima for $60K.

 

Would they really have to make a new tranny? Couldn't they use the 6sp from the 5.5 and 6 gens? It can't be that hard for them to make it bolt up and work. Even beef it up some.
If they just put in a 6sp, they wouldn't need to increase power greatly.

As for the supercharger, I would love this, but I think it should stay N/A.
With a tuned intake and exhaust, and tuned ECM, should be able to bump that 300 up to 325-330hp, and with a 6sp, it would be faster than the CVT and hold up better.

 

You can get an AWD V6 Genesis with 315 HP for 40 something. Just saying.

 

It also weighs 4300lbs+. It is heavy.
It also does 0-60 in 6.4sec, 1/4mi is around 14.7.
Price starts at 41.5K for the AWD.

So you are paying more to have a slower, heavier, thirstier car than the current 2015 maxima.

 

yeah that is. Didn't see that though. I'm not buying that either. lol. My vehicle situation is different than it was 12 years ago, so I'm probably not getting a 4 door next time. So wuteva'


talk to the hand.

 

+2

 

Actually, according to CR reliability tables, the CVT is now as reliable as manuals and automatics, and if Nissan has removed the damping off the line that bothered the 7th gen, then the CVT will accelerate faster than the 6 speed auto or 6 speed manual, and be more fuel efficient.

The preference for trannies other than the CVT should be based on one factor - they are more fun to drive for some folks.

 

I don't think this will come to fruition. The CAFE crap is killing fun production cars. That being said...


I would be cool with a 6 speed gearbox.


A got damn clutch pedal.


Ditch the damn sunroof.


Maybe a syncro rev function like the 370Z.


$60k is real sports sedan money. Build something that makes me tingle when I hit the onramp. Not an overblown camry with lots of LED blinky things. 4DSC implies something fun. Not a space boat. Cadillac has that covered.

 

Not even the NISMO JUKE is available with a moonroof. FWIW if Nissan does do a NISMO Maxima I'd expect there to be no moonroof. IMO the SR definitely should have been made available with a moonroof because as others have pointed out, despite all of the 4DSC hype from Nissan, this is a "sporty" 4 door sedan at best that would likely get it's *** handed to it in a straight line by an SHO. Not only that, but up until the Maxima the "SR" designation has strictly been an appearance package on other models (the Note and the Sentra), so why all hardcore with the moonroof delete on the Maxima all of a sudden?

I think we'll see Nissan back off the 4DSC hype in a year or two and my bet is that by 2018 the SR model has a moonroof.

 

You are of course correct that, although the Juke SV and SL have power moonroofs, the more expensive NISMO Juke has no roof opening. This is in keeping with what you think will happen to the Maxima - a power moonroof on the SR in '18, but no roof opening should we get a true NISMO Maxima. It would probably have a strong body structure, manual or auto tranny with paddles, more power, maybe wide 35 profile tires, and will be nearer to a true sports car.

I can't disagree with anything in your post.

 

If I am buying Genesis, then I am not into sportiness, I am into a luxury cruiser, if I am buying a sport sedan, I wouldn't buying Maxima, I would buy Q50.

 

Did you forget a not?

Also, isn't this thread about how to make the maxima sportier, not luxurier?

 

Sorry, I meant "If I am buying Genesis, then I am not into sportiness, I am into a luxury cruiser".

 

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Also, isn't this thread about how to make the maxima sportier, not luxurier?[/QUOTE]

Yes, specifically "what do we want in a Nismo version of a Maxima", according to Nissan the maxima Nismo is under consideration.

After reading all of our posts we seem to have agreed in a few things. Lighter, more powerful an average of about 40k +, a smudge faster and more involved driving "most want a manual".

I may add apearance , ie BBK minimum up front .

 

Actually the NISMO JUKE is priced between the SV and the SL, it's the RS that's priced at the top of the range. With the Maxima, a NISMO model would likely be placed at the top of the range if not just below the Platinum.

 

I absolutely agree with you that the Genesis is more a luxury cruiser, and is certainly not to be mistaken for a 4DSC.

I also agree that, in theory, the Q50 (which looks good) would have been a more sportsy car than the Maxima, except for a failure in engineering design, execution and quality control. Here is Consumer Reports' take on the Q50:

'Though the Q50 is quick, an underwhelming driving experience blots out any luxury-sports-sedan pretensions. On the Luxury front, fit and finish, ride comfort and noise insulation aren't up to scratch. Handling is lackluster, mostly because of the dull steering feel. Ride comfort is unsettled and not helped by the stiff-walled run-flat tires. The power train, though punchy, isn't a model of refinement, and fuel economy is among the worst of its peers.

'The cabin is quite roomy, and the rear is hospitable, but the front seat has a short cushion. Even more frustrating is the agonizlingly slow-responding touch-screen interface. First year reliability has been much below average, and it received a low owner-satisfaction score in our survey.'

As we agree, the Q50 should have been nearer to a 4DSC than the Maxima, but Infiniti simply dropped the ball.

To return to the thread, any NISMO Maxima should be a very well designed, thoroughly tested and dependable product, not something hashed together and thrown on the market like the Q50.

 

This is why nissan will delay the production of the Nismo Maxima, the R&D associated with quality, performance, and reliability. The price to pay for a good product. I remember in 2002 when I saw the GTR Proto and it was not for sale until 2007/8 as an example of Nissan being minucious with the details, trying to deliver a good product.